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Ianuus
Australia349 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On January 07 2013 23:08 cecek wrote: I think he's very strong in lanes. Just that after that he doesn't do much. A ganker with no disable is not a good ganker, a carry with no good farming skill or extremely good lategame steroid is not a good carry, etc. And the only thing I said about his lack of damage, is his lack of damage in teamfights, (300 damage single target nuke on a 12s cooldown is shit damage in teamfights, where you need mostly aoe) which is why he's not amazing even in teamfights in the early-midgame, until he gets his farm up, but when he gets his farm up, he gets outfarmed by other carries. And I'm done with silencer here. Don't you think that a global silence would fuck that up ? | ||
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On January 07 2013 23:38 Dattish wrote: I feel like trying 2 necro sylla in a pub sometime, just to see how fast I can throne someone with it. I've done it, it was underwhelming tbh. | ||
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Testuser
6469 Posts
On January 07 2013 23:38 Dattish wrote: I feel like trying 2 necro sylla in a pub sometime, just to see how fast I can throne someone with it. If you want to throne fast then I can recommend Lycan Necro/AC - that hurts quite a bit... I had a game a month or so back where my team where idiots, so I decided to let the opponent team clean our rax while I just went for throne ... we actually ended up winning because lycan is such a beast pusher ... | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 07 2013 23:38 Dattish wrote: I feel like trying 2 necro sylla in a pub sometime, just to see how fast I can throne someone with it. Wouldn't you throne faster with rapiers because of demolish? | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On January 07 2013 23:48 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Wouldn't you throne faster with rapiers because of demolish? Or just ac/deso. Dunno if demolish bonus isnt just on base damage ~~ | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On January 07 2013 23:53 Erasme wrote: Or just ac/deso. Dunno if demolish bonus isnt just on base damage ~~ It's not. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 07 2013 23:53 Erasme wrote: Or just ac/deso. Dunno if demolish bonus isnt just on base damage ~~ Demolish is applied to all damage. Without any attack speed items, rapier isn't actually that much better than necronomicon (if at all, it's really close). Deso is likely best regardless just because armor reduction is that good unless you're talking about using a naked bear. Unless dota has custom coding for it, demolish is all damage on wc3. I don't think this is actually possible though so ^_^ | ||
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njt7
Sweden769 Posts
^Is a replay. It is not a fast throne or a good game(watch out for noobs) but I think it shows how good stygian is at killing thrones. Just watch the last 2 minutes its pretty funny. | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 08 2013 00:58 cilinder007 wrote: I dont understand how necro can be better at killing buildings than a rapier bear with the demolish bonus dmg, I would like to see some math behind that The necro units attack much faster than the bear. BAT of the spirit bear is 1.45 while the necro units are .75 melee and 1 ranged. I haven't actually done the math on it, but they should be comparable damage if you look at the items in isolation. I'm also counting on the 9% endurance aura for all four units. Demolish in dota is only 40% bonus damage. If it was 200% bonus damage like it is on ladder ^_^ | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On January 08 2013 01:08 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: The necro units attack much faster than the bear. BAT of the spirit bear is 1.45 while the necro units are .75 melee and 1 ranged. I haven't actually done the math on it, but they should be comparable damage if you look at the items in isolation. I'm also counting on the 9% endurance aura for all four units. Demolish in dota is only 40% bonus damage. If it was 200% bonus damage like it is on ladder ^_^ but rabid is 40 bonus atackspeed and the necro units hit for like 50 dmg while the bear hits for like 420 with a naked rapier | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 08 2013 02:10 cilinder007 wrote: but rabid is 40 bonus atackspeed and the necro units hit for like 50 dmg while the bear hits for like 420 with a naked rapier You might want to double check how much damage the necro units do. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
and i discovered that when your hero die, your bear drop the rapier. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On January 08 2013 02:35 PassiveAce wrote: I saw admiral bulldog do a rapier rush build on his bear, getting it at around 20 min. As long as you play very safe you can absolutely melt towers. Killing the bear drops the rapier, correct? | ||
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