| Forum Index > Dota 2 General |
IRC chatter should remain in IRC - http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=tl.dota2 Posts that relate to topics with their own thread, such as in News, Tournaments or Strategy should go in those threads. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 05 2013 04:45 aintz wrote: yep some other spells linger like that too, it is very stupid. Weaver's Time Lapse tracks time back before you died, so you can buyback and Time Lapse back into a fight. | ||
|
Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On January 05 2013 05:11 FinestHour wrote: does jungle batrider really need a guide? just stack easy camp then stack hard camp then kill stuff with napalm and fire and get tranq bottle blink at like 10 min I guess the hardest part is knowing how to hit level 2. Firefly level 1, or napalm? Do you need to bottle crow as well? | ||
|
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 05 2013 05:33 Comeh wrote: I guess the hardest part is knowing how to hit level 2. Firefly level 1, or napalm? Do you need to bottle crow as well? Bottle-crow lets you go faster since you don't have issues with running out of mana that way. Firefly vs. Napalm level 1 doesn't really matter because you're going to pull until level 2 anyway. | ||
|
IPA
United States3206 Posts
For instance, we're never going to see Treant in a serious match. We're never going to see Skel King, Ogre, Witch Doctor or Visage in a G-League or International final. We rarely (if ever) see Omni, Weaver, etc, etc. The reason for their spare usage is (usually) that other heroes simply do the things they do better. Or do multiple things better. Do you think IceFrog *wants* to balance these never-seen heroes so that they are used in top-level competitive play? Or, at the end of the day, are some of them just always going to be "fun pub experiments"? | ||
|
Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On January 05 2013 05:39 IPA wrote: I have a question for long time dotaheads regarding IceFrog's competitive intentions. Do you think he has any interest in balancing characters who are virtually never seen at the highest level? Or does he just think "well, some of these heroes are just going to be used in pubs for fun"? For instance, we're never going to see Treant in a serious match. We're never going to see Skel King, Ogre, Witch Doctor or Visage in a G-League or International final. We rarely (if ever) see Omni, Weaver, etc, etc. The reason for their spare usage is (usually) that other heroes simply do the things they do better. Or do multiple things better. Do you think IceFrog *wants* to balance these never-seen heroes so that they are used in top-level competitive play? Or, at the end of the day, are some of them just always going to be "fun pub experiments"? Picks change over time, be it due to patches or more hard to pin down trends. For example, not too long before DotA 2 came around, WD, Visage and Weaver were all staple picks in the competitive scene. I don't know for sure what IceFrog's exact philosophy is, but I could imagine he tries to encourage variety. | ||
|
Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On January 05 2013 05:33 TheYango wrote: Weaver's Time Lapse tracks time back before you died, so you can buyback and Time Lapse back into a fight. What happens if you Time Lapse back to a time you were dead? Say you wait 3 seconds while dead, buy-back, wait 3 more seconds, and then Time Lapse. Does Time Lapse kill you? Or does it reset you to 2 seconds before you died, meaning it doesn't track time while you're dead? | ||
|
Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On January 05 2013 05:39 IPA wrote: I have a question for long time dotaheads regarding IceFrog's competitive intentions. Do you think he has any interest in balancing characters who are virtually never seen at the highest level? Or does he just think "well, some of these heroes are just going to be used in pubs for fun"? For instance, we're never going to see Treant in a serious match. We're never going to see Skel King, Ogre, Witch Doctor or Visage in a G-League or International final. We rarely (if ever) see Omni, Weaver, etc, etc. The reason for their spare usage is (usually) that other heroes simply do the things they do better. Or do multiple things better. Do you think IceFrog *wants* to balance these never-seen heroes so that they are used in top-level competitive play? Or, at the end of the day, are some of them just always going to be "fun pub experiments"? All of the heroes you've mentioned have been seen in serious matches at one point or another, many being first pick/first ban status at one point (visage, weaver, omni) . Treant is being constantly reworked, most people think icefrog is just desperate to get him to competitive status. The only fun pub experiment hero is slark. If meepo's earthbind still went through bkb he would probably be picked. | ||
|
Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On January 05 2013 05:39 IPA wrote: I have a question for long time dotaheads regarding IceFrog's competitive intentions. Do you think he has any interest in balancing characters who are virtually never seen at the highest level? Or does he just think "well, some of these heroes are just going to be used in pubs for fun"? For instance, we're never going to see Treant in a serious match. We're never going to see Skel King, Ogre, Witch Doctor or Visage in a G-League or International final. We rarely (if ever) see Omni, Weaver, etc, etc. The reason for their spare usage is (usually) that other heroes simply do the things they do better. Or do multiple things better. Do you think IceFrog *wants* to balance these never-seen heroes so that they are used in top-level competitive play? Or, at the end of the day, are some of them just always going to be "fun pub experiments"? Well, in the case of Treant, you can see he is *trying* to make him competitively viable. What generally happens with most heroes is that he will continually make small buffs to heroes that aren't seen in competitive play often and over and over and over until they are finally picked often. For example, I think its only a few small mechanics that stop treant from being picked often (and some damage on his ult). He usually only nerfs heroes heavily that are banned a lot, and usually he doesn't morphling them. ...I miss morphling. | ||
|
Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
On January 05 2013 05:33 TheYango wrote: Weaver's Time Lapse tracks time back before you died, so you can buyback and Time Lapse back into a fight. Wasn't that fixed quite a while back? | ||
|
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's still on the list of known bugs. If it's fixed, someone forgot to remove it. | ||
|
konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
PL is the ultimate pub destroyer, rushing tranquil + ring of basilius into diffusal, radiance then manta/heart/bfly whatever. farms so fast, pushes so fast. <3 i think i found my third favourite hero (after rubick and invoker) | ||
|
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On January 05 2013 05:34 TheYango wrote: Bottle-crow lets you go faster since you don't have issues with running out of mana that way. Firefly vs. Napalm level 1 doesn't really matter because you're going to pull until level 2 anyway. The simplest solution is ask nicely that you need lvl2 from whoever on safelane (and then you promise to gtfo right away). | ||
|
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 05 2013 05:56 konadora wrote: holy shit, i didn't think that the new agi gain on PL will be this good. PL is the ultimate pub destroyer, rushing tranquil + ring of basilius into diffusal, radiance then manta/heart/bfly whatever. farms so fast, pushes so fast. <3 i think i found my third favourite hero (after rubick and invoker) If you're not getting Radiance first as a farming item, it's not really compelling to get Radiance at all. | ||
|
cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On January 05 2013 05:56 BurningSera wrote: The simplest solution is ask nicely that you need lvl2 from whoever on safelane (and then you promise to gtfo right away). or you can just firefly and kill the easy camp untill you get lvl 2 | ||
|
Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
Soo, i heard you guys like black holes. | ||
|
Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
On January 05 2013 05:56 konadora wrote: holy shit, i didn't think that the new agi gain on PL will be this good. PL is the ultimate pub destroyer, rushing tranquil + ring of basilius into diffusal, radiance then manta/heart/bfly whatever. farms so fast, pushes so fast. <3 i think i found my third favourite hero (after rubick and invoker) Play more Nyx. | ||
|
PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
| ||
|
LazyFailKid
Canada750 Posts
On January 05 2013 06:02 Unleashing wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz_HbruEFio Soo, i heard you guys like black holes. The minions charging for the base after the last black hole looked so epic lol | ||
|
konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
On January 05 2013 06:01 TheYango wrote: If you're not getting Radiance first as a farming item, it's not really compelling to get Radiance at all. my starting items are 2x ring of protection and a quelling blade, i usually farm a tranquil boots fast enough to not warrant a regen item unless i feel they're gonna offlane a ranged, then i just get qb later. farms pretty damn well with qb + diffusal as mentioned above | ||
|
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 05 2013 06:01 cilinder007 wrote: or you can just firefly and kill the easy camp untill you get lvl 2 Or just pull the easy camp. Firefly requires you to expend a lot of mana, and while Bottle-crowing solves your mana issues, it's troublesome for your laners if you have to tie up the courier that early. | ||
| ||
StarCraft 2 StarCraft: Brood War League of Legends Counter-Strike Heroes of the Storm Other Games |
|
Sparkling Tuna Cup
Afreeca Starleague
Monday Night Weeklies
GSL
OSC
PiGosaur Cup
Kung Fu Cup
Replay Cast
The PondCast
IntoTheTV X SOOP
[ Show More ] |
|
|
EPT
