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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
January 02 2013 19:41 GMT
#35521
Aquila and Drums are for early to midgame fighting, where Luna shines

early HOTD is for farming, and I might aswell play an AM then.
WriterXiao8~~
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
January 02 2013 19:51 GMT
#35522
MoM Luna is best luna. Clear camps AND fight enemies at the speed of light.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Cocacooh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1510 Posts
January 02 2013 19:52 GMT
#35523
steam dead for anyone else?
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
January 02 2013 19:52 GMT
#35524
Confirm dead
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
January 02 2013 19:53 GMT
#35525
On January 03 2013 04:52 Qbek wrote:
Confirm dead

and alive again!
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
January 02 2013 19:54 GMT
#35526
On January 03 2013 04:51 Unleashing wrote:
MoM Luna is best luna. Clear camps AND fight enemies at the speed of light.


I played a game where PA rushed MoM and raped the other team...
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
January 02 2013 19:55 GMT
#35527
I've seen a game where treads & MoM Tide was owning faces
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
RolleMcKnolle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany1054 Posts
January 02 2013 19:56 GMT
#35528
On January 03 2013 04:53 ragnorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 04:52 Qbek wrote:
Confirm dead

and alive again!

still dead for me
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
January 02 2013 19:56 GMT
#35529
I've been carried by a solo mid desolator Kotl.
akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
January 02 2013 20:23 GMT
#35530
On January 03 2013 04:56 SKC wrote:
I've been carried by a solo mid desolator Kotl.

Needs more Shadowblade. Or Shadowblade + Mek. Nobody expects the invisible heal!
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
January 02 2013 20:28 GMT
#35531
The best PA I've ever seen went Armlet-->MoM and raped face. My standard build with BF doesn't compare lol.
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
January 02 2013 20:34 GMT
#35532
On January 03 2013 05:28 ChrisXIV wrote:
The best PA I've ever seen went Armlet-->MoM and raped face. My standard build with BF doesn't compare lol.

Armlet is really underrated even on agi carries. A "free" 475 health to juke your heart off (provided you time it right)? Yes please. 40 damage and 25 attack speed? Very nice! And 5 armor and some regen when deactivated as the icing on top of the cake. Oh, lets not forget the awesome buildup, a Helm of Iron Will makes you almost unharassable when coupled with a stout. All that for 2.6k gold.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 20:40:18
January 02 2013 20:38 GMT
#35533
I wouldn't say it's underrated. It's by and large a pub item because outside of a few heroes, it's not a "safe" item choice (heavily slated toward damage rather than utility/survivability like Manta/BKB, requires good armlet juke use to be worth it, which is harder against coordinated teams that save disables/burst), and for the most part, carries in competitive games will opt for safer item choices.

In pub games, I see it often enough.
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akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
January 02 2013 20:58 GMT
#35534
Because the second really crucial component of Armlet is the buildup and cheap cost. In comp play the carry is provided space to farm his first big item(s) by the supports. It is like an economic opening: you need good awareness and intuition to pull it off, but when you do it pays off greatly. Unlike Starcraft though, here the supports provide all the needed awareness with clever warding and ganks to pull the focus away from their free farming carry. You mention Manta (5k) and BKB (3.9k), yet an Armlet costs only slightly more than an Ultimate Orb while having smaller pieces (so you can actually get them even if you are under pressure and can't farm efficiently, and you can't most of the time because you cannot fully rely on random people).

I'd go as far as saying going BKB/Manta/etc first is less safe. 10 minutes in would you rather have an Armlet or an Ultimate orb/ogre club + hammer if you have minimal to none ward coverage?
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
January 02 2013 21:01 GMT
#35535
On January 03 2013 05:23 akatama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 04:56 SKC wrote:
I've been carried by a solo mid desolator Kotl.

Needs more Shadowblade. Or Shadowblade + Mek. Nobody expects the invisible heal!

He actually had Lothars. Not Mek though.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 21:05:41
January 02 2013 21:03 GMT
#35536
Which agility carry would you go 10 minute armrlet on? Because it'd not be better than the current 'standard items' for any of the commonly picked agility carries that are currently used in competitive play.

Armlet isn't underrated on agility carries, it's just not really the best option for them. Coordinated teams wont allow you to fight them and repeatedly armlet toggle. And most of the heroes where armlet IS built you either build lifesteal or they have built in lifesteal or a way to regain health already(Exception being CK, due to how the item works with his ulti).
A hero like n'aix builds it because he can sustain the constant damage you recieve from having the item activated(Ontop of benefitting greatly from all the stats, like recieving bonus damage from strenght).
Outside of maybe juggernaut with a healing ward barely any agility carries have something to compensate for the constant damage armlet deals to you.

AM? No real synergy.
Void? No real synergy.
Naga? I guess her illusions do benefit from the active, but they're super squishy already so that small amount of bonus HP wont really benefit them all that much.
TA? No real synergy either.
Luna? No real synergy either.
And so on.

It's not that it's bad, there are just seriously better item choices for an agility carry.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
January 02 2013 21:16 GMT
#35537
I don't think I have ever seen Armlet on an Agi hero in my games. Must be some weird trolls you guys are playing with, even PT and bracer stacking Centaurs are more common.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 21:19:24
January 02 2013 21:18 GMT
#35538
If we're talking about the ~2500 gold price range, then Armlet is also competing with stuff like Aquila+Janggo, which have the benefit of both being aura items, making Aquila+Janggo much more powerful in early teamfights on non-Strength carries, and having EVEN BETTER buildup than Armlet.

On January 03 2013 06:16 blahz0r wrote:
I don't think I have ever seen Armlet on an Agi hero in my games. Must be some weird trolls you guys are playing with, even PT and bracer stacking Centaurs are more common.

You've never seen Armlet Sniper?

That's the stuff Wodota Top 10s are made of.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
January 02 2013 21:19 GMT
#35539
I've seen armlet on quite a few agi carries on my smurf. Last one I remember was an armlet PA.
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 21:21:23
January 02 2013 21:20 GMT
#35540
Armlet, euls, forcestaff, blink, boots of travel and ghost scepter/e-blade is viable build on any and all heroes. As long as you make sure to be wodota material.
Just like that one SF clip, can anyone find it?
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