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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
January 02 2013 15:27 GMT
#35481
Situational. Usually BKB unless there is absolutely nothing that interrupts your black hole.
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SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 15:35:23
January 02 2013 15:35 GMT
#35482
nvm
NeoSlicerZ
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland470 Posts
January 02 2013 15:46 GMT
#35483
On January 03 2013 00:19 trinxified wrote:
What is the "proper/best" way to build Luna nowadays?

Tranqs -> Aquila -> Drums -> BKB -> HotD -> Agh's/Manta

I skip Drums sometimes, but honestly I don't know what's the best build. How about Shadow Blade? I figure I should get that if I don't Midas since I need some attack speed.

I'm not a fan of the early HotD build and do ancient stacking. In pubs, I want to participate in mid-game battles, to avoid flaming.


Tranqs are usually a a given if you don't super early HotD for ancient stacking. I'm not a fan of either sblade or midas on luna. I aquila+drums into bkb if opponent has a heavy disable/magic damage line up and my team isn't doing super well so I'm going to have to fight a lot early.. If it's a bit more farming orientated game and I'm not overly concerned with getting burst down by magic.
I like aquila into yasha, hotd manta (particularly vs naix). Usually though you're going to have to do something like aquila into bkb because in a pub game the coordination won't be there to save you if you get initiated on. There's a LOT of ways to build luna. I tend to skip manta a lot too if I go aquila into bkb, usually just hotd into bfly then satanic. I don't think you can pigeon hole her into a specific build, it's too dependent on lineups.
However general rule of thumb is probably tranqs -> aquila -> yasha -> bkb -> manta/dom -> bfly -> satanic -> luxury items (I like crit).
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
January 02 2013 15:59 GMT
#35484
On January 03 2013 00:19 trinxified wrote:
What is the "proper/best" way to build Luna nowadays?

Tranqs -> Aquila -> Drums -> BKB -> HotD -> Agh's/Manta

I skip Drums sometimes, but honestly I don't know what's the best build. How about Shadow Blade? I figure I should get that if I don't Midas since I need some attack speed.

I'm not a fan of the early HotD build and do ancient stacking. In pubs, I want to participate in mid-game battles, to avoid flaming.

Firstly do whatever is best, regardless of what you'll get flamed for.
The popular build at the moment seems to be
Tranqs -> Whatever combination of wans/aquila/drums you think is desirable -> BKB/Manta (BKB being the safer choice in most scenarios) -> Manta/BKB -> Bfly

Early HotD for stacking and farming can be great, but you need to consider how much you'll be needed in fights, also consider getting treads if you're rushing HotD. But the tranq build still farms quite well just due to Luna passives, while giving a lot of bang for the buck in terms of fights in addition to having a really comfortable buildup.
I'm not a huge fan of aghs due to how strong a carry Luna is with proper items, and since Luna ulti is a very opportunistic ability it's not the most stable build.
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 16:21:40
January 02 2013 16:16 GMT
#35485
The current 'metagame' at a top level doesn't really make a lot of room for HotD stacking ATM. Which is why tranqs are popular, gives her the regen she needs.

Also:

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[image loading]Credit to R @ /d2g/
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 16:22:56
January 02 2013 16:22 GMT
#35486
On January 03 2013 01:16 Unleashing wrote:
The current 'metagame' at a top level doesn't really make a lot of room for HotD stacking ATM. Which is why tranqs are popular, gives her the regen she needs.

Also:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]Credit to R @ /d2g/


And the movespeed boost to chase down noobs with the nuke even faster, or to keep up with her ult after casting
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
January 02 2013 16:31 GMT
#35487
On January 03 2013 00:19 trinxified wrote:
What is the "proper/best" way to build Luna nowadays?

Tranqs -> Aquila -> Drums -> BKB -> HotD -> Agh's/Manta

I skip Drums sometimes, but honestly I don't know what's the best build. How about Shadow Blade? I figure I should get that if I don't Midas since I need some attack speed.

I'm not a fan of the early HotD build and do ancient stacking. In pubs, I want to participate in mid-game battles, to avoid flaming.

Your item progression is a bit awkward and redundant. The idea of HotD is to get it early for ancient stacking&regen, I'd avoid getting it when you open with Tranquils -> Aquila/Drums.

Something along the lines of Tranqs -> Aquila and/or Drums -> BKB with a Yasha squeezed in before or after BKB is pretty solid. From then on strong items depending on the game are things like Butterfly, HotD -> Satanic, situational MKB, etc - usual agi stuff.

Shadowblade is more of an item to squeeze in before your BKB if the game allows for it, I don't think it's that great of an idea once you have your BKB up since that's around the time where the game should be more about 5n5s than small skirmishes.
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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
January 02 2013 16:36 GMT
#35488
tranquil boots are broken, needs nerf.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
January 02 2013 16:38 GMT
#35489
On January 03 2013 01:36 aintz wrote:
tranquil boots are broken, needs nerf.

They only need 3 hits to be broken
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
January 02 2013 16:42 GMT
#35490
You don't lose gold from suiciding to neutrals right?
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
January 02 2013 16:44 GMT
#35491
Yes you do.
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
January 02 2013 16:47 GMT
#35492
You always lose gold from dying unless you have no unreliable gold left.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 02 2013 17:08 GMT
#35493
I wished Dota 2 showed GPM in-game rather than at the end ): In HoN you could always check
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Nisyax
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Netherlands756 Posts
January 02 2013 17:11 GMT
#35494
On January 03 2013 01:47 Unleashing wrote:
You always lose gold from dying unless you have no unreliable gold left.


Or u have a bazillion bloodstone charges.
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
January 02 2013 17:30 GMT
#35495
On January 03 2013 02:08 Torte de Lini wrote:
I wished Dota 2 showed GPM in-game rather than at the end ): In HoN you could always check


whats the point to see your gpm ingame?
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 17:51:18
January 02 2013 17:46 GMT
#35496
On January 03 2013 02:30 aintz wrote:
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On January 03 2013 02:08 Torte de Lini wrote:
I wished Dota 2 showed GPM in-game rather than at the end ): In HoN you could always check


whats the point to see your gpm ingame?

I guess it's just neat information for some people.
I too do not see the point of it though. Not that i'd mind if it was added, i just don't have any use for it myself.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 02 2013 18:19 GMT
#35497
playing on a smurf with admiral's smurf. Hes not playing ld, were getting raped. lmao
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Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 18:21:02
January 02 2013 18:19 GMT
#35498
On January 03 2013 00:19 trinxified wrote:
What is the "proper/best" way to build Luna nowadays?

Tranqs -> Aquila -> Drums -> BKB -> HotD -> Agh's/Manta

I skip Drums sometimes, but honestly I don't know what's the best build. How about Shadow Blade? I figure I should get that if I don't Midas since I need some attack speed.

I'm not a fan of the early HotD build and do ancient stacking. In pubs, I want to participate in mid-game battles, to avoid flaming.

I see no reason to get agh. It's 4.2k for some decent stats, but those 4.2k could be your satanic if you need survivability or a decent part of your butterfly if you're looking for damage.

Shadow Blade I wouldn't get. If you want ias then just get the manta up earlier imo or aim for mkb I'd say. or yea, just get your quarterstaff up for the butterfly early.

Also, getting hotd and stacking ancients is actually good even in pubs. You can still participate in the early fights (I assume you get an early hotd and not + 12 min or so), and you only need 1 min to clear the ancients at a later stage, so you're not really wasting any time. I mean, that's the idea behind getting the hotd and doing it, lol, that you're not yourself wasting time.

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Autotroph
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom940 Posts
January 02 2013 18:22 GMT
#35499
On January 02 2013 10:40 rabidch wrote:
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On January 02 2013 09:56 ViZe wrote:
It's not like DotA is a game of absolutes anyway. In some situations one thing might be better than another that is good in another. IE linkens medusa vs battlefury medusa. Battlefury sounds retarded in most situations but it will be well worth it when the passive of linkens is not often used against the enemy team

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.


That itself is an absolute so Obi Wan must be a Sith aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
January 02 2013 18:29 GMT
#35500
only if obi wan was smart enough to join count dooku and overthrow the emperor. obi wan wouldve been an excellent sith lord.
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