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On January 03 2013 01:22 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 01:16 Unleashing wrote:The current 'metagame' at a top level doesn't really make a lot of room for HotD stacking ATM. Which is why tranqs are popular, gives her the regen she needs. Also: + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i45.tinypic.com/2d1jrps.jpg) Credit to R @ /d2g/ And the movespeed boost to chase down noobs with the nuke even faster, or to keep up with her ult after casting
I personally dont go hotd until the late late game where i make satanic in one go.
Transq+drum+Magic wand+manta/bkb(usually both needed but depends on situations of getting which one first) and reaver. Strangely i never feel like i need a Aquila.
Sometimes i even go for heart AND then a satanic. Hotd doesnt work worth it at all if no one stacked ancients for you, which is impossible in pub anyway.
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On January 03 2013 03:30 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 01:22 trinxified wrote:On January 03 2013 01:16 Unleashing wrote:The current 'metagame' at a top level doesn't really make a lot of room for HotD stacking ATM. Which is why tranqs are popular, gives her the regen she needs. Also: + Show Spoiler +Credit to R @ /d2g/ And the movespeed boost to chase down noobs with the nuke even faster, or to keep up with her ult after casting I personally dont go hotd until the late late game where i make satanic in one go. Transq+drum+Magic wand+manta/bkb(both needed but depends on situations of getting which one first) and reaver. Strangely i never feel like i need a Aquila. Sometimes i go heart AND then a satanic. Hotd doesnt work worth it at all if no one stacked ancients for you, which is impossible in pub anyway.
so you're one of those useless lunas that do no damage and have a bunch of hp?
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On January 03 2013 03:30 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 01:22 trinxified wrote:On January 03 2013 01:16 Unleashing wrote:The current 'metagame' at a top level doesn't really make a lot of room for HotD stacking ATM. Which is why tranqs are popular, gives her the regen she needs. Also: + Show Spoiler +Credit to R @ /d2g/ And the movespeed boost to chase down noobs with the nuke even faster, or to keep up with her ult after casting I personally dont go hotd until the late late game where i make satanic in one go. Transq+drum+Magic wand+manta/bkb(usually both needed but depends on situations of getting which one first) and reaver. Strangely i never feel like i need a Aquila. Sometimes i even go for heart AND then a satanic. Hotd doesnt work worth it at all if no one stacked ancients for you, which is impossible in pub anyway.
No need of Aquila usually means you're not using your nuke/ult often enough.
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On January 03 2013 03:30 BurningSera wrote:
Sometimes i even go for heart AND then a satanic. Hotd doesnt work worth it at all if no one stacked ancients for you, which is impossible in pub anyway.
Honestly, if you're at the point where you have one of Heart or Satanic, Butterfly probably adds so much survivability that the other isn't worth getting at that point (evasion scales EHP multiplicatively with HP/Strength, while more HP only scales additively).
Only time I'd get both is if the enemy have no physical damage carry, in which case it probably doesn't even matter what you buy as your 6th item because getting to 6th item at all is generally going to be a win vs. a no-carry comp. If they have a carry, then the Butterfly evasion makes it a bigger deal than the additional HP.
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On January 03 2013 03:42 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 03:30 BurningSera wrote:
Sometimes i even go for heart AND then a satanic. Hotd doesnt work worth it at all if no one stacked ancients for you, which is impossible in pub anyway. Honestly, if you're at the point where you have one of Heart or Satanic, Butterfly probably adds so much survivability that the other isn't worth getting at that point (evasion scales EHP multiplicatively with HP/Strength, while more HP only scales additively). Only time I'd get both is if the enemy have no physical damage carry, in which case it probably doesn't even matter what you buy as your 6th item because getting to 6th item at all is generally going to be a win vs. a no-carry comp. If they have a carry, then the Butterfly evasion makes it a bigger deal than the additional HP.
Go Skadi as the 6th item ftw.
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On January 03 2013 03:35 aintz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 03:30 BurningSera wrote:On January 03 2013 01:22 trinxified wrote:On January 03 2013 01:16 Unleashing wrote:The current 'metagame' at a top level doesn't really make a lot of room for HotD stacking ATM. Which is why tranqs are popular, gives her the regen she needs. Also: + Show Spoiler +Credit to R @ /d2g/ And the movespeed boost to chase down noobs with the nuke even faster, or to keep up with her ult after casting I personally dont go hotd until the late late game where i make satanic in one go. Transq+drum+Magic wand+manta/bkb(both needed but depends on situations of getting which one first) and reaver. Strangely i never feel like i need a Aquila. Sometimes i go heart AND then a satanic. Hotd doesnt work worth it at all if no one stacked ancients for you, which is impossible in pub anyway. so you're one of those useless lunas that do no damage and have a bunch of hp?
Firstly you are attacking me because i have no hotd? hotd gives you nothing on damage output (ya, +20damage is alot). Are you one of those useless lunas who got helm as first item and proceed to go farm nonstop like an AM ignoring the fact that luna's biggest strength lies in early-mid game? Against any decent oppo they will focus you because they know you have pitiful amount of hp.
I am those luna win 90% of my games if my team fight their lives for me and i cannot die in team fight and i kill everyone.
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I assume you're trolling. Don't go Skadi ^_^
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On January 03 2013 03:41 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 03:30 BurningSera wrote:On January 03 2013 01:22 trinxified wrote:On January 03 2013 01:16 Unleashing wrote:The current 'metagame' at a top level doesn't really make a lot of room for HotD stacking ATM. Which is why tranqs are popular, gives her the regen she needs. Also: + Show Spoiler +Credit to R @ /d2g/ And the movespeed boost to chase down noobs with the nuke even faster, or to keep up with her ult after casting I personally dont go hotd until the late late game where i make satanic in one go. Transq+drum+Magic wand+manta/bkb(usually both needed but depends on situations of getting which one first) and reaver. Strangely i never feel like i need a Aquila. Sometimes i even go for heart AND then a satanic. Hotd doesnt work worth it at all if no one stacked ancients for you, which is impossible in pub anyway. No need of Aquila usually means you're not using your nuke/ult often enough.
I almost always with my team since lvl8/9 doing massive pressure on oppo nonstop. Clear the forest while pushing and never use any mana on creep. A magic wand is more than enough in battle.
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On January 03 2013 03:48 BurningSera wrote:
I am those luna win 90% of my games if my team fight their lives for me and i cannot die in team fight and i kill everyone.
Again, at the point where you have one of Heart or Satanic, and are considering the other vs. Butterfly, you probably have so much HP that the evasion adds enough effective HP to make the other not worth it.
EDIT: jesus I can't type
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Sera, i think he attacked you on the lack of butterfly. But yeah it's pretty stupid to think that Luna doesnt have damage with only bkb/manta lmao
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I think the issue was Heart -> Satanic. A full build with only Manta as a damage item really isn't enough imo.
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On January 03 2013 03:42 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 03:30 BurningSera wrote:
Sometimes i even go for heart AND then a satanic. Hotd doesnt work worth it at all if no one stacked ancients for you, which is impossible in pub anyway. Honestly, if you're at the point where you have one of Heart or Satanic, Butterfly probably adds so much survivability that the other isn't worth getting at that point (evasion scales EHP multiplicatively with HP/Strength, while more HP only scales additively). Only time I'd get both is if the enemy have no physical damage carry, in which case it probably doesn't even matter what you buy as your 6th item because getting to 6th item at all is generally going to be a win vs. a no-carry comp. If they have a carry, then the Butterfly evasion makes it a bigger deal than the additional HP.
Forget to mention bfly -_- best 5th/6th item for luna indeed. It really depends on the oppo. Obviously go for bfly if i dont need the hp when i knew my hp is enough for the oppo line up. Another good reason to get Bfly is that you get a huge dps boost so farming a reaver can be done in very short time.
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People i cant type that fast lol and ya i forget to mention blfy like i replied Yango.
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On January 03 2013 03:57 BurningSera wrote:
People i cant type that fast lol and ya i forget to mention luna like i replied Yango.
But you mentioned Luna plenty of times!
Seriously though, the issue is that you are at what, 8 items?
Boots, Drums, Wand, BKB, Manta, Heart, Satanic, Butter.
Even by selling the Drums and Wands you would have to get BoTs as well. It's ussually either Heart or Satanic imo, both seem a little too much, I could think of very few games where it would be worth it.
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Lol Slow down you're swallowing words
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On January 03 2013 03:57 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 03:57 BurningSera wrote:
People i cant type that fast lol and ya i forget to mention luna like i replied Yango. But you mentioned Luna plenty of times!
bfly
/facepalm on my keyboard
Well in all fairness people can use helm to stack ancients for themselves so if you are comfortable with that why not an early helm. But then i feel like you need to hit some specific timing on clearing them otherwise you will be 'dragging' the game and miss some gg timing.
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On January 03 2013 03:57 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 03:57 BurningSera wrote:
People i cant type that fast lol and ya i forget to mention luna like i replied Yango. But you mentioned Luna plenty of times! Seriously though, the issue is that you are at what, 8 items? Boots, Drums, Wand, BKB, Manta, Heart, Satanic, Butter. Even by selling the Drums and Wands you would have to get BoTs as well. It's ussually either Heart or Satanic imo, both seem a little too much, I could think of very few games where it would be worth it.
Is not like that xD it will either be:
DPS luna against oppo line up who couldn't burst down a 2k+ hp luna:
Trans(usually upgrade to PT)+Drum+Manta+Bfly+Helm->Satanic
Bkb is situational.
or Team fight luna:
Trans+Drum+BKB+manta+reaver,
go heart when u need 2.5k+ hp luna to survive long enough in team fight, depends on your team line up and oppo;
go satanic if you short on gold to make bfly and the game will end soon (1/2 team fights)
go blfy if you think more than 2/3 team fights are needed to end the game.
Ofc the reaver can be skipped if you are confident enough that your team can keep you survive when you dont have that hp boost from it.
My idea here is when i play carry i play as safe as possible. I hate throwing my game when these team mates support and play well for me and as a 'Big bro' of the team i will win the game for them.
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so many double posts ..
btw whos liquid_swat ?
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Luna that i see played is mainly Tranquils->HoD->Ogre axe into bkb-> yasha->manta-> Bfly-> Satanic.
Finish game with BoT/Satanic/bfly/manta/bkb/aegis. Heart is wasted on luna IMO because satanic is just to powerful.
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On January 03 2013 03:51 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 03:41 trinxified wrote:On January 03 2013 03:30 BurningSera wrote:On January 03 2013 01:22 trinxified wrote:On January 03 2013 01:16 Unleashing wrote:The current 'metagame' at a top level doesn't really make a lot of room for HotD stacking ATM. Which is why tranqs are popular, gives her the regen she needs. Also: + Show Spoiler +Credit to R @ /d2g/ And the movespeed boost to chase down noobs with the nuke even faster, or to keep up with her ult after casting I personally dont go hotd until the late late game where i make satanic in one go. Transq+drum+Magic wand+manta/bkb(usually both needed but depends on situations of getting which one first) and reaver. Strangely i never feel like i need a Aquila. Sometimes i even go for heart AND then a satanic. Hotd doesnt work worth it at all if no one stacked ancients for you, which is impossible in pub anyway. No need of Aquila usually means you're not using your nuke/ult often enough. I almost always with my team since lvl8/9 doing massive pressure on oppo nonstop. Clear the forest while pushing and never use any mana on creep. A magic wand is more than enough in battle.
Aquila aura actually contributes a fair bit to those early pushes (both to your team and to your creeps). It's often overlooked. You're actually usually the best Basi holder because mid doesn't get it, supports don't want it yet (Boots and some HP items are more important at that point if they even have gold to spend on real items at that point), and only a few hard laners want it.
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