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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On December 14 2012 03:53 Bash wrote: I like how not too long ago I, and most people from what I could see, looked at Tranquils as kind of a shitty item... and now I build them more often than I do treads. I think the +75 movespeed instead of the usual +55 or +60 is an attractive bonus as well. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On December 14 2012 03:53 Bash wrote: I like how not too long ago I, and most people from what I could see, looked at Tranquils as kind of a shitty item... and now I build them more often than I do treads. The only time i looked at tranqs as a 'not optimal' item was before it could be disassembled and was buffed, AKA during 6.73. The second the heal was buffed slightly ontop of the disassembling i fell in love with the item, more or less, it's such a nice item on a lot of heroes now, IMHO. | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On December 14 2012 03:53 Bash wrote: I like how not too long ago I, and most people from what I could see, looked at Tranquils as kind of a shitty item... and now I build them more often than I do treads. when it came out, my friends and I thought 'Oh cool, cheaper upgraded boots, and with that high MS and active it looks perfect for supports but nope, supports still getting arcane and carries/hardlane solos are getting it because of the really good sustain | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On December 14 2012 03:38 IPA wrote: What heroes benefit the most from Tranquils? Is it situational or are there some heroes you should always get them on? I realized I hardly ever (virtually never) buy them but I see some pros or high levels get them at times. Care to offer a refresher on the pros/cons? pretty much every hero that can't heal itself should get tranq, its the best boots pros: cheap, fast, heals you, dissassembleable cons: none | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
Some carry examples, and heroes that often get Tranquil. Phantom Lancer --> Tranq+Soul Ring into Radiance. Luna --> Tranq, drums+aquila. I would get it on majority 4th or 5th supports, Pudge, Axe, Centaur, Meepo, Wisp, occasionally exort Invoker, Batrider, Sylla Bear, occasionally Weaver, Windrunner, and rarely Bounty. Thanks to the disassemble mechanic it's the best all around item in the game. If you're in a side-lane and buying Basil. You can disassemble, pick up RoP, Buy RoR sideshop (forms Tranquil), use Tranquil burst heal, then quickly disassemble and sell RoR for 100% return then pick up Sobi to re-create Basil again. I do this often on Meepo and Windrunner for examples. Damn I can talk a lot about Tranquil boots, HAHA. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On December 14 2012 04:05 Unleashing wrote: You can also double boot on heroes like axe by disassembling between arcanes and tranqs. Kind of funny really. You have to be at a shop to diassemble though, right? | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On December 14 2012 04:12 ahswtini wrote: You have to be at a shop to diassemble though, right? Not in DotA2, can't remember how it'd work in DotA1. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
On December 14 2012 04:12 ahswtini wrote: You have to be at a shop to diassemble though, right? To disassemble an item? No, you can do that anywhere on the map. He's talking about like standing next to a shop (secret in this example) where you disassemble your boots, buy energy booster. This completes Arcane Boots, then use arcane boots to get extra mana, disassemble again and sell Energy Booster for 100% refund, and pick up other components to make your original boots. A little trick you can do to get some benefit, I do this a lot with Tranquils. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
The high movementspeed, the low cost, the cheap active and the fact they only react to hero and tower damage make them really good though. The ability to disassemble let's you transition into other boots later while at most losing ~250 gold by selling the rings. Essentially any hero that doesn´t aim at a certain kind of boots as core can get +25 movementspeed for ~500 more gold. As for phase boots, they´re technically for the +24 damage and the reliable combat mobility. Phasing gives unitwalk and roughly 50 more ms for the duration. Unlike tranqs this will work in the middle of battle. Remember seeing all those progamers doing awesome body blocks? You can´t body block someone with phase boots. And still 50 ms on the press of a button. It´s 16% ms. That´s 1% higher than the active version of drums. 6% higher than yasha, 4& higher than S&Y. Phase boots definitely have their place. It´s kind of a cheap gap closer/gap enhancer before Force Staff/Dagger. edit: I don´t get Ring of Aquila though. On many heroes like I would get a basilius or a wraith band but very seldomly would I get both on the same hero. That´s 10k gold. For an item that doesn´t really do anything. With 1 k I can complete upgrade my boots to any type that´s not Travels, I can get the first piece of most recipes, or a vitbooster. If I need the regen I can get a soulring/medaillon/urn of shadows(sobi mask regen outweighs basilius regen once you have more than 33 intelligence, those 3 items contain a sobi mask) or if I want both regen and armor get a bottle and chainmail. To me it looks like an aquila just delays other better items by 1k gold, which is quite a lot. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On December 14 2012 04:36 unkkz wrote: Any tips for laning against silencer? Convince somebody on your team to come gank him. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 14 2012 04:36 unkkz wrote: Any tips for laning against silencer? silencers level one is only scary if you let it be scary, and he should never have rune control (if mid). | ||
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On December 14 2012 04:15 Slardar wrote: To disassemble an item? No, you can do that anywhere on the map. He's talking about like standing next to a shop (secret in this example) where you disassemble your boots, buy energy booster. This completes Arcane Boots, then use arcane boots to get extra mana, disassemble again and sell Energy Booster for 100% refund, and pick up other components to make your original boots. A little trick you can do to get some benefit, I do this a lot with Tranquils. you don't get 100% refund on items you disassemble, | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 14 2012 04:21 Mataza wrote: If I need the regen I can get a soulring/medaillon/urn of shadows Soul Ring has no combat stats, Medallion and Urn it depends on the hero how practical their respective actives are. Aquila is cost-efficient combat stats, that builds smoothly out of laning items. That's it. But the thing is, there are a lot of carries now that actually do want to contribute to teamfights/pushes early on enough that they want those combat stats immediately rather than necessarily saving for a bigger item. A good example here is Luna. She needs the regen to support her Lucent Beam usage in lane (but Soul Ring is overkill, she doesn't gank enough for Urn to be practical, and Medallion's mix of stats is more awkward/less cost-effective), and she expects to be pushing/teamfighting fairly early (around when she has Aquila+Janggo) rather than farming to her first major item. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On December 14 2012 04:21 Mataza wrote: Agree that tranqils are awesome. It might look weird, because technically they´re not that good, reverting back to simple boots after a couple of hits and all. The high movementspeed, the low cost, the cheap active and the fact they only react to hero and tower damage make them really good though. The ability to disassemble let's you transition into other boots later while at most losing ~250 gold by selling the rings. Essentially any hero that doesn´t aim at a certain kind of boots as core can get +25 movementspeed for ~500 more gold. Tranqs only "break" after 4 instances of damage from player-controlled units (heroes and their summons), and Roshan. Towers, creeps, and neutrals don't count. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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