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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 14 2012 05:56 LAN-f34r wrote: What do you guys think of orchid shredder? Solves your mana problems, gives you more burst, and gives you CC. you waste the damage and attack speed mostly and it doesn't provide much of a large pool, and his int is so low % based regen is pretty bad on him. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 14 2012 05:52 trinxified wrote: Tranqs only "break" after 4 instances of damage from player-controlled units (heroes and their summons), and Roshan. Towers, creeps, and neutrals don't count. 3 instances now. The buff to 4 was reverted in 6.75. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34505 Posts
On December 14 2012 05:55 flamewheel wrote: Green boots are best boots. Classic flamewheel ~ | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
Wat | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Haee
522 Posts
I felt Icefrog added these boots specifically to help supports sustain in lanes but right now.. Meh | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:46 Numy wrote: Luna is a great 5 man dota carry and urn is great for 5 man dota not just ganking. If noone on your team can get it , Luna getting it is fine If noone on your team can get it... Seriously? I'd get it on every other hero before your carry (luna). Luna getting it is Awful :| She doesn't need the Strength, she DOES need the slot, the mana regen is pretty meh, and the heal could easily be a teammate. Its like, "why don't you see luna get a mek? Its a great 5-man dota item..." derp. | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:49 Haee wrote: I honestly think tranquil needs some sort of a nerf because of how much lane sustainability you have for it's price in contrast to the other boot choices. I mean yeah I acknowledge the point of adding them in is to provide that I the first place but as others noted, disassembling them for other options is always a viable option where the other more expensive boot alternatives are not. I felt Icefrog added these boots specifically to help supports sustain in lanes but right now.. Meh Iirc they have been getting small nerfs over the last couple of patches, but I can see where you're coming from, they're definitely quite cheap for what you get. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:49 Haee wrote: I honestly think tranquil needs some sort of a nerf because of how much lane sustainability you have for it's price in contrast to the other boot choices. I mean yeah I acknowledge the point of adding them in is to provide that I the first place but as others noted, disassembling them for other options is always a viable option where the other more expensive boot alternatives are not. I felt Icefrog added these boots specifically to help supports sustain in lanes but right now.. Meh I think Tranquil boots has done more good than harm. The biggest thing is that it's pushed a whole bunch of carries into viability. Previously heroes like Luna or PL simply would not have been deemed suitable for this version, because conventional builds that give them the necessary regen to lane (Phase+HotD Luna, Treads+Vanguard PL) are too expensive and don't give enough combat stats to allow them to thrive in a game that's increasingly being pushed toward the midgame. Tranquil Boots makes playing those heroes possible because they can get the necessary regen simply from upgrading their boots, and gear their items much more toward the combat stats required for them to meet the midgame-centric tempo of the game. The item's design is in line with Icefrog's apparent long-term goal of shortening game length and putting more action into the early-midgame. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
On December 14 2012 05:56 LAN-f34r wrote: What do you guys think of orchid shredder? Solves your mana problems, gives you more burst, and gives you CC. shiva > orchid. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
I don't see orchid being *bad* - but having the slow really really really helps Shredder. He also really needs that armor from shivas  . | ||
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Haee
522 Posts
On December 14 2012 07:02 TheYango wrote: I think Tranquil boots has done more good than harm. The biggest thing is that it's pushed a whole bunch of carries into viability. Previously heroes like Luna or PL simply would not have been deemed suitable for this version, because conventional builds that give them the necessary regen to lane (Phase+HotD Luna, Treads+Vanguard PL) are too expensive and don't give enough combat stats to allow them to thrive in a game that's increasingly being pushed toward the midgame. Tranquil Boots makes playing those heroes possible because they can get the necessary regen simply from upgrading their boots, and gear their items much more toward the combat stats required for them to meet the midgame-centric tempo of the game. The item's design is in line with Icefrog's apparent long-term goal of shortening game length and putting more action into the early-midgame. I'm conflicted :/. I feel that the metagame right now would have allowed Luna to be viable regardless of adding tranq because like you said, the game is just so mid game oriented. Luna reaching level six gives immediately makes her a presence because of how obnoxious it is to gank her with ult off cooldown or just the sheer amount of damage it does in teamfights. Eclipse alone makes her so appealing in this metagame in contrast to other late game carries having a bit of longer build up to have that said "presence". The counter argument would be whether she could even reach 6 without tranquil I guess and we still don't really see PL much in competitive games although in PL's case, yes tranquil without question is a why people look at him a bit more although the agility gain shouldn't be forgotten (armor bonus is pretty insane) | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
The components are cheap (nice for a ganker) Regen (which shiva's largely doesn't give) Burst damage (which bloodstone doesn't give) CC (which shredder lacks) Also - can you cast while chain is in midair? That could make orchid that much more viable (in a similar fashion to old shotgun morph). | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
i like agility treads too. On December 14 2012 07:19 LAN-f34r wrote: The reason I think orchid could be good is because: The components are cheap (nice for a ganker) Regen (which shiva's largely doesn't give) Burst damage (which bloodstone doesn't give) CC (which shredder lacks) Also - can you cast while chain is in midair? That could make orchid that much more viable (in a similar fashion to old shotgun morph). yes, but there is downtime from the cast animation of chain, so you only have a split second to do whatever you want to do | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
I particularly like them on int supports! | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On December 14 2012 07:19 LAN-f34r wrote: The reason I think orchid could be good is because: The components are cheap (nice for a ganker) Regen (which shiva's largely doesn't give) Burst damage (which bloodstone doesn't give) CC (which shredder lacks) Also - can you cast while chain is in midair? That could make orchid that much more viable (in a similar fashion to old shotgun morph). yes you can orchid's okay, dagon's decent as well, bloodstone is better for farming and teamfights tho honestly shredder can just build w.e he wants he farms ridiculously fast | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
On December 14 2012 07:19 LAN-f34r wrote: The reason I think orchid could be good is because: The components are cheap (nice for a ganker) Regen (which shiva's largely doesn't give) Burst damage (which bloodstone doesn't give) CC (which shredder lacks) Also - can you cast while chain is in midair? That could make orchid that much more viable (in a similar fashion to old shotgun morph). orchid is alright its just the damage/attackspeed is kinda moot on a hero like him. but you should try orchid on dk or sven, fun times. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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