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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
November 17 2012 16:17 GMT
#30101
Meepo wasn't played anymore within 24 hours of release, it was kinda crazy
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 17 2012 16:20 GMT
#30102
I play hte shit out of Visage, I love him.
I dont understand how people can't use his familiar stuns. Hotkey, q thats it
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
November 17 2012 16:25 GMT
#30103
Atleast I don't see any other hero yet to be release who would cause the same debacle as Meepo did.
Beside Techies obviously, but we're okay for a looong time about him.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 16:26:52
November 17 2012 16:26 GMT
#30104
On November 18 2012 01:13 Qbek wrote:
Nobody understands slark. Fucking emo kid

Yeah you need to get lothar on slark to get 7%hp regen/sec while standing next to the enemy.
Legit!
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
November 17 2012 16:29 GMT
#30105
you gona have to quit the game for a while then. People dont even understand how to play slark right now (no one does actually) not even counting that shredder is lining up to be releashed this month. Personally i think slark is a very strong solo pusher/jungler. I play slark quite similar to how i play meepo: dodge teamfight and side push/jungle, pick off stand-alone-hero. I often save skill points so i only max out 1st skill after i got ulti. But i also see a more successful ganking slark with shadowblade by singsing.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
November 17 2012 16:53 GMT
#30106
Dat feel when you ruin your pretty w/l because you forget to turn off Russia
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 17 2012 16:53 GMT
#30107
On November 18 2012 01:29 NB wrote:
you gona have to quit the game for a while then. People dont even understand how to play slark right now (no one does actually) not even counting that shredder is lining up to be releashed this month. Personally i think slark is a very strong solo pusher/jungler. I play slark quite similar to how i play meepo: dodge teamfight and side push/jungle, pick off stand-alone-hero. I often save skill points so i only max out 1st skill after i got ulti. But i also see a more successful ganking slark with shadowblade by singsing.


thats fine, played enough diretide to last me for awhile
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
November 17 2012 17:17 GMT
#30108
On November 18 2012 00:36 Wysp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 22:31 Kaniol wrote:
On November 17 2012 18:51 LAN-f34r wrote:
On November 17 2012 17:44 r.Evo wrote:
I guess I play different pubs than most people. Like, compared to ANY other game I played in multiplayer that needed some kind of teamwork the people I met in dota 2 pubs are the most fun, friendly and cool people. I think I had the feeling of "WOW WHAT A DUMBASS" less in DotA 2 than anywhere else in those genres. In dota I feel the need to report someone every 20 games or so, back in League it was more like every 2nd one. =P

Pub games are only bad if you treat everyone in a way guides like that teach you to treat everyone imo.

@fb: My point about that isn't that I think TA isn't hard - it's about claiming VS is great for starters. She is what I'd call the most difficult support hero in the game simply because positioning/split second judgement are more crucial on her than anyone else.


LoL community is bad -.-

Stupid surrender.

Coming from any other community, however, you HAVE to get used to the idea that you will suck, you will be flamed because you suck, you will be flamed a lot until you stop sucking, and then the flame reduces only by a little bit. Other games just don't have that (or at least, not to that extent). The guide is a somewhat friendly way of saying this. Its a better way to break the news than by learning from experience.

Unrelated: Does any LoL player think that slark feels like a LoL champion? Short cooldowns, mobility skill, can't dive towers well since they reveal you, and generally feels like a LoL bruiser.

Nope, his design screams "ruin enemy team's fun" which is totally opposite of LoL design philosophy (at least that's my opinion, but i got used to slark before i started playing LoL so maybe someone who haven't played dota1 before LoL would be a better "test subject")



Slark is really weak. Stun sentry ward dead.

Stun de-stun jump byebye is more realistic imo.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
November 17 2012 17:19 GMT
#30109
On November 18 2012 01:13 Dattish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 01:12 Torte de Lini wrote:
I quit this game until people get over Slark, so much lack of understanding makes the game incredibly uncomfortable.

Generally, you avoid solo queue the first week or two a hero is released. The only exception was visage because none plays visage anymore.

Except aui_2000! 'Look how useful my hero is! So good!'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 17:32:38
November 17 2012 17:26 GMT
#30110
this guy just doesn't have HP, mana or damage. Common problem for weak heroes that he shares is you simply cannot build everything you need on him. Any lane you would want to run a slark in there are about a dozen stronger options. His jump is not the best escape as you can just stand in front of his escape path. If he does manage to time his dark pact nicely sure he may escape but unless he had good early game somehow he's gonna have no mana left after using 3 of his spells just to get away.

I also completely fail to see how he ruins other team's fun.


I will say one thing I do really like about slark though, windrunners and darkseers cannot escape him early game. He is also insanely fun to play and I have had a lot of success with lothars and mom strats. (Success when my team magically wins all lanes...)
an overdeveloped sense of self preservation
toemn
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany915 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 17:47:50
November 17 2012 17:46 GMT
#30111
Wow MMR completely fucked up for the last 3 days. I was 35 wins ahead and basically lost like 10 games in a row interrupted by 1-2 wins. EVERY game I get a Slark in my time. I hadn't had a single game since the patch in which Slark was in enemy team. I have not changed my playstyle, I pretty much random or take what is needed most. My winrate was around 52% and is now 50%. I don't get it.. It was fine the last few weeks.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
November 17 2012 17:50 GMT
#30112
so...... eblade sniper, pretty good

[image loading]
POGGERS
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
November 17 2012 18:01 GMT
#30113
On November 18 2012 02:50 konadora wrote:
so...... eblade sniper, pretty good

[image loading]

so you wana start another 5 pages discussion on brag thread, make a new thread and close it?
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 17 2012 18:04 GMT
#30114
I think the only way to beat slark is to play him yourself.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
November 17 2012 18:06 GMT
#30115
--- Nuked ---
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
November 17 2012 18:13 GMT
#30116
On November 18 2012 01:20 Torte de Lini wrote:
I play hte shit out of Visage, I love him.
I dont understand how people can't use his familiar stuns. Hotkey, q thats it

People just shit their pants when they have to control more than one unit, tbh.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 17 2012 18:14 GMT
#30117
I think the main issue with multiple control is that people love watching their unit do the command they issued instead of going and issuing commands to other units.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 17 2012 18:25 GMT
#30118
Slark really doesn't seem anywhere near as bad as people are making him out to be. I've played him twice in dota 1, then a few times since dota 2 release. His laning isn't hideous, he's not amazing by any means but he's more useful than say a Void or Spectre, albeit more reliant on a skillshot.

Dark pact is amazing for farming and he can do a nice burst of damage on a hero and pseudo-immobilize them simultaneously. Ignoring the active component of the ult and essence shift entirely he's still a decent hero. He has plenty of weaknesses but people really are ignoring his strengths (namely that his invisibility is not countered by dust, track, or amplify damage, and he can detect the presence of wards via his ult).

Whether he's competitively viable is a different question, but he's certainly fine in pubs. I would rather see a slark than a meepo on my team.
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
November 17 2012 18:51 GMT
#30119
I've had decent success on Slark with PMS and OoV into treads/drums. The build-up is nice with lots of cheap items (in case laning is rough) and you get decently tanky without sacrificing too much damage. Drums also gives you better stats than sitting on 2k gold trying to get to an ultimate orb.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
November 17 2012 18:55 GMT
#30120
On November 18 2012 03:25 Nevuk wrote:
Slark really doesn't seem anywhere near as bad as people are making him out to be. I've played him twice in dota 1, then a few times since dota 2 release. His laning isn't hideous, he's not amazing by any means but he's more useful than say a Void or Spectre, albeit more reliant on a skillshot.

Dark pact is amazing for farming and he can do a nice burst of damage on a hero and pseudo-immobilize them simultaneously. Ignoring the active component of the ult and essence shift entirely he's still a decent hero. He has plenty of weaknesses but people really are ignoring his strengths (namely that his invisibility is not countered by dust, track, or amplify damage, and he can detect the presence of wards via his ult).

Whether he's competitively viable is a different question, but he's certainly fine in pubs. I would rather see a slark than a meepo on my team.

Yep.
His stats gain is bad, but compared to a lot of agi heroes (AM, void,...), his HP gain is better than them.
His damage is bad, but only when he attacks creeps. With 3rd skill, it basically gives him +19 damage when attacking heroes (or +22 damages if you count the +3 agi each attack.)
His 1st skill is spammable.
2nd skills is a good initiate and escape tool.

Overall, I think his laning phrase is not bad. For competitive play, there're better alternatives, but for pub, I don't think there're anything worth complaining about him. From all the games that I play and see with him in there, his team wins most of the time.
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