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I'm in complete and total disbelief.
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Woah, never saw this one coming.
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Shock and amazement are the only words I can use for this level of journalism.
Well played Slasher, well played indeed.
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Holy shit is this real ?
This came totally out of nowhere ! 
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holy shit never expected this! --,)
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You linked your website, put up an image, and wrote one whole sentence, an entire sentence, then listed the roster. All in a day's work...
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WOW. FEAR on EG. I hope they keep their new name - it kinda fits them 
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On February 21 2014 11:23 Weird wrote:
You linked your website, put up an image, and wrote one whole sentence, an entire sentence, then listed the roster. All in a day's work...
The rest of the article (albeit not much more) is linked inside of the article.
I know this isn't really news to most as it's been semi leaked before, but here's your confirmation!
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On February 21 2014 11:44 spritzz wrote:
The banner says PDD.
The Raven was ported from sc2 in the latest patch. Didn't you know?!
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On February 21 2014 11:23 Weird wrote:
You linked your website, put up an image, and wrote one whole sentence, an entire sentence, then listed the roster. All in a day's work...
He sure did more than me today
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so are jeyo, fogged & mss rich now or something
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Finally Fear has someone on his team that can play on his level.
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Now they will start losing again, since the EG curse will take effect.
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Back in HoN zai was the biggest upcoming talent, He won 3 year end awards in 2012. Hope it transfers to dota, he is only 16!
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Also water is wet. This leak has been out for a month now.
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Slasher news reporting- Two sentences, a banner with a misspelled player name, and an excuse. Quality journalism as always.
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On February 21 2014 11:48 hpty603 wrote:The Raven was ported from sc2 in the latest patch. Didn't you know?!
EG.Drazerk
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Wow. I don't follow Dota gossip at all and I was thinking "Wait, isn't sadboys just EG?"
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Hey, remember last week when EG released a profile of Fear? IT'S ALMOST LIKE THAT WAS BUILDING TO SOMETHING GUYS
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On February 21 2014 15:13 Witten wrote:
Slasher news reporting- Two sentences, a banner with a misspelled player name, and an excuse. Quality journalism as always.
As I explained, you can read the full article if you go to the link, as I do not want to paste the entire thing on TL. This is pretty standard procedure here.
The image used is one that EG is hosting on their website, but is not supposed to be public, not one we made ourselves.
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On February 21 2014 17:34 Slasher wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 15:13 Witten wrote:
Slasher news reporting- Two sentences, a banner with a misspelled player name, and an excuse. Quality journalism as always. As I explained, you can read the full article if you go to the link, as I do not want to paste the entire thing on TL. This is pretty standard procedure here. The image used is one that EG is hosting on their website, but is not supposed to be public, not one we made ourselves.
Yeah you didn't deserve that one, I'm just kind of surprised it took you this long to catch on to/ acknowledge this leak. I do have to ask if you know about things like this or eg jaedong before other people do and don't post it till something official pops up, or if I really knew about Jaedong to EG 6 months earlier than you.
+ Show Spoiler +Also if you see this remember I heard it from 3 different places, you know who you are
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On February 21 2014 17:34 Slasher wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 15:13 Witten wrote:
Slasher news reporting- Two sentences, a banner with a misspelled player name, and an excuse. Quality journalism as always. As I explained, you can read the full article if you go to the link, as I do not want to paste the entire thing on TL. This is pretty standard procedure here. The image used is one that EG is hosting on their website, but is not supposed to be public, not one we made ourselves.
You really had to go out of your way to prove him right...
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I AM TOTALLY SUPRISED BY WOAH GREAT PICK UP LOLOLOLOLOLOL
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i am finally gonna hear "EG's turn to pick"
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I am in shock.
Good luck to EG & players
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United Kingdom38239 Posts
top quality investigative journalism.
what a story to break
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Undying as signature hero pls.
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PDD LOL... at least fix it.
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MSS and Fogged?? or are they only part of the team according to liquidpedia?
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Sucks they'll have to get rid of the name now.
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On February 21 2014 20:37 Cinim wrote:
MSS and Fogged?? or are they only part of the team according to liquidpedia?
Booted.
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On February 21 2014 12:41 SnowfaLL wrote:
Now they will start losing again, since the EG curse will take effect.
Exactly what I thought.
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On February 21 2014 11:44 spritzz wrote:
The banner says PDD.
hahaha
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I had such high hopes for rtz, now hes doomed =/
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i just hope fear gets back to his old strength someday.....if so for me it could be the first time ever rooting for an EG team
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This is pretty cool for EG. I would have rather seen something else happen with these guys but whatever... Gratz to them.
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This thread was worth reading simply to see people get all over Slasher.
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I don't think EG would be a team any of us remember if it weren't for the organization's level of attention and sponsoring and marketing. They were a contender before most of the world had Dota access, and almost never since then.
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Impossible, EG hasn't even made an announcement of an announcement of an announcement yet!
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On February 21 2014 20:00 Asha` wrote:
top quality investigative journalism.
what a story to break
manner pls
On February 21 2014 20:37 Cinim wrote:
MSS and Fogged?? or are they only part of the team according to liquidpedia?
The roster on liquipedia will be changed once there's an official announcement from EG, it currently still lists the "leftovers" from their previous run as a squad
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EG sans Demon eh...let's see how they roll with the top dogs.
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That's cool...Now i can cheer for EG in dota again lol
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They have a swede, they might make it big guys.
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Well, congrats to the players. But they are my enemies now.
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s a d b o y s
see me in the club with it tatted on my chest
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Yowza! EG is really turning heads.
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Who could have ever called this?!
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wowowow never saw dis coming xd
btw how are we suppose spot sarcasm without the kappas' !? ENgrish is very hard..
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Holy shit guys, is this for real?
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0_O would have never expected this!
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There weren't nearly enough announcements in the weeks leading to this, clearly it's not real. /sarcasm
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I think we need to wait for the official announcement before we..
grats to the boys.
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I thought MSS played very well.
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Wow this is truly a shocking leak. I never saw it coming. Alex Garfield will be pissed at you again Slasher.
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On February 22 2014 01:36 Thienan567 wrote:
s a d b o y s
see me in the club with it tatted on my chest
What if they change their name after you get the tattoo? 0_o
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On February 22 2014 04:27 Just_a_Moth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 01:36 Thienan567 wrote:
s a d b o y s
see me in the club with it tatted on my chest What if they change their name after you get the tattoo? 0_o
make seamless transition to hipster dota fan
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The team is all really young and old (as a 22 year old), had no idea ppd was 31 though.
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On February 22 2014 05:20 Weasel- wrote:The team is all really young and old (as a 22 year old), had no idea ppd was 31 though.
he's not. he's 22. check the twitter bio
https://twitter.com/ppdDota
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United States1225 Posts
Didn't see this at all. Literally no idea that this would happen. Biggest shock of 2014. Surprise eSports move of the decade, for sure.
All jest aside, I'm interested to see how this develops. Fear stepping down as captain, RTZ actually going full time. Should be interesting.
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Fear stepping down as captain in my view can only be a good thing. We've been through three or four EG incarnations that have suffered from a lack of leadership in game, and really it's been since Maelk was active that EG's coordination and tactics have matched their play in lanes. I do wonder about zai and ppd's skill level compared to Fogged and MSS, but ppd seems to have been the guy making the strat calls and keeping everything together for Sadboys, so even if there is a step down in skill it seems to be worth it. I suppose my biggest question is about rtz and whether his mouth will get him in trouble once he signs.
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The next EG fail team.. They definately will be a bunch of sadboys when this year is over.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
please gtfo eg don't curse the legend
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I hope RTZ brings some idra flavor to EG. Can only be a good thing IMO
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oh poor MSS 
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On February 22 2014 07:02 WetSocks wrote:oh poor MSS
MSS is on EHUG. Has been for awhile now.
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On February 22 2014 06:59 Spicy_Curry wrote:
I hope RTZ brings some idra flavor to EG. Can only be a good thing IMO
"I hope RTZ bring some rage and zero results to EG. Can only be better than what theyve had in the past because at least they might get some press."
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On February 22 2014 07:02 WetSocks wrote:oh poor MSS
Yeah, what actually happened to him after EG? In (I think Hotbid's) an interview he said that he basically ran from home to play on EG. Did he just go back home after EG's roster disbanded?
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On February 22 2014 06:20 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Fear stepping down as captain in my view can only be a good thing. We've been through three or four EG incarnations that have suffered from a lack of leadership in game, and really it's been since Maelk was active that EG's coordination and tactics have matched their play in lanes. I do wonder about zai and ppd's skill level compared to Fogged and MSS, but ppd seems to have been the guy making the strat calls and keeping everything together for Sadboys, so even if there is a step down in skill it seems to be worth it. I suppose my biggest question is about rtz and whether his mouth will get him in trouble once he signs.
ppd is a HoN vet, im sure his experience in running a team is more than most western players.
Seems like EG wanted another polarizing "IdrA" type figure, and Arteezy is their selection. The similarities are quite striking. I'm positive EG as an organization took a huge hit when they fired IdrA (even if it needed to be done)
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On February 22 2014 07:38 AnonymousSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 06:59 Spicy_Curry wrote:
I hope RTZ brings some idra flavor to EG. Can only be a good thing IMO "I hope RTZ bring some rage and zero results to EG. Can only be better than what theyve had in the past because at least they might get some press."
this guys got a sad life.
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On February 22 2014 08:01 SnowfaLL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 06:20 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Fear stepping down as captain in my view can only be a good thing. We've been through three or four EG incarnations that have suffered from a lack of leadership in game, and really it's been since Maelk was active that EG's coordination and tactics have matched their play in lanes. I do wonder about zai and ppd's skill level compared to Fogged and MSS, but ppd seems to have been the guy making the strat calls and keeping everything together for Sadboys, so even if there is a step down in skill it seems to be worth it. I suppose my biggest question is about rtz and whether his mouth will get him in trouble once he signs. ppd is a HoN vet, im sure his experience in running a team is more than most western players. Seems like EG wanted another polarizing "IdrA" type figure, and Arteezy is their selection. The similarities are quite striking. I'm positive EG as an organization took a huge hit when they fired IdrA (even if it needed to be done)
I wouldnt put it quite that way even though its close (arteezy part).
Also, Yes Peterpandam Started in HoN and was known as a scrub for a longgggg time but Sneyking stuck by his side for a long time and he began to get quite good, he played with sneyking/swindlemelonzz for probably 1-2 years and was by far the best support player by the time he decided to leave. I think there is actually VoDs of us playing HoN on my twitch channel.
The fact you are saying they are taking a Skill cut is absurd. Fogged I would say is definately the most skilled player EG had but they used him as a support player for some reason (other players sucked at support I suppose). in HoN Fogged was one of thee best Offlane/Mids along with Korok and All of Fnatic. But for playing Support PPD is an amazing Warder/Laner. Zai is by far "another Arteezy" if we are going by age. Hes only 16 and hes won massive amounts of Tournies back in HoN and is by far the most Technically skilled of EG now. Once His Visage and Chen become Better I would put him at the top of 4 players.
As for The Idra/Arteezy thing, Its not hard to see that Arteezy is by far a top 3 mid player. Hes not even that bad mannered and definately doesnt do stupid shit in tournaments. People seem to think if your good and "Bad mannered" you are the next idra. Arteezy doesn't rage quit tourney games nor throw on purpose if he sees something wrong. Much like every other Dota player (See ixmike or really anyone) they trash talk people over Twitter for fun and also Shit talk in Pubs, The thing about that is everyone does it in Dota 2.
Also Though its not really related, People should watch out for JiggleBilly on Ehug along with MSS, Should be a good duo.
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On February 22 2014 08:20 GranDGranT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 08:01 SnowfaLL wrote:On February 22 2014 06:20 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Fear stepping down as captain in my view can only be a good thing. We've been through three or four EG incarnations that have suffered from a lack of leadership in game, and really it's been since Maelk was active that EG's coordination and tactics have matched their play in lanes. I do wonder about zai and ppd's skill level compared to Fogged and MSS, but ppd seems to have been the guy making the strat calls and keeping everything together for Sadboys, so even if there is a step down in skill it seems to be worth it. I suppose my biggest question is about rtz and whether his mouth will get him in trouble once he signs. ppd is a HoN vet, im sure his experience in running a team is more than most western players. Seems like EG wanted another polarizing "IdrA" type figure, and Arteezy is their selection. The similarities are quite striking. I'm positive EG as an organization took a huge hit when they fired IdrA (even if it needed to be done) I wouldnt put it quite that way even though its close (arteezy part). Also, Yes Peterpandam Started in HoN and was known as a scrub for a longgggg time but Sneyking stuck by his side for a long time and he began to get quite good, he played with sneyking/swindlemelonzz for probably 1-2 years and was by far the best support player by the time he decided to leave. I think there is actually VoDs of us playing HoN on my twitch channel. The fact you are saying they are taking a Skill cut is absurd. Fogged I would say is definately the most skilled player EG had but they used him as a support player for some reason (other players sucked at support I suppose). in HoN Fogged was one of thee best Offlane/Mids along with Korok and All of Fnatic. But for playing Support PPD is an amazing Warder/Laner. Zai is by far "another Arteezy" if we are going by age. Hes only 16 and hes won massive amounts of Tournies back in HoN and is by far the most Technically skilled of EG now. Once His Visage and Chen become Better I would put him at the top of 4 players. As for The Idra/Arteezy thing, Its not hard to see that Arteezy is by far a top 3 mid player. Hes not even that bad mannered and definately doesnt do stupid shit in tournaments. People seem to think if your good and "Bad mannered" you are the next idra. Arteezy doesn't rage quit tourney games nor throw on purpose if he sees something wrong. Much like every other Dota player (See ixmike or really anyone) they trash talk people over Twitter for fun and also Shit talk in Pubs, The thing about that is everyone does it in Dota 2. Also Though its not really related, People should watch out for JiggleBilly on Ehug along with MSS, Should be a good duo.
Honestly, from watching Arteezy's stream he doesn't even really bm or shit talk teammates as much as people say he does (sure as hell doesn't tell people to get cancer like Idra used to). He does it more to people he knows, which is usually just trolling/joking around anyways. He can be comparable to Idra I guess in some ways, but like Grant said most of the North American Dota playerbase can be.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
What's the connection between Idra and Arteezy supposed to be, anyway? I don't really follow Starcraft, but as far as I understand Idra used to be the best foreigner a long time ago, has a long legacy coming from bw, is badmannered, rages a lot, complains about balance and has a lot of diehard fans. I would say Arteezy is more of an opposite of Idra if anything.
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On February 22 2014 08:08 braincandy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 07:38 AnonymousSC2 wrote:On February 22 2014 06:59 Spicy_Curry wrote:
I hope RTZ brings some idra flavor to EG. Can only be a good thing IMO "I hope RTZ bring some rage and zero results to EG. Can only be better than what theyve had in the past because at least they might get some press." this guys got a sad life.
this guys a realist. What does not jumping on the arteezy fan boy train or the EG fan boy train have anything to do with my life. Use your braincandy bro. Be real, you think this EG is gonna be TI champs? give me a break
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Well at least EG pays their players I'm pretty sure, which is sadly not something you can take for granted in the Dota2 scene it seems.
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On February 22 2014 09:32 AnonymousSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 08:08 braincandy wrote:On February 22 2014 07:38 AnonymousSC2 wrote:On February 22 2014 06:59 Spicy_Curry wrote:
I hope RTZ brings some idra flavor to EG. Can only be a good thing IMO "I hope RTZ bring some rage and zero results to EG. Can only be better than what theyve had in the past because at least they might get some press." this guys got a sad life. this guys a realist. What does not jumping on the arteezy fan boy train or the EG fan boy train have anything to do with my life. Use your braincandy bro. Be real, you think this EG is gonna be TI champs? give me a break
idk man. i think you're sad.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
arteezy is way more mannered than idra lol. don't get the connection at all. he just wants to play and win the game.
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On February 22 2014 08:56 cecek wrote:
What's the connection between Idra and Arteezy supposed to be, anyway? I don't really follow Starcraft, but as far as I understand Idra used to be the best foreigner a long time ago, has a long legacy coming from bw, is badmannered, rages a lot, complains about balance and has a lot of diehard fans. I would say Arteezy is more of an opposite of Idra if anything.
maybe they know each other ? no ?
i mean i know that Loda and Jaedong know each other. no idea how did they know each other.
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Dager = raged? this makes some sense
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On February 22 2014 07:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:MSS is on EHUG. Has been for awhile now.
But MSS ran away from his home to join EG. It went well only for a while
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lol yeah MSS left his family for eg. I bet they are having the last laugh now
i honestly thought brax and 1437 will feature in the new eg =/
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On February 22 2014 08:20 GranDGranT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 08:01 SnowfaLL wrote:On February 22 2014 06:20 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Fear stepping down as captain in my view can only be a good thing. We've been through three or four EG incarnations that have suffered from a lack of leadership in game, and really it's been since Maelk was active that EG's coordination and tactics have matched their play in lanes. I do wonder about zai and ppd's skill level compared to Fogged and MSS, but ppd seems to have been the guy making the strat calls and keeping everything together for Sadboys, so even if there is a step down in skill it seems to be worth it. I suppose my biggest question is about rtz and whether his mouth will get him in trouble once he signs. ppd is a HoN vet, im sure his experience in running a team is more than most western players. Seems like EG wanted another polarizing "IdrA" type figure, and Arteezy is their selection. The similarities are quite striking. I'm positive EG as an organization took a huge hit when they fired IdrA (even if it needed to be done) I wouldnt put it quite that way even though its close (arteezy part). Also, Yes Peterpandam Started in HoN and was known as a scrub for a longgggg time but Sneyking stuck by his side for a long time and he began to get quite good, he played with sneyking/swindlemelonzz for probably 1-2 years and was by far the best support player by the time he decided to leave. I think there is actually VoDs of us playing HoN on my twitch channel. The fact you are saying they are taking a Skill cut is absurd. Fogged I would say is definately the most skilled player EG had but they used him as a support player for some reason (other players sucked at support I suppose). in HoN Fogged was one of thee best Offlane/Mids along with Korok and All of Fnatic. But for playing Support PPD is an amazing Warder/Laner. Zai is by far "another Arteezy" if we are going by age. Hes only 16 and hes won massive amounts of Tournies back in HoN and is by far the most Technically skilled of EG now. Once His Visage and Chen become Better I would put him at the top of 4 players. As for The Idra/Arteezy thing, Its not hard to see that Arteezy is by far a top 3 mid player. Hes not even that bad mannered and definately doesnt do stupid shit in tournaments. People seem to think if your good and "Bad mannered" you are the next idra. Arteezy doesn't rage quit tourney games nor throw on purpose if he sees something wrong. Much like every other Dota player (See ixmike or really anyone) they trash talk people over Twitter for fun and also Shit talk in Pubs, The thing about that is everyone does it in Dota 2. Also Though its not really related, People should watch out for JiggleBilly on Ehug along with MSS, Should be a good duo.
whoa slow down there buddy. i'm not sure if you watch only the na scene but there are alot of things you've got wrong. arteezy doesn't make it top anything in terms of mid. nor does the unknown hon player who transitioned into dota 2. you would be discounting the likes of ferarri, fy, cty, mushi, dendi, yaphets, fear, etc. not to mention it seems you know NOTHING about who the mid champs in NA are. relic, uni, and those who are associated to those 2. i've been watching arteezy's sf and mid for a while and if it came down to 1v1s at this point i'd put good money i'd win against him. if he didn't beat relic? yeah there's no way he's going to beat the people who are better than relic.
if we're talking about being a good mid player that works with the team well i'd agree with you, but in terms of technical 1v1 skill, he doesn't make the list rofl, please don't talk about topics you don't know, it's making you lose credibility.
and 2nd, hon is NOT dota. yeah they're alike, doesn't mean the skill transfers. it's as laughable as the statement made by select when he joined dota 2 "there are things you can abuse with apm that people don't know about" and this comes from a guy who was at one point friends with select. the notion that skill in 1 similar game correlates to skill in another automatically is misguided.
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On February 22 2014 19:39 saocyn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 08:20 GranDGranT wrote:On February 22 2014 08:01 SnowfaLL wrote:On February 22 2014 06:20 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Fear stepping down as captain in my view can only be a good thing. We've been through three or four EG incarnations that have suffered from a lack of leadership in game, and really it's been since Maelk was active that EG's coordination and tactics have matched their play in lanes. I do wonder about zai and ppd's skill level compared to Fogged and MSS, but ppd seems to have been the guy making the strat calls and keeping everything together for Sadboys, so even if there is a step down in skill it seems to be worth it. I suppose my biggest question is about rtz and whether his mouth will get him in trouble once he signs. ppd is a HoN vet, im sure his experience in running a team is more than most western players. Seems like EG wanted another polarizing "IdrA" type figure, and Arteezy is their selection. The similarities are quite striking. I'm positive EG as an organization took a huge hit when they fired IdrA (even if it needed to be done) I wouldnt put it quite that way even though its close (arteezy part). Also, Yes Peterpandam Started in HoN and was known as a scrub for a longgggg time but Sneyking stuck by his side for a long time and he began to get quite good, he played with sneyking/swindlemelonzz for probably 1-2 years and was by far the best support player by the time he decided to leave. I think there is actually VoDs of us playing HoN on my twitch channel. The fact you are saying they are taking a Skill cut is absurd. Fogged I would say is definately the most skilled player EG had but they used him as a support player for some reason (other players sucked at support I suppose). in HoN Fogged was one of thee best Offlane/Mids along with Korok and All of Fnatic. But for playing Support PPD is an amazing Warder/Laner. Zai is by far "another Arteezy" if we are going by age. Hes only 16 and hes won massive amounts of Tournies back in HoN and is by far the most Technically skilled of EG now. Once His Visage and Chen become Better I would put him at the top of 4 players. As for The Idra/Arteezy thing, Its not hard to see that Arteezy is by far a top 3 mid player. Hes not even that bad mannered and definately doesnt do stupid shit in tournaments. People seem to think if your good and "Bad mannered" you are the next idra. Arteezy doesn't rage quit tourney games nor throw on purpose if he sees something wrong. Much like every other Dota player (See ixmike or really anyone) they trash talk people over Twitter for fun and also Shit talk in Pubs, The thing about that is everyone does it in Dota 2. Also Though its not really related, People should watch out for JiggleBilly on Ehug along with MSS, Should be a good duo. whoa slow down there buddy. i'm not sure if you watch only the na scene but there are alot of things you've got wrong. arteezy doesn't make it top anything in terms of mid. nor does the unknown hon player who transitioned into dota 2. you would be discounting the likes of ferarri, fy, cty, mushi, dendi, yaphets, fear, etc. not to mention it seems you know NOTHING about who the mid champs in NA are. relic, uni, and those who are associated to those 2. i've been watching arteezy's sf and mid for a while and if it came down to 1v1s at this point i'd put good money i'd win against him. if he didn't beat relic? yeah there's no way he's going to beat the people who are better than relic. if we're talking about being a good mid player that works with the team well i'd agree with you, but in terms of technical 1v1 skill, he doesn't make the list rofl, please don't talk about topics you don't know, it's making you lose credibility. and 2nd, hon is NOT dota. yeah they're alike, doesn't mean the skill transfers. it's as laughable as the statement made by select when he joined dota 2 "there are things you can abuse with apm that people don't know about" and this comes from a guy who was at one point friends with select. the notion that skill in 1 similar game correlates to skill in another automatically is misguided.
Well most people would disagree with you.
Not quite sure who you are, but GrandGrant has been close to the NA pros for like a decade now. The fact that you seem to judge rtz's skill based on his pub games and discard other people's opinion as plain wrong is pretty funny to me.
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On February 22 2014 14:26 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:lol yeah MSS left his family for eg. I bet they are having the last laugh now i honestly thought brax and 1437 will feature in the new eg =/
God pls no, 1437 is noway near the level of any of these sadboys guys.
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On February 22 2014 19:52 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 19:39 saocyn wrote:On February 22 2014 08:20 GranDGranT wrote:On February 22 2014 08:01 SnowfaLL wrote:On February 22 2014 06:20 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Fear stepping down as captain in my view can only be a good thing. We've been through three or four EG incarnations that have suffered from a lack of leadership in game, and really it's been since Maelk was active that EG's coordination and tactics have matched their play in lanes. I do wonder about zai and ppd's skill level compared to Fogged and MSS, but ppd seems to have been the guy making the strat calls and keeping everything together for Sadboys, so even if there is a step down in skill it seems to be worth it. I suppose my biggest question is about rtz and whether his mouth will get him in trouble once he signs. ppd is a HoN vet, im sure his experience in running a team is more than most western players. Seems like EG wanted another polarizing "IdrA" type figure, and Arteezy is their selection. The similarities are quite striking. I'm positive EG as an organization took a huge hit when they fired IdrA (even if it needed to be done) I wouldnt put it quite that way even though its close (arteezy part). Also, Yes Peterpandam Started in HoN and was known as a scrub for a longgggg time but Sneyking stuck by his side for a long time and he began to get quite good, he played with sneyking/swindlemelonzz for probably 1-2 years and was by far the best support player by the time he decided to leave. I think there is actually VoDs of us playing HoN on my twitch channel. The fact you are saying they are taking a Skill cut is absurd. Fogged I would say is definately the most skilled player EG had but they used him as a support player for some reason (other players sucked at support I suppose). in HoN Fogged was one of thee best Offlane/Mids along with Korok and All of Fnatic. But for playing Support PPD is an amazing Warder/Laner. Zai is by far "another Arteezy" if we are going by age. Hes only 16 and hes won massive amounts of Tournies back in HoN and is by far the most Technically skilled of EG now. Once His Visage and Chen become Better I would put him at the top of 4 players. As for The Idra/Arteezy thing, Its not hard to see that Arteezy is by far a top 3 mid player. Hes not even that bad mannered and definately doesnt do stupid shit in tournaments. People seem to think if your good and "Bad mannered" you are the next idra. Arteezy doesn't rage quit tourney games nor throw on purpose if he sees something wrong. Much like every other Dota player (See ixmike or really anyone) they trash talk people over Twitter for fun and also Shit talk in Pubs, The thing about that is everyone does it in Dota 2. Also Though its not really related, People should watch out for JiggleBilly on Ehug along with MSS, Should be a good duo. whoa slow down there buddy. i'm not sure if you watch only the na scene but there are alot of things you've got wrong. arteezy doesn't make it top anything in terms of mid. nor does the unknown hon player who transitioned into dota 2. you would be discounting the likes of ferarri, fy, cty, mushi, dendi, yaphets, fear, etc. not to mention it seems you know NOTHING about who the mid champs in NA are. relic, uni, and those who are associated to those 2. i've been watching arteezy's sf and mid for a while and if it came down to 1v1s at this point i'd put good money i'd win against him. if he didn't beat relic? yeah there's no way he's going to beat the people who are better than relic. if we're talking about being a good mid player that works with the team well i'd agree with you, but in terms of technical 1v1 skill, he doesn't make the list rofl, please don't talk about topics you don't know, it's making you lose credibility. and 2nd, hon is NOT dota. yeah they're alike, doesn't mean the skill transfers. it's as laughable as the statement made by select when he joined dota 2 "there are things you can abuse with apm that people don't know about" and this comes from a guy who was at one point friends with select. the notion that skill in 1 similar game correlates to skill in another automatically is misguided. Well most people would disagree with you. Not quite sure who you are, but GrandGrant has been close to the NA pros for like a decade now. The fact that you seem to judge rtz's skill based on his pub games and discard other people's opinion as plain wrong is pretty funny to me.
Just because someone has shown potential, doesnt mean he is as good as frequent proven potential like dendi, mushis etcetc. Proven and frequently shown isnt the same. Is rtz a one day fly, i dont think so but you cant compare him with the bignames yet.
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On February 22 2014 23:06 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 19:52 Mandalor wrote:On February 22 2014 19:39 saocyn wrote:On February 22 2014 08:20 GranDGranT wrote:On February 22 2014 08:01 SnowfaLL wrote:On February 22 2014 06:20 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Fear stepping down as captain in my view can only be a good thing. We've been through three or four EG incarnations that have suffered from a lack of leadership in game, and really it's been since Maelk was active that EG's coordination and tactics have matched their play in lanes. I do wonder about zai and ppd's skill level compared to Fogged and MSS, but ppd seems to have been the guy making the strat calls and keeping everything together for Sadboys, so even if there is a step down in skill it seems to be worth it. I suppose my biggest question is about rtz and whether his mouth will get him in trouble once he signs. ppd is a HoN vet, im sure his experience in running a team is more than most western players. Seems like EG wanted another polarizing "IdrA" type figure, and Arteezy is their selection. The similarities are quite striking. I'm positive EG as an organization took a huge hit when they fired IdrA (even if it needed to be done) I wouldnt put it quite that way even though its close (arteezy part). Also, Yes Peterpandam Started in HoN and was known as a scrub for a longgggg time but Sneyking stuck by his side for a long time and he began to get quite good, he played with sneyking/swindlemelonzz for probably 1-2 years and was by far the best support player by the time he decided to leave. I think there is actually VoDs of us playing HoN on my twitch channel. The fact you are saying they are taking a Skill cut is absurd. Fogged I would say is definately the most skilled player EG had but they used him as a support player for some reason (other players sucked at support I suppose). in HoN Fogged was one of thee best Offlane/Mids along with Korok and All of Fnatic. But for playing Support PPD is an amazing Warder/Laner. Zai is by far "another Arteezy" if we are going by age. Hes only 16 and hes won massive amounts of Tournies back in HoN and is by far the most Technically skilled of EG now. Once His Visage and Chen become Better I would put him at the top of 4 players. As for The Idra/Arteezy thing, Its not hard to see that Arteezy is by far a top 3 mid player. Hes not even that bad mannered and definately doesnt do stupid shit in tournaments. People seem to think if your good and "Bad mannered" you are the next idra. Arteezy doesn't rage quit tourney games nor throw on purpose if he sees something wrong. Much like every other Dota player (See ixmike or really anyone) they trash talk people over Twitter for fun and also Shit talk in Pubs, The thing about that is everyone does it in Dota 2. Also Though its not really related, People should watch out for JiggleBilly on Ehug along with MSS, Should be a good duo. whoa slow down there buddy. i'm not sure if you watch only the na scene but there are alot of things you've got wrong. arteezy doesn't make it top anything in terms of mid. nor does the unknown hon player who transitioned into dota 2. you would be discounting the likes of ferarri, fy, cty, mushi, dendi, yaphets, fear, etc. not to mention it seems you know NOTHING about who the mid champs in NA are. relic, uni, and those who are associated to those 2. i've been watching arteezy's sf and mid for a while and if it came down to 1v1s at this point i'd put good money i'd win against him. if he didn't beat relic? yeah there's no way he's going to beat the people who are better than relic. if we're talking about being a good mid player that works with the team well i'd agree with you, but in terms of technical 1v1 skill, he doesn't make the list rofl, please don't talk about topics you don't know, it's making you lose credibility. and 2nd, hon is NOT dota. yeah they're alike, doesn't mean the skill transfers. it's as laughable as the statement made by select when he joined dota 2 "there are things you can abuse with apm that people don't know about" and this comes from a guy who was at one point friends with select. the notion that skill in 1 similar game correlates to skill in another automatically is misguided. Well most people would disagree with you. Not quite sure who you are, but GrandGrant has been close to the NA pros for like a decade now. The fact that you seem to judge rtz's skill based on his pub games and discard other people's opinion as plain wrong is pretty funny to me. Just because someone has shown potential, doesnt mean he is as good as frequent proven potential like dendi, mushis etcetc. Proven and frequently shown isnt the same. Is rtz a one day fly, i dont think so but you cant compare him with the bignames yet.
He's a good player, a bit overated in my opinion. But defenitely okay to be in a top team! To say that he is one of the best solo mids etc is really exageration, he played like 10 games in a high level LAN, you need way more to compare him to Dendi, s4 or FATA
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On February 22 2014 19:39 saocyn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 08:20 GranDGranT wrote:On February 22 2014 08:01 SnowfaLL wrote:On February 22 2014 06:20 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Fear stepping down as captain in my view can only be a good thing. We've been through three or four EG incarnations that have suffered from a lack of leadership in game, and really it's been since Maelk was active that EG's coordination and tactics have matched their play in lanes. I do wonder about zai and ppd's skill level compared to Fogged and MSS, but ppd seems to have been the guy making the strat calls and keeping everything together for Sadboys, so even if there is a step down in skill it seems to be worth it. I suppose my biggest question is about rtz and whether his mouth will get him in trouble once he signs. ppd is a HoN vet, im sure his experience in running a team is more than most western players. Seems like EG wanted another polarizing "IdrA" type figure, and Arteezy is their selection. The similarities are quite striking. I'm positive EG as an organization took a huge hit when they fired IdrA (even if it needed to be done) I wouldnt put it quite that way even though its close (arteezy part). Also, Yes Peterpandam Started in HoN and was known as a scrub for a longgggg time but Sneyking stuck by his side for a long time and he began to get quite good, he played with sneyking/swindlemelonzz for probably 1-2 years and was by far the best support player by the time he decided to leave. I think there is actually VoDs of us playing HoN on my twitch channel. The fact you are saying they are taking a Skill cut is absurd. Fogged I would say is definately the most skilled player EG had but they used him as a support player for some reason (other players sucked at support I suppose). in HoN Fogged was one of thee best Offlane/Mids along with Korok and All of Fnatic. But for playing Support PPD is an amazing Warder/Laner. Zai is by far "another Arteezy" if we are going by age. Hes only 16 and hes won massive amounts of Tournies back in HoN and is by far the most Technically skilled of EG now. Once His Visage and Chen become Better I would put him at the top of 4 players. As for The Idra/Arteezy thing, Its not hard to see that Arteezy is by far a top 3 mid player. Hes not even that bad mannered and definately doesnt do stupid shit in tournaments. People seem to think if your good and "Bad mannered" you are the next idra. Arteezy doesn't rage quit tourney games nor throw on purpose if he sees something wrong. Much like every other Dota player (See ixmike or really anyone) they trash talk people over Twitter for fun and also Shit talk in Pubs, The thing about that is everyone does it in Dota 2. Also Though its not really related, People should watch out for JiggleBilly on Ehug along with MSS, Should be a good duo. whoa slow down there buddy. i'm not sure if you watch only the na scene but there are alot of things you've got wrong. arteezy doesn't make it top anything in terms of mid. nor does the unknown hon player who transitioned into dota 2. you would be discounting the likes of ferarri, fy, cty, mushi, dendi, yaphets, fear, etc. not to mention it seems you know NOTHING about who the mid champs in NA are. relic, uni, and those who are associated to those 2. i've been watching arteezy's sf and mid for a while and if it came down to 1v1s at this point i'd put good money i'd win against him. if he didn't beat relic? yeah there's no way he's going to beat the people who are better than relic. if we're talking about being a good mid player that works with the team well i'd agree with you, but in terms of technical 1v1 skill, he doesn't make the list rofl, please don't talk about topics you don't know, it's making you lose credibility. and 2nd, hon is NOT dota. yeah they're alike, doesn't mean the skill transfers. it's as laughable as the statement made by select when he joined dota 2 "there are things you can abuse with apm that people don't know about" and this comes from a guy who was at one point friends with select. the notion that skill in 1 similar game correlates to skill in another automatically is misguided.
Whoa dude, lets tone down the retard level a bit here.
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On February 22 2014 23:06 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 19:52 Mandalor wrote:On February 22 2014 19:39 saocyn wrote:On February 22 2014 08:20 GranDGranT wrote:On February 22 2014 08:01 SnowfaLL wrote:On February 22 2014 06:20 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Fear stepping down as captain in my view can only be a good thing. We've been through three or four EG incarnations that have suffered from a lack of leadership in game, and really it's been since Maelk was active that EG's coordination and tactics have matched their play in lanes. I do wonder about zai and ppd's skill level compared to Fogged and MSS, but ppd seems to have been the guy making the strat calls and keeping everything together for Sadboys, so even if there is a step down in skill it seems to be worth it. I suppose my biggest question is about rtz and whether his mouth will get him in trouble once he signs. ppd is a HoN vet, im sure his experience in running a team is more than most western players. Seems like EG wanted another polarizing "IdrA" type figure, and Arteezy is their selection. The similarities are quite striking. I'm positive EG as an organization took a huge hit when they fired IdrA (even if it needed to be done) I wouldnt put it quite that way even though its close (arteezy part). Also, Yes Peterpandam Started in HoN and was known as a scrub for a longgggg time but Sneyking stuck by his side for a long time and he began to get quite good, he played with sneyking/swindlemelonzz for probably 1-2 years and was by far the best support player by the time he decided to leave. I think there is actually VoDs of us playing HoN on my twitch channel. The fact you are saying they are taking a Skill cut is absurd. Fogged I would say is definately the most skilled player EG had but they used him as a support player for some reason (other players sucked at support I suppose). in HoN Fogged was one of thee best Offlane/Mids along with Korok and All of Fnatic. But for playing Support PPD is an amazing Warder/Laner. Zai is by far "another Arteezy" if we are going by age. Hes only 16 and hes won massive amounts of Tournies back in HoN and is by far the most Technically skilled of EG now. Once His Visage and Chen become Better I would put him at the top of 4 players. As for The Idra/Arteezy thing, Its not hard to see that Arteezy is by far a top 3 mid player. Hes not even that bad mannered and definately doesnt do stupid shit in tournaments. People seem to think if your good and "Bad mannered" you are the next idra. Arteezy doesn't rage quit tourney games nor throw on purpose if he sees something wrong. Much like every other Dota player (See ixmike or really anyone) they trash talk people over Twitter for fun and also Shit talk in Pubs, The thing about that is everyone does it in Dota 2. Also Though its not really related, People should watch out for JiggleBilly on Ehug along with MSS, Should be a good duo. whoa slow down there buddy. i'm not sure if you watch only the na scene but there are alot of things you've got wrong. arteezy doesn't make it top anything in terms of mid. nor does the unknown hon player who transitioned into dota 2. you would be discounting the likes of ferarri, fy, cty, mushi, dendi, yaphets, fear, etc. not to mention it seems you know NOTHING about who the mid champs in NA are. relic, uni, and those who are associated to those 2. i've been watching arteezy's sf and mid for a while and if it came down to 1v1s at this point i'd put good money i'd win against him. if he didn't beat relic? yeah there's no way he's going to beat the people who are better than relic. if we're talking about being a good mid player that works with the team well i'd agree with you, but in terms of technical 1v1 skill, he doesn't make the list rofl, please don't talk about topics you don't know, it's making you lose credibility. and 2nd, hon is NOT dota. yeah they're alike, doesn't mean the skill transfers. it's as laughable as the statement made by select when he joined dota 2 "there are things you can abuse with apm that people don't know about" and this comes from a guy who was at one point friends with select. the notion that skill in 1 similar game correlates to skill in another automatically is misguided. Well most people would disagree with you. Not quite sure who you are, but GrandGrant has been close to the NA pros for like a decade now. The fact that you seem to judge rtz's skill based on his pub games and discard other people's opinion as plain wrong is pretty funny to me. Just because someone has shown potential, doesnt mean he is as good as frequent proven potential like dendi, mushis etcetc. Proven and frequently shown isnt the same. Is rtz a one day fly, i dont think so but you cant compare him with the bignames yet.
That's fine and I totally agree. The guy I replied to just made it look like there are tons of players that are better at mid right now than Arteezy and after looking at his stream he's comfortable he can beat him 1on1.
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the guy claims he can beat rtz and personally knows select, no proof whatsoever. and then discards everyone elses opinions. rofl ok buds
i just hope now eg will let them keep the sadboys logo some way or another, it was just too funny to drop it now
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The thing that matters the most when it comes to Arteezy is that all the guys he has played with seem to think that he is at the very least close to the most mechanically skilled player they've played with, and that in his only LAN this far he played very well after the first day and won the entire thing. Making any judgements about his play based on his stream or even random sadboys official games is in my opinion very misguided, because he doesn't seem to care all that much and makes silly decisions (and often laughs about it beforehand). When they start facing the best European teams, and especially when they face other teams on LAN in the future, one can say how good he actually is.
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I don't know spudde. I have heard people say that they would put good money on saocyn to beat RTZ 1v1 SF. What is an LAN win over DK compared to that?
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Rofl. Overall it's strange how much value many people in this scene seem to put into online performances, many even cite pub performances as evidence. Coming from a cs 1.6 background, it was standard to think that only LAN matters, and there actually were some teams that were very mediocre online and constantly top3 on LAN. Nowadays sure internet issues are not as frequent and online play is more even, but dota has cross server play with huge pings. In addition teams play so many official games and when you take into account their practice games, it's no wonder that players may not be so into it and make stupid plays at times. The situation is totally different on LAN when everyone is trying their best, and Arteezy has a pretty solid record this far.
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Online performance kinda matter, I think, just because there are like four LAN tournaments a year. And in order to get into them, you have to win online qualifiers. If you have a consistent record of being unable to play online - Scarlett, for instance, is pretty bad in major online matches because her connection from her home in Canada is hilariously poor - then you'll have many fewer opportunities to play on LAN.
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EG curse, EG curse, EG curse.
Will history repeat itself?... I wonder.
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On February 23 2014 00:24 meemsbror wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 23:06 govie wrote:On February 22 2014 19:52 Mandalor wrote:On February 22 2014 19:39 saocyn wrote:On February 22 2014 08:20 GranDGranT wrote:On February 22 2014 08:01 SnowfaLL wrote:On February 22 2014 06:20 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Fear stepping down as captain in my view can only be a good thing. We've been through three or four EG incarnations that have suffered from a lack of leadership in game, and really it's been since Maelk was active that EG's coordination and tactics have matched their play in lanes. I do wonder about zai and ppd's skill level compared to Fogged and MSS, but ppd seems to have been the guy making the strat calls and keeping everything together for Sadboys, so even if there is a step down in skill it seems to be worth it. I suppose my biggest question is about rtz and whether his mouth will get him in trouble once he signs. ppd is a HoN vet, im sure his experience in running a team is more than most western players. Seems like EG wanted another polarizing "IdrA" type figure, and Arteezy is their selection. The similarities are quite striking. I'm positive EG as an organization took a huge hit when they fired IdrA (even if it needed to be done) I wouldnt put it quite that way even though its close (arteezy part). Also, Yes Peterpandam Started in HoN and was known as a scrub for a longgggg time but Sneyking stuck by his side for a ñlong time and he began to get quite good, he played with sneyking/swindlemelonzz for probably 1-2 years and was by far the best support player by the time he decided to leave. I think there is actually VoDs of us playing HoN on my twitch channel. The fact you are saying they are taking a Skill cut is absurd. Fogged I would say is definately the most skilled player EG had but they used him as a support player for some reason (other players sucked at support I suppose). in HoN Fogged was one of thee best Offlane/Mids along with Korok and All of Fnatic. But for playing Support PPD is an amazing Warder/Laner. Zai is by far "another Arteezy" if we are going by age. Hes only 16 and hes won massive amounts of Tournies back in HoN and is by far the most Technically skilled of EG now. Once His Visage and Chen become Better I would put him at the top of 4 players. As for The Idra/Arteezy thing, Its not hard to see that Arteezy is by far a top 3 mid player. Hes not even that bad mannered and definately doesnt do stupid shit in tournaments. People seem to think if your good and "Bad mannered" you are the next idra. Arteezy doesn't rage quit tourney games nor throw on purpose if he sees something wrong. Much like every other Dota player (See ixmike or really anyone) they trash talk people over Twitter for fun and also Shit talk in Pubs, The thing about that is everyone does it in Dota 2. Also Though its not really related, People should watch out for JiggleBilly on Ehug along with MSS, Should be a good duo. whoa slow down there buddy. i'm not sure if you watch only the na scene but there are alot of things you've got wrong. arteezy doesn't make it top anything in terms of mid. nor does the unknown hon player who transitioned into dota 2. you would be discounting the likes of ferarri, fy, cty, mushi, dendi, yaphets, fear, etc. not to mention it seems you know NOTHING about who the mid champs in NA are. relic, uni, and those who are associated to those 2. i've been watching arteezy's sf and mid for a while and if it came down to 1v1s at this point i'd put good money i'd win against him. if he didn't beat relic? yeah there's no way he's going to beat the people who are better than relic. if we're talking about being a good mid player that works with the team well i'd agree with you, but in terms of technical 1v1 skill, he doesn't make the list rofl, please don't talk about topics you don't know, it's making you lose credibility. and 2nd, hon is NOT dota. yeah they're alike, doesn't mean the skill transfers. it's as laughable as the statement made by select when he joined dota 2 "there are things you can abuse with apm that people don't know about" and this comes from a guy who was at one point friends with select. the notion that skill in 1 similar game correlates to skill in another automatically is misguided. Well most people would disagree with you. Not quite sure who you are, but GrandGrant has been close to the NA pros for like a decade now. The fact that you seem to judge rtz's skill based on his pub games and discard other people's opinion as plain wrong is pretty funny to me. Just because someone has shown potential, doesnt mean he is as good as frequent proven potential like dendi, mushis etcetc. Proven and frequently shown isnt the same. Is rtz a one day fly, i dont think so but you cant compare him with the bignames yet. He's a good player, a bit overated in my opinion. But defenitely okay to be in a top team! To say that he is one of the best solo mids etc is really exageration, he played like 10 games in a high level LAN, you need way more to compare him to Dendi, s4 or FATA
I see what you did there.
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On February 23 2014 09:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Online performance kinda matter, I think, just because there are like four LAN tournaments a year. And in order to get into them, you have to win online qualifiers. If you have a consistent record of being unable to play online - Scarlett, for instance, is pretty bad in major online matches because her connection from her home in Canada is hilariously poor - then you'll have many fewer opportunities to play on LAN.
His point was online performance is often a poor judgement of a player or team's skill. For example, Bamboe/Bone7's garbage computers, USW to Lux ping, and teams like Navi, Fnatic and TL who look completely different online/offline. Of course online performance matters in the strictest sense of the word, especially to teams and sponsors, but as a judgement of skill it's not a great indicator.
I'll reserve judgement on EG for now. Yeah, they've been crushing their opponents and have played TL/Empire and beaten them both, but it's happened time and again when a new team on the scene get good results early, especially coinciding with a new patch, only to fall flat later. LGD.int is the first to come to mind; hell, even QPAD won their first tourney with their void/kunkka strat. EG with bamboe looked really good for about 3 days, when liquid just got qojqva they looked unstoppable. Long term success is much harder when teams figure out your playstyle. Even speed's success at MLG, no one knew what to do vs rtz midas mid every game with random ass heroes for sing offlane and doom/clinkz carry not to mention speed was still a relatively new team at the time.
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On February 23 2014 11:58 Count9 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 09:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Online performance kinda matter, I think, just because there are like four LAN tournaments a year. And in order to get into them, you have to win online qualifiers. If you have a consistent record of being unable to play online - Scarlett, for instance, is pretty bad in major online matches because her connection from her home in Canada is hilariously poor - then you'll have many fewer opportunities to play on LAN. His point was online performance is often a poor judgement of a player or team's skill. For example, Bamboe/Bone7's garbage computers, USW to Lux ping, and teams like Navi, Fnatic and TL who look completely different online/offline. Of course online performance matters in the strictest sense of the word, especially to teams and sponsors, but as a judgement of skill it's not a great indicator.
Without intending offense, duh. But it's real easy to go too far in the 'it doesn't matter what happens online' direction. Online is where a lot of the money is, and it's a gatekeeper to all of the money - full stop - in the game. If you can't play well online, for whatever reason, be it motivation or technical reasons, then you are less valuable than an equally skilled player who can. That's been a lesson from Dota all the way back to like 2006.
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On February 23 2014 13:01 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 11:58 Count9 wrote:On February 23 2014 09:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Online performance kinda matter, I think, just because there are like four LAN tournaments a year. And in order to get into them, you have to win online qualifiers. If you have a consistent record of being unable to play online - Scarlett, for instance, is pretty bad in major online matches because her connection from her home in Canada is hilariously poor - then you'll have many fewer opportunities to play on LAN. His point was online performance is often a poor judgement of a player or team's skill. For example, Bamboe/Bone7's garbage computers, USW to Lux ping, and teams like Navi, Fnatic and TL who look completely different online/offline. Of course online performance matters in the strictest sense of the word, especially to teams and sponsors, but as a judgement of skill it's not a great indicator. Without intending offense, duh. But it's real easy to go too far in the 'it doesn't matter what happens online' direction. Online is where a lot of the money is, and it's a gatekeeper to all of the money - full stop - in the game. If you can't play well online, for whatever reason, be it motivation or technical reasons, then you are less valuable than an equally skilled player who can. That's been a lesson from Dota all the way back to like 2006.
Well... yes, if you have = skill at lan and < skill in online tourneys you're gonna be worth less than someone with = skill at lan and > skill in online tourneys... The more interesting question, and the relevant one, is do you take someone much better online than at lan or much better at lan than online. I'd take the latter every time as lan is a much more trying test and it's easier to get someone a PC or better ping or w/e problem they have at home sorted out than teach someone to focus through a crowd booing them or not tilting/how to ride the momentum. Plus the biggest tourneys all end in lans, and usually just qualifying doesn't take ridiculously good play whereas actually getting first place does.
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And yet this announcement is the direct result of EG losing in an online qualifier, and then failing to keep their composure and motivation in online events. It's EG, so someone who's got technical problems or connection issues isn't going to be a problem.
Motivation is definitely a thing though. EG is pretty close to having their Dota 2 division be a laughingstock, a joke. They don't have laurels to rest on. They need to win. Like, anything. LANs would be nice, but beggars can't be choosers. If Arteezy is Dendi, someone who raises his game for LANs but maintains a consistently high standard, that's awesome. I'm not saying he's not. I have no idea and neither does anyone else. But EG can't afford any more double-Blink-on-QoP-because-it's-funny shit. 2014 has to be a year where EG establishes themselves as actually mattering again. After that they can figure out how to optimize the roster for LANs; right now, it needs to be about winning whatever the hell they can.
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Of course online performances matter. But if one watches most of the games sadboys/eg plays, there are a lot of cross server games, a lot of games in MLG TKO or whatever league where the games at this stage of the competition don't even really matter, or some quarter finals in whatever Bigpoint Battle #999 (as an over the top example). My opinion is that one should put very little weight on performances in these games when people are talking whether a player or a team is good, when either there is nothing on the line or there is a massive ping difference. Yet there are people who watch Xboct dive the t3 in some Starseries regular season game with the t1 still up like he couldn't care less about the game, and then cite that as evidence when they say Xboct is not a reliable carry.
When there are qualifiers to important competitions, or pure online events with significant prize pools (and we are talking about later knockout rounds between good teams), yes I agree that the games do matter. However, I still would't use cross server games between Arteezy and others to decide whether Arteezy is better than someone 1v1.
To add to this, the reason I was talking about Arteezy being highly regarded by everyone who has played with him in a team is that it is a much more reliable way of assessing whether someone is really good than watching him in random games. If you play with someone every day, you will know whether he is really good or not.
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I don't really disagree, except to say that the main difference is this. Xboct can do whatever the fuck he wants online, because he's a two-time finalist and former winner of The International. Navi wins a ton of shit all the time, and when they aren't winning they're usually finishing pretty high up. So if Na'vi crashes out of an online tournament, most reasonable people kinda shrug and wait for the next one. And then The International happens and they make a deep run somehow. They have that pedigree.
EG's pedigree, for basically a year, has been mostly failure and choking. So the point I'm making is that EG really doesn't have the luxury of time with their lineups. They need results. They can't think of any of their matches as valueless. The instant the new lineup blows a lead against a weaker team, all the same jokes and questions about throwing and #hardwork will come back. And that's pretty bad for the brand.
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This argument is so stupid
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We can agree that rtz has the best playlists.
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Is Universe's #motivation in question?
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Apparently not enough #dedication
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Well you know, there has got to be someone out there with enough #dedication to fill in his spot.
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But will they #bleedblue?
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He just hasn't been putting the #hardwork that his teammates have so it is not surprising.
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Congrats, SADBOYS! Do work. EG fighting~
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