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On February 25 2011 22:54 eviltomahawk wrote:IMO, the best case scenario would be if Blizzard makes WCG an exception for OGN and if Samsung retracts their demands to not feature Blizzard games. Heck, I think Samsung was quite childish in their demands since it's obvious that everyone loses if WCG drops Blizzard games.
Imo if blizzard makes an exception WCG an exception for OGN, they'd put themselves in a bad situation as far as the court case goes, whereas if it was Samsung/OGN that gave in, it'd put OGN/MBC in a bad spot.
The only solution would be Samsung allowing blizzard games withough their being broadcast in Korea, but it's not in their interest as a company whatsoever, not to mention they're part of KeSPA.
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don't see how this can turn out with a positive outcome, seeing how this stuff's being disputed in court already. i'm also scratching my head as to how wcg is supposed to happen at all without blizzard games.
someone's gonna have to make some serious compromises, or come up with a genius solution
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I hope that somehow this gets resolved, but as someone said in this thread earlier, there's alot of RTS' out there that could use some attention, badly.
I doubt the WCG will pick up after the loss of BW and WC3/DotA, though 
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Fuck yeah Samsung
Won't miss sc2, and since BW foreigner scene is dead.....
At least there's still CS to watch.
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This is a really complicated and delicate situation.
I can't blame Samsung for this. At least it shows Samsung is pretty committed to the brood war scene and protecting its interest in e-sport.
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No Koreans on WCG, finnaly chance for non-korean to win StarCraft BW ? :D
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I really doubt WCG 2011 are going to be held in Pusan. I heard rumors about China or a possible southern european country (nothing official though)
And WCG and Samsung like Blizzard games, problem is with the OGN broadcast. WCG is a specific branch of Samsung and they were hit hard by the crisis before WCG 2010 grand finals, that s why the prize pool was decrease 2 weeks prior to the event.
I really hope WCG 2011 will be a decent one, because it s always nice to go to this event, but i also do hope to see BW or SC2 and to have CS players far away from the others (because they are very noisy)
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No Koreans on BW? A chance to win for me this time. g2g prepare
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They are killing their own event if they exclude 3 of the most popular games.They should probably drop samsung and find a different sponser.
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Vatican City State2594 Posts
This will be the death of WCG to serious RTS players everywhere. On top of that they plan to host in Korea. It's like a slap in the face.
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"Beyond The Game" now has a new meaning.
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Maybe Sony or Microsoft would be interested in picking up WCG. But yeah, Blizzard is sitting pretty here. Either Samsung pays Blizzard and hurts the court case for Kespa against Blizzard or they kill their Starcraft/Warcraft scene and that audience goes to other places like MLG, GOM and NASL which already has Blizzard support. Kespa/Samdung kinda did this to themselves (in regards to WCG).
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I actually never watched WCG, but what games are usually played there other than WC3 and BW? I heard about the qualifiers for my country last year, but didn't even check what games they had.
EDIT: Never mind. I should probably Google it and read. Sorry for wasting space.
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On February 25 2011 22:05 aupstar wrote:
Why should Samsung pay blizzard to advertise their games?
Sounds a bit ridiculous to me...
Well, WCG also advertises Samsung I suppose. And without those three games, WCG will be shit, viewer numbers will drop and there goes the advertisement value.
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And the war escalates. Le sigh.
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On February 26 2011 00:17 Kibibit wrote:
And the war escalates. Le sigh.
Chin up man,everyone knows that its was going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.
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what a shame, starcraft won't be played @ one of the biggest venues of esports, blizzard should be ashamed of themselves
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On February 25 2011 18:25 Whitewing wrote:
Blizzard filed the lawsuit because KESPA and other organizations were refusing to recognize their property rights. In other words, in the mind of Blizzard, they were stealing.
If I made this hugely popular game, and an organization decided to host tournaments, put it on T.V., and make money off the game without consulting me, asking for permission to use the game to earn money, or even recognizing that the game belongs to me, I'd be pissed and probably sue too.
I thought the main reason was not because the tv stations didn't pay any money to blizzard, but that actually KESPA demanded money from the tv stations for broadcasting the BW games?
Anyways, everything's a huge mess in the commercial esports world in Korea, so of course having the event take place in Korea in such a stormy time of the Korean esports scene is a bad idea. They should've postponed the WCG in Korea and instead let it take place in some other country. Who came up with that idea anyways?
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On February 26 2011 00:08 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:Kespa/Samdung kinda did this to themselves (in regards to WCG).
...What?
Both sides brought this shitstorm, not just KeSPA/Samsung.
Pro/Con for KeSPA/Samsung: Lawsuit situation. Either way. Samsung doesn't support WCG, no biggie for South Koreans as they know they'll rape SC and possibly WC3. If they support, lawsuit will go towards Blizzard's side.
Pro/Con for Blizzard: If WCG doesn't have Blizzard games, then Blizzard products won't be advertised everywhere, but like you said, there are still strong fan basis off WCG so it wouldn't be a problem. If WCG has Blizzard games, better for Blizzard.
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On February 26 2011 00:25 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 18:25 Whitewing wrote:
Blizzard filed the lawsuit because KESPA and other organizations were refusing to recognize their property rights. In other words, in the mind of Blizzard, they were stealing.
If I made this hugely popular game, and an organization decided to host tournaments, put it on T.V., and make money off the game without consulting me, asking for permission to use the game to earn money, or even recognizing that the game belongs to me, I'd be pissed and probably sue too. I thought the main reason was not because the tv stations didn't pay any money to blizzard, but that actually KESPA demanded money from the tv stations for broadcasting the BW games? Anyways, everything's a huge mess in the commercial esports world in Korea, so of course having the event take place in Korea in such a stormy time of the Korean esports scene is a bad idea. They should've postponed the WCG in Korea and instead let it take place in some other country. Who came up with that idea anyways?
No, the issue wasn't that KeSPA demanded money for broadcasting BW, because they did not. They get money for broadcasting Proleague, which is different from BW (they never demanded any money for OSL or MSL, because they didn't take part in creating it etc.).
The issue was that blizzard were like "either you give us control of everything or else we take our toys and go home". And by "everything" I mean thing like scheduling, VODs, maps, and even players and teams.
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