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On October 25 2010 22:53 kojinshugi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 22:49 Originalien wrote: Gay people should fucking clue on to the fact that u come onto a straight person in such a manner, OF ANY AGE you are liable to get ur head punched in. Im not saying this is gay bashing, im saying , CONFIRM they are gay before making a move on them So do you confirm that women are straight before making a move on them? If not, it's perfectly fine for them to punch your head in?
EXACTLY - YES IT IS FINE for a women to punch me in the head if i try and unbutton her pants without even asking. There is a process to getting to the point of taking of a womens pants, and it generally involves speaking to them 1st, Finding out if they like u 2nd, Kissing Them to see if they like you on that level 3rd, Then INVITING THEM to your house or what ever 4th. See there is quite a few steps to getting into anyones pants.....
YES i do confirm there sexual oriention via CONVERSATION with set women before trying anything with them, its called CHATTING THEM UP
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On October 25 2010 22:53 kojinshugi wrote: So do you confirm that women are straight before making a move on them?
Why the hell wouldn't you? Do you realize how wrong it would be if you didn't?
On October 25 2010 22:49 Originalien wrote: Gay people should fucking clue on to the fact that u come onto a straight person in such a manner, OF ANY AGE you are liable to get ur head punched in. Im not saying this is gay bashing, im saying , CONFIRM they are gay before making a move on them
That goes for all people, btw, whether they are straight or not. Meaning: You should check they like you (as in you SPECIFICALLY) in that way before you make a move on them. That involves confirming the other person's sexual orientation, among other things (such as whether or not they are actually attracted to you, which, to the dismay of many people, Gundam ignored to do).
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On October 25 2010 22:58 Originalien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 22:53 kojinshugi wrote:On October 25 2010 22:49 Originalien wrote: Gay people should fucking clue on to the fact that u come onto a straight person in such a manner, OF ANY AGE you are liable to get ur head punched in. Im not saying this is gay bashing, im saying , CONFIRM they are gay before making a move on them So do you confirm that women are straight before making a move on them? If not, it's perfectly fine for them to punch your head in? EXACTLY - YES IT IS FINE for a women to punch me in the head if i try and unbutton her pants without even asking. There is a process to getting to the point of taking of a womens pants, and it generally involves speaking to them 1st, Finding out if they like u 2nd, Kissing Them to see if they like you on that level 3rd, Then INVITING THEM to your house or what ever 4th. See there is quite a few steps to getting into anyones pants..... Skipping those 4 + steps is possible in two ways: money or force. Neither should be legal imo.
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As someone who is gay, I have to say, there is no other side to see in this story. If everything happened the way LoveRip says it did, then Gundam is 100% in the wrong. What happened to LoveRip was awful, and I feel quite bad for him.
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Korea (South)1897 Posts
I read every post, so here is my summary of points.
1. MT is members training, not members trip ^^ but who cares when the guys is saying Motel.
2. Idra, that cracked me up, cause (a) I couldn't believe you actually wrote that (b) it was funny- take the temp ban on the chin like a man! keke (c) I'll buy you a beer and introduce myself formally next time we meet.
3.mod edit: this is not the BW progamer V-Gundam, in case people are wondering! I WAS WONDERING, we lived together for a bit and I was like wtf is this, there ain't no way it's him..
4. Koreans suicide as a 'gg on life' or to take on the financial or legal blame of others (in the case of money lenders or prosecution', or in rare cases as a protests against some injustice against them (to bring the authorities to investigate or to ensure there will be a heavier sentence against the accuser when/if they are prosecuted themselves); Additionally, the modern reasons for suicide in both Korea and Japan are due to extreme competitive pressures and not for traditional honour in either case, thus the uber high rates in modern times. But, I don't know in Japan, but in Korea then even form suicide communities/forums to meet up with people to end their lives together. Korea is a modern day sick competitive Sparta where only the mentally strong survive regardless of class or money (but that helps a hellva lot, but even the Samsung's chairman's daughter committed suicide a few years back-but that was out of a forbidden love issue-she was in love with the driver or something to those lines..)
5.THIS IS 100% MOLESTATION why?? In Korea, men, we shower with each other, walk around naked with each other, scrub each others backs and even get other grown men to take towels and scrub our entire naked bodies with it and soap, not to mention we attack each other's bum holes with sticks and try to smack each other in the nuts every once in a while (that's a phase though) and on the more romantic side, we hold hands when we sit together, we hug each other, we fall asleep on each others laps when we are tired, I personally force my dong-sengs (little brothers) to kiss me on the cheek when they see me and we give each other massages on the bed and also feed each other when we go drinking and are drunk but normally just give some gogi (bbq meat) on their plate, and we sleep in the same bed together. DOES THIS NOT SOUND GAY? Yes to westerners and probably everyone else in the world, but to Korean guys, its how we are just close and express our love and friendship and comfortable feelings with one another.
So when a kids says, he was molested, DAMN HE WAS, because when we do all these things, there is this feeling of being comfortable and the state of male bonding, we call it 'uri' - like the love of men's friendship between men, so its not GAY, its uri, but he don't feel the uri and some guy is touching his zipper and has gay porn on his comp, the entire feeling of uri is stripped away and he feels GREAT BETRAYAL and VIOLATION. Its like the biggest shock in the entire world on so many levels especially as you guys know, when they are in the pro-gaming sukso(training house) they live and eat and train together 24 hours and its every day, the team is your family. I can't explain it more than that, but if you guys came to korea, you'd think we're all gay, but actually our population is mostly straight and while we have some visible gay community and a trans sexual community, we aren't walking around with hard-on in these massive saunas with a hundred guys naked at any given time.
BUT THE MAIN POINT IS: The kid was violated on so many levels and if he was my little brother and at 15, I would beat the fuck out of the weRRAGundam for not being gay or bi, but for doing that and the fact that he is 32, so he knows what the fuck is up.
So the fact that this kid comes out and says it, the way Korean society works is, this kid has to be telling the truth, you just can't lie or exaggerate something like in Korea society, its so damaging and a no win situation on both sides, you can only say it if 100% its true; and why he says it in public post or whatever, I don't know except that I think he says it because, its not so much the molestation that is an issue (not that it isn't a major issue that starts it all), but it is simply a cry of desperation because he realizes that he just totally fucked up his life by joining this team and dropping out of high school (although I am sure his reaction was in a trauma/panic state); and so, he posts about it because his entire life seems to have no further options.
Now his life does have some options, we all know that, and he will be able to recover if he is mentally strong enough, but if the allegations were false, there would have been massive outrage and bashing from the weRRe clan, not people quiting. In Korea, it is a criminal offense to slander in public with the sentencing being jail, no shit, if you slander and have no grounds, even if you are an anonymous poster, the Korean federal cyber police will track you down, throw you in court and charge your ass. So it is extremely serious and you don't think that some of the people quiting may not have been molested as well and are really quitting because they don't want to have to address this question and just rather give an excuse they don't want to be associated with being gay?
6. It's a fucking serious issue on all levels
Irda ^^
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'On October 25 2010 20:12 Eddie.Aus wrote:Show nested quote +no ones bashing gay people in here, stop crying wolf and creating a non existent problem. It's the discourse that a few people use that I think is gay bashing, using words like pedo when the kid is 15/16, 'very sick people', 'gruesome'. I think we need to find Gundams age to verify the level of angst we should really be feeling here. Also I am biased, cos im gay. Im living in japan this year, so i know what its like to be gay, be gay in asia and have more insight than non gays into what is or isnt a problem for me/'us'. Also Gay is the new Black so i appreciate what your saying about crying wolf. I just can't stop crying untill I feel equal. Edit: Got a line from Google saying hes 32, can anyone confirm? -- This is a significant age difference, and yes, makes it a worse and more 'gruesome' crime. I just hope that the words people use to flame and vilify gundamwerra, however justified dont focus too much on just the fact that he is a man and did this crime to a young male.
gay is the new black? wtf are you talking about man, I can't tell if youre serious or not. Trying to force your idea of "opening people's minds" to things they haven't thought of before relating to gay culture is not the thing to do in this thread.
long sentence yep
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Denmark4608 Posts
On October 26 2010 00:59 MightyAtom wrote: I read every post, so here is my summary of points.
1. MT is members training, not members trip ^^ but who cares when the guys is saying Motel.
2. Idra, that cracked me up, cause (a) I couldn't believe you actually wrote that (b) it was funny- take the temp ban on the chin like a man! keke (c) I'll buy you a beer and introduce myself formally next time we meet.
3.mod edit: this is not the BW progamer V-Gundam, in case people are wondering! I WAS WONDERING, we lived together for a bit and I was like wtf is this, there ain't no way it's him..
4. Koreans suicide as a 'gg on life' or to take on the financial or legal blame of others (in the case of money lenders or prosecution', or in rare cases as a protests against some injustice against them (to bring the authorities to investigate or to ensure there will be a heavier sentence against the accuser when/if they are prosecuted themselves); Additionally, the modern reasons for suicide in both Korea and Japan are due to extreme competitive pressures and not for traditional honour in either case, thus the uber high rates in modern times. But, I don't know in Japan, but in Korea then even form suicide communities/forums to meet up with people to end their lives together. Korea is a modern day sick competitive Sparta where only the mentally strong survive regardless of class or money (but that helps a hellva lot, but even the Samsung's chairman's daughter committed suicide a few years back-but that was out of a forbidden love issue-she was in love with the driver or something to those lines..)
5.THIS IS 100% MOLESTATION why?? In Korea, men, we shower with each other, walk around naked with each other, scrub each others backs and even get other grown men to take towels and scrub our entire naked bodies with it and soap, not to mention we attack each other's bum holes with sticks and try to smack each other in the nuts every once in a while (that's a phase though) and on the more romantic side, we hold hands when we sit together, we hug each other, we fall asleep on each others laps when we are tired, I personally force my dong-sengs (little brothers) to kiss me on the cheek when they see me and we give each other massages on the bed and also feed each other when we go drinking and are drunk but normally just give some gogi (bbq meat) on their plate, and we sleep in the same bed together. DOES THIS NOT SOUND GAY? Yes to westerners and probably everyone else in the world, but to Korean guys, its how we are just close and express our love and friendship and comfortable feelings with one another.
So when a kids says, he was molested, DAMN HE WAS, because when we do all these things, there is this feeling of being comfortable and the state of male bonding, we call it 'uri' - like the love of men's friendship between men, so its not GAY, its uri, but he don't feel the uri and some guy is touching his zipper and has gay porn on his comp, the entire feeling of uri is stripped away and he feels GREAT BETRAYAL and VIOLATION. Its like the biggest shock in the entire world on so many levels especially as you guys know, when they are in the pro-gaming sukso(training house) they live and eat and train together 24 hours and its every day, the team is your family. I can't explain it more than that, but if you guys came to korea, you'd think we're all gay, but actually our population is mostly straight and while we have some visible gay community and a trans sexual community, we aren't walking around with hard-on in these massive saunas with a hundred guys naked at any given time.
BUT THE MAIN POINT IS: The kid was violated on so many levels and if he was my little brother and at 15, I would beat the fuck out of the weRRAGundam for not being gay or bi, but for doing that and the fact that he is 32, so he knows what the fuck is up.
So the fact that this kid comes out and says it, the way Korean society works is, this kid has to be telling the truth, you just can't lie or exaggerate something like in Korea society, its so damaging and a no win situation on both sides, you can only say it if 100% its true; and why he says it in public post or whatever, I don't know except that I think he says it because, its not so much the molestation that is an issue (not that it isn't a major issue that starts it all), but it is simply a cry of desperation because he realizes that he just totally fucked up his life by joining this team and dropping out of high school (although I am sure his reaction was in a trauma/panic state); and so, he posts about it because his entire life seems to have no further options.
Now his life does have some options, we all know that, and he will be able to recover if he is mentally strong enough, but if the allegations were false, there would have been massive outrage and bashing from the weRRe clan, not people quiting. In Korea, it is a criminal offense to slander in public with the sentencing being jail, no shit, if you slander and have no grounds, even if you are an anonymous poster, the Korean federal cyber police will track you down, throw you in court and charge your ass. So it is extremely serious and you don't think that some of the people quiting may not have been molested as well and are really quitting because they don't want to have to address this question and just rather give an excuse they don't want to be associated with being gay?
6. It's a fucking serious issue on all levels
Irda ^^
Thank you for this post MightAtom, I think this cleared some very important points for us. We puny westerners have no idea (in most cases) how Korean culture/society works outside of Starcraft and are quick to throw our own moral and cultural standards into play. I had no idea about this term "uri". Very interesting, thank you again sir.
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people need to learn what the age of consent means, yes there was unwanted sexual contact but since the age of consent is 14 in korea (unsure is if its 14kr or 14 western), and the boy is 16 Korean (15 western?)
It doesnt violate the sexual contact with a minor under 13 law.
It does however violate the coercion of sexual acts of a minor under 19
But people need to learn some reading comprehension because this is just embarrassing, and if you go by the US age of consent that diffrers from state to state 14-18, with the age of consent at 14 having some rules.
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On October 26 2010 00:48 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 22:58 Originalien wrote:On October 25 2010 22:53 kojinshugi wrote:On October 25 2010 22:49 Originalien wrote: Gay people should fucking clue on to the fact that u come onto a straight person in such a manner, OF ANY AGE you are liable to get ur head punched in. Im not saying this is gay bashing, im saying , CONFIRM they are gay before making a move on them So do you confirm that women are straight before making a move on them? If not, it's perfectly fine for them to punch your head in? EXACTLY - YES IT IS FINE for a women to punch me in the head if i try and unbutton her pants without even asking. There is a process to getting to the point of taking of a womens pants, and it generally involves speaking to them 1st, Finding out if they like u 2nd, Kissing Them to see if they like you on that level 3rd, Then INVITING THEM to your house or what ever 4th. See there is quite a few steps to getting into anyones pants..... Skipping those 4 + steps is possible in two ways: money or force. Neither should be legal imo.
Disagree with money, hookers been around for 10,000 years or more, some women have no talents and now way to survive, its their choice its their bodys who are you to say they cant do that???
It has a place in society too, its an outlet for male desires and without that outlet it would be bad for scoiety...
Any place that has made prostitution illegal suffers from prostitures getting abused, murdered etc. Its unsafe for them when u make it illegal. U legalize it, it makes it so they are safe, the johns are safe because the hookers are not diseased and diseases in general arnt being spread randomly......
Seriously, the concept of illegalizing things like prostitution ( and drugs ) , or anything that is a PERSONAL FREEDOM and not hurting others in the process of doing it, is a retarded concept that is self destructive to society......
Treat others how u want to be treated , golden rule of the world. I dont want kunts telling me what to do when it has nothing to do with them...... So i dont tell people what to do in their life when it dosnt hurt me or anyone else...
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On October 26 2010 00:59 MightyAtom wrote: I read every post, so here is my summary of points.
Thanks MightyAtom.
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Damn that is awful stuff. :/ I mean wtf...
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Just gently reminding people I'm not backing Gundam up or supporting his actions in any way
Thank you for embarrassing Australia Originalien, you have some growing up to do.
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NOOOOOO WeRRa was my favoriteee clan in WC3, everyone was so good/cool and had the sickest names and the best (imo) tag of any guild..
god damn idiots abusing positions of trust/power. please reform werra, without this Gundam person =/ poor kid he sounds SO messed up, dropped out of hs for that... fuck.
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On October 26 2010 02:11 Originalien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 00:48 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On October 25 2010 22:58 Originalien wrote:On October 25 2010 22:53 kojinshugi wrote:On October 25 2010 22:49 Originalien wrote: Gay people should fucking clue on to the fact that u come onto a straight person in such a manner, OF ANY AGE you are liable to get ur head punched in. Im not saying this is gay bashing, im saying , CONFIRM they are gay before making a move on them So do you confirm that women are straight before making a move on them? If not, it's perfectly fine for them to punch your head in? EXACTLY - YES IT IS FINE for a women to punch me in the head if i try and unbutton her pants without even asking. There is a process to getting to the point of taking of a womens pants, and it generally involves speaking to them 1st, Finding out if they like u 2nd, Kissing Them to see if they like you on that level 3rd, Then INVITING THEM to your house or what ever 4th. See there is quite a few steps to getting into anyones pants..... Skipping those 4 + steps is possible in two ways: money or force. Neither should be legal imo. Disagree with money, hookers been around for 10,000 years or more, some women have no talents and now way to survive, its their choice its their bodys who are you to say they cant do that??? It has a place in society too, its an outlet for male desires and without that outlet it would be bad for scoiety... Any place that has made prostitution illegal suffers from prostitures getting abused, murdered etc. Its unsafe for them when u make it illegal. U legalize it, it makes it so they are safe, the johns are safe because the hookers are not diseased and diseases in general arnt being spread randomly...... Seriously, the concept of illegalizing things like prostitution ( and drugs ) , or anything that is a PERSONAL FREEDOM and not hurting others in the process of doing it, is a retarded concept that is self destructive to society...... Treat others how u want to be treated , golden rule of the world. I dont want kunts telling me what to do when it has nothing to do with them...... So i dont tell people what to do in their life when it dosnt hurt me or anyone else...
I respect your opinion on prostitution, but mine is justdifferent ( too tired too explain the viewpoint). Thats why I wrote "imo" At least we agree on the second part.
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This is so horrible. I feel like crying when I read this. Only 15... dropped out of high school... Oh my ;(
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On October 25 2010 22:58 Originalien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 22:53 kojinshugi wrote:On October 25 2010 22:49 Originalien wrote: Gay people should fucking clue on to the fact that u come onto a straight person in such a manner, OF ANY AGE you are liable to get ur head punched in. Im not saying this is gay bashing, im saying , CONFIRM they are gay before making a move on them So do you confirm that women are straight before making a move on them? If not, it's perfectly fine for them to punch your head in? EXACTLY - YES IT IS FINE for a women to punch me in the head if i try and unbutton her pants without even asking. There is a process to getting to the point of taking of a womens pants, and it generally involves speaking to them 1st, Finding out if they like u 2nd, Kissing Them to see if they like you on that level 3rd, Then INVITING THEM to your house or what ever 4th. See there is quite a few steps to getting into anyones pants..... YES i do confirm there sexual oriention via CONVERSATION with set women before trying anything with them, its called CHATTING THEM UP
you invite them to your house? i do it baller style in the car.
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yeah, im not suprised, the one member of the werra team that i met was openly gay.
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5.THIS IS 100% MOLESTATION why?? In Korea, men, we shower with each other, walk around naked with each other, scrub each others backs and even get other grown men to take towels and scrub our entire naked bodies with it and soap, not to mention we attack each other's bum holes with sticks and try to smack each other in the nuts every once in a while (that's a phase though) and on the more romantic side, we hold hands when we sit together, we hug each other, we fall asleep on each others laps when we are tired, I personally force my dong-sengs (little brothers) to kiss me on the cheek when they see me and we give each other massages on the bed and also feed each other when we go drinking and are drunk but normally just give some gogi (bbq meat) on their plate, and we sleep in the same bed together. DOES THIS NOT SOUND GAY? Yes to westerners and probably everyone else in the world, but to Korean guys, its how we are just close and express our love and friendship and comfortable feelings with one another.
is this true in china too? every chinese guy i've met (not including chinese-americans who were raised here) has no concept of personal space
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On October 26 2010 05:06 trotskyist wrote: yeah, im not suprised, the one member of the werra team that i met was openly gay. Yes because being gay totally means you're going to molest a 15 year old.
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