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Original post, with some information gathered from user posts at Fomos
SK Terran. What does that invoke in your mind?
Maybe the legendary Terran line of SKT T1 - Boxer, Oov, Midas, Canata, and Fantasy.
And maybe the Bionic/Vessels style of play that restored Terran after July's dominance against the traditional Bionic.
That's what I thought when I saw a post at Fomos asking what's the origin of SK Terran. The responses, however, totally surprised me.
http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=know&wr_id=8736
Above thread translated:
Question - What's the definition and origin of SK Terran?
Answers
- Back in the day, a Terran user named SKOOO dominated Battle.net against Zerg, using numerous Vessels. Countless Bionic units and Vessels made Defilers almost useless. On the TV match, Oov for the first time famously used the strategy against July at a map named Into the Darkness and won. Thereafter, the strategy became known as SK Terran, named after the first two letters of SKOOO.
- Isn't it SK Terran because of SoulKey?
- His ID was something like Soulkey
- I think SoulKey was the origin. The traditional Bionic added with a lot of fast-moving Vessels that help kill the opponent
Translation ended.
SoulKey? Anybody else heard that player before? I immediately looked him up at TeamLiquid.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/401_SoulKey
Not the most profiled player. Yet, all the answers at Fomos, whose users are usually very knowledgeable about SC, point at him as the originator of Bionic/Vessels style of play that is still heavily used by Terran users.
I am always fascinated by this kind of historical information and wonder what are these hidden innovators of SC are doing nowadays.
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hm, I wonder who SKOOO is, unless he's SoulKey?
I need to learn how to play this way, my tanks keep dying T_T
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
I thought everyone knew this lol
A player by the ID SoulKey used it, but being micro-intensive, it wasn't used well until Nada starting using it and raped zergs left right and center.
But then again, SKOOO? I suspect that's SoulKey
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yeah I think the consensus here is SK stands for SoulKey, not SKT
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Uhm, yeah, Boxer wasn't the one that made SK Terran.
It was SoulKey, he wrote a book about how cost effective marine medic and vessels are against zerg.
And I think this has been already covered in old topics around here..
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Soulkey was the pioneer. Nada brought it into the limelight. A lot like how DT/sair came from Daezang, reaver/sair came from Nal_ra but they are both normal PvZ builds now.
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On May 23 2009 01:59 Gliche wrote:
Soulkey was the pioneer. Nada brought it into the limelight. A lot like how DT/sair came from Daezang, reaver/sair came from Nal_ra but they are both normal PvZ builds now.
you forgot Forge FE and 12 nexus.
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
Aah.. the days when every Protoss went 1 gate core/2 gate core... =(
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On May 23 2009 02:02 konadora wrote:
Aah.. the days when every Protoss went 1 gate core/2 gate core... =(
in PvT?
I think there was a time where that "one size fits all" build was destroyed by Oov (?)
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On May 23 2009 02:01 SilverSkyLark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 01:59 Gliche wrote:
Soulkey was the pioneer. Nada brought it into the limelight. A lot like how DT/sair came from Daezang, reaver/sair came from Nal_ra but they are both normal PvZ builds now. you forgot Forge FE and 12 nexus.
I'm not sure who first did those
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
I meant 1 gate play against Z, lol what on earth was I thinking :3
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On May 23 2009 02:04 Gliche wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 02:01 SilverSkyLark wrote:On May 23 2009 01:59 Gliche wrote:
Soulkey was the pioneer. Nada brought it into the limelight. A lot like how DT/sair came from Daezang, reaver/sair came from Nal_ra but they are both normal PvZ builds now. you forgot Forge FE and 12 nexus. I'm not sure who first did those
I'm sure about nal_rA pioneering Forge FE, but he wasn't able to immortalize it against Zerg.........
and I'm 50% sure he started 12 nexus against Terran
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I don't think anyone thinks of Boxer when they think of SK Terran.
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On May 23 2009 02:32 koreasilver wrote:
I don't think anyone thinks of Boxer when they think of SK Terran.
Atleast not on this forum. Hmm it's interesting that even very obscure players have had such a profound effect on the strategy of the game.
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Yeah... SoulKey, thus "SK" Terran. I thought everyone knew that.
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is awesome32281 Posts
I remember Kingdom going 14 Nex a lot, not sure if he was the first though.
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yeah it was SoulKey, that why we call bionic as "SK"
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I thought this was common knowledge?
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I like to eat my poptarts with the frosting side face down so my tongue gets the full force of a big-bang of flavor.
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United States4126 Posts
I remember first learning that it was Soulkey, but I wonder who SKOOO is O_o
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On May 23 2009 02:51 Zozma wrote:
Yeah... SoulKey, thus "SK" Terran. I thought everyone knew that.
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whats the "old" style of tvz? I take it just bio with tanks and a vessel or two?
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On May 23 2009 03:53 Amarxist wrote:
I like to eat my poptarts with the frosting side face down so my tongue gets the full force of a big-bang of flavor.
wtf???
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On May 23 2009 03:53 Amarxist wrote:
I like to eat my poptarts with the frosting side face down so my tongue gets the full force of a big-bang of flavor.
I somehow Lol ed at that
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I first thought it was SK Terran because someone from SKT1 invented it. Would've made sense since both Boxer and Oov are in SKT1.
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The map of that oov vs July game is actually "Into the Darkness", right?
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United States20666 Posts
Why is there a thread on this every couple months.
Anyway, question answered. Kim Seul-Ki's invention, popularized and termed "Perfect TvZ" by NaDa until he lost to sAviOr in UZOO (I think?) after which people stopped calling it invincible.
Unless something novel and interesting comes up in this thread, I'm closing it.
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Belgium6779 Posts
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Now that you mentioned it I never really thought much about what SK stood for for that strategy, i always thought it was the damn team lol
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This is a well known fact, it's called SK Terran after Soul Key not SKT.
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On May 23 2009 03:53 Amarxist wrote:
I like to eat my poptarts with the frosting side face down so my tongue gets the full force of a big-bang of flavor.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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On May 23 2009 07:48 KnightOfNi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 03:53 Amarxist wrote:
I like to eat my poptarts with the frosting side face down so my tongue gets the full force of a big-bang of flavor. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
I think he posted in the wrong topic or something.
I thought everyone know that SK stood for soulkey.
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On May 23 2009 07:51 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 07:48 KnightOfNi wrote:On May 23 2009 03:53 Amarxist wrote:
I like to eat my poptarts with the frosting side face down so my tongue gets the full force of a big-bang of flavor. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I think he posted in the wrong topic or something. I thought everyone know that SK stood for soulkey.
What is your favorite style of french-fry from In&Out?
I like well done fries the most and animal style second.
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On May 23 2009 07:51 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 07:48 KnightOfNi wrote:On May 23 2009 03:53 Amarxist wrote:
I like to eat my poptarts with the frosting side face down so my tongue gets the full force of a big-bang of flavor. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I think he posted in the wrong topic or something. I thought everyone know that SK stood for soulkey.
No, I was showing my genuine interest in educating the denizens of this forum on the origins of Starcraft terminology. Also, Poptarts are a clear cut integral part of gaming, you cretin.
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much like how sauron zerg is named for the foreigner player sauron.. although it certainly fits.
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Ehh... I don't really like the idea that someone 'invented' a combination of units. Popularized, maybe, but what the hell? The only time it's really clear someone invented a strat is if it's hugely map specific and uses some fancy timing or building placement... If it's just a combination of units... It's probably been done ten million times over while people were still generally picking their units at random to win games.
Don't get me wrong. I like calling it SK Terran too. I used to think it meant South Korean since it's kind of a hard micro intensive way to play and it made me feel like a baller to do it.
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On May 23 2009 08:01 Chef wrote:
Ehh... I don't really like the idea that someone 'invented' a combination of units. Popularized, maybe, but what the hell? The only time it's really clear someone invented a strat is if it's hugely map specific and uses some fancy timing or building placement... If it's just a combination of units... It's probably been done ten million times over while people were still generally picking their units at random to win games.
Don't get me wrong. I like calling it SK Terran too. I used to think it meant South Korean since it's kind of a hard micro intensive way to play and it made me feel like a baller to do it.
When i read "so and so invented..." in context to a set of units or a build order, it reminds me of when old people try to tell me stories of when they were my age.
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wow whenever i thought of SK terran i thought SK was from the teams name SKT1 then i thought of boxer o.o but i guess i wont anymore lol
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
On May 23 2009 03:53 Amarxist wrote:
I like to eat my poptarts with the frosting side face down so my tongue gets the full force of a big-bang of flavor.
What the.. hell?
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normally2 rax couple tanks and vessel off 1 base was before sk terran or fast expand builds
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yup how we can win game now have to thank those inventer. they reflect how matchup are play now even is 9 or 10years ago. after replenish the strategy is well rounded n good to go!
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On May 23 2009 07:55 anotak wrote:
much like how sauron zerg is named for the foreigner player sauron.. although it certainly fits.
Wait, Seriously?
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Actually I didn't know what SK really meant until I looked it up somewhere in TL.....I think it's one of the Terran vs Zerg guides around....
anyway, the title of this thread is kinda misleading.
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On May 23 2009 01:59 Gliche wrote:
Soulkey was the pioneer. Nada brought it into the limelight. A lot like how DT/sair came from Daezang, reaver/sair came from Nal_ra but they are both normal PvZ builds now.
all made popular by Bisu, of course
^_^
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besides, sk terran really only works if the zerg player doesn't effectively scout first with ovie, since the 2rax into academy is almost a sure sign. sk terran mainly relies on 1base, since the gas production wouldnt be that intensive unless you switch to more vessels late game, which requires expansions
it's a quite simple and easy-to-counter build nowadays, with lurks, guards, and that kind of shit. but it was one of the terran's best arsenals back then.
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On May 23 2009 09:44 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 07:55 anotak wrote:
much like how sauron zerg is named for the foreigner player sauron.. although it certainly fits. Wait, Seriously?
half and half, half because it was actually named after the foreigner, but another half because sauron-style almost immediately refers to one of the oldest maps, dark sauron (or some shit like that)
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How many times does this question need to be asked? Hopefully everyone who doesnt know the origin of SK terran will read this thread so we dont have to see another one in 2 months.
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Baa?21247 Posts
On May 23 2009 03:28 Cambium wrote:
I thought this was common knowledge?
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United States2186 Posts
On May 23 2009 10:57 Disintegrate wrote:
besides, sk terran really only works if the zerg player doesn't effectively scout first with ovie, since the 2rax into academy is almost a sure sign. sk terran mainly relies on 1base, since the gas production wouldnt be that intensive unless you switch to more vessels late game, which requires expansions
it's a quite simple and easy-to-counter build nowadays, with lurks, guards, and that kind of shit. but it was one of the terran's best arsenals back then.
I'm not sure what bizarre time warped world you're living in, but SK terran has never been 'easy to counter' unless your name was Savior. The SK terran that Nada used was fueled by 2 gases. T's only opened 2 rax acad cc back then because Zergs were still opening 2 hatch lurker and strategies hadn't evolved enough yet. SK terran now is fueled off of 1 rax cc or 14cc. Not really that much of a difference. Flash has been using it pretty frequently over the past half year to great success.
On May 23 2009 08:01 Chef wrote:
Ehh... I don't really like the idea that someone 'invented' a combination of units. Popularized, maybe, but what the hell? The only time it's really clear someone invented a strat is if it's hugely map specific and uses some fancy timing or building placement... If it's just a combination of units... It's probably been done ten million times over while people were still generally picking their units at random to win games.
Don't get me wrong. I like calling it SK Terran too. I used to think it meant South Korean since it's kind of a hard micro intensive way to play and it made me feel like a baller to do it.
Nobody cares about how some average newbie 'invented' any build back in 1999.
The entire point of inventing a build is the mindset behind it, whether it be map specific or not. That's why all the bozos who think the fantasy build wasn't invented in 2008 by iloveoov but is just bringing back an older build are wrong, because the fantasy build is entirely geared at beating 3 hatch muta, a modern invention. If some random person used it in 2002 vs 2 hatch lurker or whatever it would be a completely different build than the 2008 one.
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Interesting question:
Are builds based on mindsets or on the order and effect of resources spent?
Or both?
Discuss and debate!
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On May 23 2009 09:44 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 07:55 anotak wrote:
much like how sauron zerg is named for the foreigner player sauron.. although it certainly fits. Wait, Seriously?
And maynarding your workers comes from the foreigner Maynard (at least I think so), sadly the phrase is dying
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On May 23 2009 01:59 Gliche wrote:
Soulkey was the pioneer. Nada brought it into the limelight. A lot like how DT/sair came from Daezang, reaver/sair came from Nal_ra but they are both normal PvZ builds now.
Dt/sair predates Daezang and reaver/sair predates rA. The two are pioneers not because they were the first to use those combinations (and they weren't, not by a long shot) but because of the novel way they used them.
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