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KOFgokuon
United States14910 Posts
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On April 30 2009 09:22 KOFgokuon wrote: I'm pretty sure I read that he said he basically fouled him hard on purpose trying to fuck up his shot "I was going for the ball," said Rondo, "but Miller, I don't know, he's probably 290 [pounds], maybe more than that. I'm a little guy, so I had to go for the foul hard. I wasn't trying to take a guy out or hit his head. "But I think he took it up in his right hand and I tried to make sure he couldn't finish. I may have hit him in the head, but I went through his arm first, trying to get to the ball and make sure he couldn't get a 2-point shot up. "I'm not a dirty player, I'm just coming out there and trying to give him a hard foul, nothing flagrant." Link I don't buy Rondo's explanation because you can see clearly that he did not go "through his arm first, trying to get the ball". He never got anywhere near Miller's head and any player would be able to tell that he had no chance of getting the ball from where he was. I think the portions of the quote that do hold some truth are where he says "I'm a little guy, so I had to go for the foul hard," and "I tried to make sure he couldn't finish." He'll never admit it because it could potentially harm his team's chances at winning the next game, but I'm almost certain that Rondo was trying to do whatever he could to stop Miller from making that layup, even if it involved making no play on the ball and just swinging to hit him any way he could. P.S. The only reason Rondo wasn't given a flagrant on that play is because Miller's a big guy. I guarantee if that kind of foul had been inflicted on a smaller player, i.e. Rondo, Gordon, Rudy Fernandez, etc., that the refs would've immediately called it a flagrant and everyone would be up in arms about how dirty it was (including Boston fans). | ||
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triangle
United States3803 Posts
But it's the refs job to make the calls on that, and they didn't. So Rondo gets away with it, and of course will never admit to it. Boston lucks out, and we go to game 6. | ||
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
Well hopefully Orleans can win a game tonight | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 30 2009 05:54 sixghost wrote: Come on Xeris, stop telling others about their lack of basketball knowledge when you aren't even describing the play correctly. 1) He got to the basket pretty open, and got his layup off in time before anyone could have made a legitmate play on the ball 2) He got mugged before he released the shot 3) An open drive is always better than a jumpshot Just watch the play dude. If you still believe what you said then I don't know what to say to you, other than you are looking back at the play through hindsight. It wasn't an open drive x_x A clear path to the lane doesn't equal an open drive. Like I said before and like Xeris said the main problem with the setup is that Brad Miller is SLOW. If he would have taken the shot and missed I doubt many NBA coaches and experts would have been upset. Brad Miller is a lethal shooter from mid range and he's known for being able to consistently hit. Bad luck that he drove but oh well - it didn't really spoil a great game by both teams. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On April 30 2009 07:14 XaI)CyRiC wrote: 3. Miller did the right thing by driving to the basket. The reason why you do that in that situation is because you either get a layup or you get fouled and shoot two FTs. Both are preferable to taking a mid-range jumpshot. Also, as others have said, Miller was WIDE open for his drive to the basket. But for Rondo's flagrant foul (yes, I will always refer to it as such) he would have had an easy layup. . I disagree. This is too general of a statement. In general it's better to get a layup in that situation. Specifically for Brad Miller. You guys don't seem to understand how fucking bad this guy is off the dribble and it frightens me. | ||
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On April 30 2009 12:13 Ace wrote: It wasn't an open drive x_x A clear path to the lane doesn't equal an open drive. Like I said before and like Xeris said the main problem with the setup is that Brad Miller is SLOW. If he would have taken the shot and missed I doubt many NBA coaches and experts would have been upset. Brad Miller is a lethal shooter from mid range and he's known for being able to consistently hit. Bad luck that he drove but oh well - it didn't really spoil a great game by both teams. It's pretty common to see Brad Miller drive to the basic at least 1 time a game. It usually happens if someone closes out to fast when he's open for a jumpshot. I agree he's slow as shit, but he does drive to the basket quite a bit. I don't know what else you could mean by an open drive. There was no one even close to him when he got the ball, and he was already in the air by the time Rondo was within reaching distance of him. | ||
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On April 30 2009 12:21 Xeris wrote: I disagree. This is too general of a statement. In general it's better to get a layup in that situation. Specifically for Brad Miller. You guys don't seem to understand how fucking bad this guy is off the dribble and it frightens me. It's not too general of a statement because that is exactly what happened on the play. No one on the Celtics was able to make a legitmate play on the ball, and the only way anyone could have contested the shot was by fouling him. If the foul hadn't been so hard he had a great chance at either making the layup and even the possibility of 3 points if Rondo fouls him less severely. | ||
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
Statistically it's clearly wrong. Proof by mathematics. People are just applying a common basketball maxim "you have to take those open jumpshots" inappropriately. Ok, same game Stephon Marbury gets a pass for a wide open corner 3. He turns it down, dribbles a little, makes a little pass to Rondo who has to take a deeply contested airball. That is the correct time to say, "you have to take those open jumpshots". A straw man argument: let's say you're brad miller and inside the circle. Your opponent promises on the life of their children that they will let you walk back 20 feet and take an uncontested jumpshot, but if you go for a dunk/layup they will try to d/foul you. They're too far away to block a layup if you shoot reasonably fast, although they will be able to foul you barely in time. Do you a) go for the layup or b) walk back 20 feet and take the jumpshot? Superceding the maxim take open jumpshots is that you take quality shots. A layup is statistically a better shot. Edit: Ah! Must not descend into forum bickering! | ||
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
ray allen is pretty cool | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On April 30 2009 15:15 OneOther wrote: who else hates boston celtics/doc rivers/rajon rondo/paul pierce/kevin garnett/fatdrick perkins ray allen is pretty cool http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/?p=10986 Sums it up pretty well. P.S. I read somewhere that KG was screaming at Miller, calling him a choker after he missed the first freethrow after the flagrant foul. Classy. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
So what if he yells at a guy for missing a free throw and calling him a choker? It's a mental thing. It happens all the time on the court so seriously - who cares? It happens all the time and it just seems like something because everyone has been on KGs case lately. | ||
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
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TheMusiC
United States1054 Posts
![[image loading]](http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3367/3486259412_ccd98267d2.jpg?v=0) "i'm gonna eat your kids, then i'm gonna skin you alive and eat you too" | ||
BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
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