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On April 28 2009 14:15 Slaughter)BiO wrote:
Well From what I was seeing the entire team was taking bad shots because they thought they could get away with it due to their lead, except they missed/turned it over while utah was making shots. When they get up the lakers players seem to get a bit selfish, taking shots with players all over them instead of hitting the open man. Hell you even heard Phil yelling at them for BALL MOVEMENT in one of their late TO.
Yep, but on the other hand, Ariza and Odom are shooting alot better.
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i thought there was gonna be a big fight at the end of the LA-Utah game.
Also to those people who are over reacting and does not know what over-hyped means:
I didnt say he is not a good player. He is. He is just "OVERHYPED". I know it has been posted by someone before my post but he is not a good defender. You get tricked by all his steals and say he is a good defender, HE IS NOT. He gambles alot, thats why he gets steals. And thats also why he is always being killed by point guards who are better than him. He totally didnt deserve to be 2nd in MVP voting last year. I mean cmon, above lebron? and I dont even like lebron.
And my point about the teammate stuff is this. He would not have gotten all this attention if: Peja was not suck a very good shooter, Chandler was not such an athletic player, and West not a good Midrange shooter. And if everything fails, he cant carry his team. Unlike, say, Kobe or Lebron. I have nothing against CP3, he is just overhyped. Real MVPs who carry there team dont have a line of 4 points 6 assist and 6 turnovers in a Playoff match where you basically lose the series if you lose the game and in there homecourt too.
edit: lol this is probably the longest post i have typed on TL. congrats me.
That being said, LETS GO BULLS!!!
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On April 28 2009 14:40 iLoveKTF wrote:
i thought there was gonna be a big fight at the end of the LA-Utah game.
Also to those people who are over reacting and does not know what over-hyped means:
I didnt say he is not a good player. He is. He is just "OVERHYPED". I know it has been posted by someone before my post but he is not a good defender. You get tricked by all his steals and say he is a good defender, HE IS NOT. He gambles alot, thats why he gets steals. And thats also why he is always being killed by point guards who are better than him. He totally didnt deserve to be 2nd in MVP voting last year. I mean cmon, above lebron? and I dont even like lebron.
And my point about the teammate stuff is this. He would not have gotten all this attention if: Peja was not suck a very good shooter, Chandler was not such an athletic player, and West not a good Midrange shooter. And if everything fails, he cant carry his team. Unlike, say, Kobe or Lebron. I have nothing against CP3, he is just overhyped. Real MVPs who carry there team dont have a line of 4 points 6 assist and 6 turnovers in a Playoff match where you basically lose the series if you lose the game and in there homecourt too.
edit: lol this is probably the longest post i have typed on TL. congrats me.
That being said, LETS GO BULLS!!!
even though i agree with you that chris paul is not on the level of kobe bryant or lebron james, his role/burden for the team is as heavy as anyone in the NBA. do you really think paul has a better supporting cast than kobe and lebron? i am a huge kobe fan, but he's surrounded by talent: gasol, ariza, bynum, odom, and so on. he has other guys on the team who can attract double-teams. and then lebron has williams, west, big z, and varejo. i would take both of these supporting casts over paul's.
in the end, however, chris paul did not step up when he needed to. those numbers are not acceptable for a superstar, especially in the playoffs.
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dude cp3 is a completely different player compared to lebron or kobe...he's never gonna avg huge scoring numbers the way they do simply because that's not his role on the team...he's supposed to get everyone involved (obviously because he's at the point)...im no cp3 fan but you don't have to score to be able to carry your team (which is how your post comes across)...he's a fascilitator and he scores when he has to...
the reason why he was up there in the mvp race last season was because the hornets were playing really well...take away cp3 and the hornets probably wouldn't have made the playoffs...mvp candidate? i think so
who knows cp3 may never win a championship, but with regards to his poor performance, one must fail before succeeding
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On April 28 2009 14:02 OneOther wrote:
lakers, are you kidding me? from 22 to 6 points?
they just stopped playing at the end ... they were like "omg these newbs wont GG, im gonna go afk and jerk off"
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These posts blasting Paul are just stupid. Granted, his size hurts his ability to defend a lot, but he also happened to get matched up against he worst possible PG in the league for him to guard. Also, people should keep track of just how much he has to do for his team. There is NO offense for NOR unless Paul creates it, so his burden on that end of the floor is greater than almost any player in the league. With that heavy of a load, and carrying a team that has suffered through injuries and a non-existent bench, you can't use his struggles in one playoff series to suddenly say he's overrated. Paul is a damn good PG, arguably the best right now.
Oh, and anyone who attempts to compare him to players like Kobe or Lebron are showing how little understanding they have of the game. Paul's role for his team and his style of play are COMPLETELY different from both of those players, and that's not something that should be used to criticize him or hold him in any lower esteem. I'm not even that big of a fan of Paul, but the posts in the past two pages have been way off the mark.
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On April 28 2009 15:17 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
These posts blasting Paul are just stupid. Granted, his size hurts his ability to defend a lot, but he also happened to get matched up against he worst possible PG in the league for him to guard. Also, people should keep track of just how much he has to do for his team. There is NO offense for NOR unless Paul creates it, so his burden on that end of the floor is greater than almost any player in the league. With that heavy of a load, and carrying a team that has suffered through injuries and a non-existent bench, you can't use his struggles in one playoff series to suddenly say he's overrated. Paul is a damn good PG, arguably the best right now.
Oh, and anyone who attempts to compare him to players like Kobe or Lebron are showing how little understanding they have of the game. Paul's role for his team and his style of play are COMPLETELY different from both of those players, and that's not something that should be used to criticize him or hold him in any lower esteem. I'm not even that big of a fan of Paul, but the posts in the past two pages have been way off the mark.
You seemed to misunderstand my point when I compared Paul to Lebron or Kobe (Although my post seemed unclear too). My point is that, in a very crucial playoff game(like what NO just had), do you see Lebron or Kobe or anybody in the league who have been discussed in mvp voting or something have that kind of game that paul did? No. He didnt step up when a superstar is supposed to.
And why are you saying his size hurts his ability to defend? Its not like he is guarding 7 footers man. He also has an OK(i meant not thin but idk what word to use) body.
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On April 28 2009 15:17 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
These posts blasting Paul are just stupid. Granted, his size hurts his ability to defend a lot, but he also happened to get matched up against he worst possible PG in the league for him to guard. Also, people should keep track of just how much he has to do for his team. There is NO offense for NOR unless Paul creates it, so his burden on that end of the floor is greater than almost any player in the league. With that heavy of a load, and carrying a team that has suffered through injuries and a non-existent bench, you can't use his struggles in one playoff series to suddenly say he's overrated. Paul is a damn good PG, arguably the best right now.
Oh, and anyone who attempts to compare him to players like Kobe or Lebron are showing how little understanding they have of the game. Paul's role for his team and his style of play are COMPLETELY different from both of those players, and that's not something that should be used to criticize him or hold him in any lower esteem. I'm not even that big of a fan of Paul, but the posts in the past two pages have been way off the mark.
agreed. Chris Paul is a different kind of player. Kobe and LeBron are the type of people who, if their team is playing terribly, can turn around and score 50 to make it a competitive game.. Chris Paul can't do that... he can play his heart out, but if his team isn't in sync, he looks bad. He can make the most amazing passes, and get no assists if his teammates don't hit their shots. Sure he had a lot of turnovers, but well, so has Kobe, LeBron, and Wade in the playoffs so far ... the ENTIRE Hornets team was just so out of it, Chris Paul had a bad game, but he also just simply does not have the ability to dominate a game at the offensive end to have made it a game all by himself - he is a small point guard, not a bigger 2-3 guard who can score 50/game if he needs to.
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On to another topic: Ben Gordon is listed as day to day... T_T
Gordon is competitive though I expect him to play.
LETS GO BULLS!
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On April 28 2009 15:31 iLoveKTF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 15:17 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
These posts blasting Paul are just stupid. Granted, his size hurts his ability to defend a lot, but he also happened to get matched up against he worst possible PG in the league for him to guard. Also, people should keep track of just how much he has to do for his team. There is NO offense for NOR unless Paul creates it, so his burden on that end of the floor is greater than almost any player in the league. With that heavy of a load, and carrying a team that has suffered through injuries and a non-existent bench, you can't use his struggles in one playoff series to suddenly say he's overrated. Paul is a damn good PG, arguably the best right now.
Oh, and anyone who attempts to compare him to players like Kobe or Lebron are showing how little understanding they have of the game. Paul's role for his team and his style of play are COMPLETELY different from both of those players, and that's not something that should be used to criticize him or hold him in any lower esteem. I'm not even that big of a fan of Paul, but the posts in the past two pages have been way off the mark. You seemed to misunderstand my point when I compared Paul to Lebron or Kobe (Although my post seemed unclear too). My point is that, in a very crucial playoff game(like what NO just had), do you see Lebron or Kobe or anybody in the league who have been discussed in mvp voting or something have that kind of game that paul did? No. He didnt step up when a superstar is supposed to. And why are you saying his size hurts his ability to defend? Its not like he is guarding 7 footers man. He also has an OK(i meant not thin but idk what word to use) body.
Chris Paul's too small to be a good man defender, particularly versus stronger (billups) or longer (deron williams) point guards. Chauncey Billups is 6'3 202 lbs. Chris Paul is 6' with shoes and 175 lbs, and he might have over-reported his height. Chauncey Billups can post up on Chris Paul, Chris Paul's too weak to push back and his quickness only helps if he goes for a steal.
Chris Paul's 3" shorter and has 2" less wingspan than Deron Williams. If Williams goes for a jumper, he has 4" and initiative. Paul might be a better defender than AI though.
Chris Paul this season is shooting .503%, .364 at 3 point range, .849 ft%. His True shooting % is 59.9%. Lebron is 59.1, Kobe is 56.1. He's the league leader in assists and steals. (2.77 steals per game, Dwayne Wade is 2nd at 2.19) and has nearly double the rebounding of deron williams. I think he was averaging 13 assists per game mid season.
Chris Paul does more for his team than Kobe. When Kobe's in jump shooter mode, most teams do not double team him, they just try to defend well and hope for the best. Paul creates a lot of ball movement and easy baskets. When Kobe or Lebron drive, then they help their team by collapsing the defense and kicking it out, but Chris Paul drives as well, albeit with pure speed.
And yes, Kobe and Lebron did have games where they didn't step up. Kobe game 3 in Utah, Kobe for much of the Boston series, Lebron for much of the Boston series. Tim Duncan game 3 this year. Jordan had games like that too.
And finally for Deron Williams fans, Paul handles the ball a lot more than William.
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On April 28 2009 16:25 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 15:31 iLoveKTF wrote:On April 28 2009 15:17 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
These posts blasting Paul are just stupid. Granted, his size hurts his ability to defend a lot, but he also happened to get matched up against he worst possible PG in the league for him to guard. Also, people should keep track of just how much he has to do for his team. There is NO offense for NOR unless Paul creates it, so his burden on that end of the floor is greater than almost any player in the league. With that heavy of a load, and carrying a team that has suffered through injuries and a non-existent bench, you can't use his struggles in one playoff series to suddenly say he's overrated. Paul is a damn good PG, arguably the best right now.
Oh, and anyone who attempts to compare him to players like Kobe or Lebron are showing how little understanding they have of the game. Paul's role for his team and his style of play are COMPLETELY different from both of those players, and that's not something that should be used to criticize him or hold him in any lower esteem. I'm not even that big of a fan of Paul, but the posts in the past two pages have been way off the mark. You seemed to misunderstand my point when I compared Paul to Lebron or Kobe (Although my post seemed unclear too). My point is that, in a very crucial playoff game(like what NO just had), do you see Lebron or Kobe or anybody in the league who have been discussed in mvp voting or something have that kind of game that paul did? No. He didnt step up when a superstar is supposed to. And why are you saying his size hurts his ability to defend? Its not like he is guarding 7 footers man. He also has an OK(i meant not thin but idk what word to use) body. Chris Paul's too small to be a good man defender, particularly versus stronger (billups) or longer (deron williams) point guards. Chauncey Billups is 6'3 202 lbs. Chris Paul is 6' with shoes and 175 lbs, and he might have over-reported his height. Chauncey Billups can post up on Chris Paul, Chris Paul's too weak to push back and his quickness only helps if he goes for a steal. Chris Paul's 3" shorter and has 2" less wingspan than Deron Williams. If Williams goes for a jumper, he has 4" and initiative. Paul might be a better defender than AI though. Chris Paul this season is shooting .503%, .364 at 3 point range, .849 ft%. His True shooting % is 59.9%. Lebron is 59.1, Kobe is 56.1. He's the league leader in assists and steals. (2.77 steals per game, Dwayne Wade is 2nd at 2.19) and has nearly double the rebounding of deron williams. I think he was averaging 13 assists per game mid season. Chris Paul does more for his team than Kobe. When Kobe's in jump shooter mode, most teams do not double team him, they just try to defend well and hope for the best. Paul creates a lot of ball movement and easy baskets. When Kobe or Lebron drive, then they help their team by collapsing the defense and kicking it out, but Chris Paul drives as well, albeit with pure speed. And yes, Kobe and Lebron did have games where they didn't step up. Kobe game 3 in Utah, Kobe for much of the Boston series, Lebron for much of the Boston series. Tim Duncan game 3 this year. Jordan had games like that too. I agree with all of this. Comparisons between those three are ridiculous and CP3 was absolutely deserving to be in that MVP race. I think I even said he should get it. But his defense is what it is, and you can't defend him by saying "if he were bigger..." He's not bigger, he's got a small body which prevents him from being a good defender.
And finally for Deron Williams fans, Paul handles the ball a lot more than William.
This is also unfortunately true. I'm not sure why the Jazz just use him for entry and then take him out of the play so much. There were a lot of open shots he could've taken in the beginning of that game.
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On April 28 2009 16:25 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 15:31 iLoveKTF wrote:On April 28 2009 15:17 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
These posts blasting Paul are just stupid. Granted, his size hurts his ability to defend a lot, but he also happened to get matched up against he worst possible PG in the league for him to guard. Also, people should keep track of just how much he has to do for his team. There is NO offense for NOR unless Paul creates it, so his burden on that end of the floor is greater than almost any player in the league. With that heavy of a load, and carrying a team that has suffered through injuries and a non-existent bench, you can't use his struggles in one playoff series to suddenly say he's overrated. Paul is a damn good PG, arguably the best right now.
Oh, and anyone who attempts to compare him to players like Kobe or Lebron are showing how little understanding they have of the game. Paul's role for his team and his style of play are COMPLETELY different from both of those players, and that's not something that should be used to criticize him or hold him in any lower esteem. I'm not even that big of a fan of Paul, but the posts in the past two pages have been way off the mark. You seemed to misunderstand my point when I compared Paul to Lebron or Kobe (Although my post seemed unclear too). My point is that, in a very crucial playoff game(like what NO just had), do you see Lebron or Kobe or anybody in the league who have been discussed in mvp voting or something have that kind of game that paul did? No. He didnt step up when a superstar is supposed to. And why are you saying his size hurts his ability to defend? Its not like he is guarding 7 footers man. He also has an OK(i meant not thin but idk what word to use) body. Chris Paul's too small to be a good man defender, particularly versus stronger (billups) or longer (deron williams) point guards. Chauncey Billups is 6'3 202 lbs. Chris Paul is 6' with shoes and 175 lbs, and he might have over-reported his height. Chauncey Billups can post up on Chris Paul, Chris Paul's too weak to push back and his quickness only helps if he goes for a steal. Chris Paul's 3" shorter and has 2" less wingspan than Deron Williams. If Williams goes for a jumper, he has 4" and initiative. Paul might be a better defender than AI though. Chris Paul this season is shooting .503%, .364 at 3 point range, .849 ft%. His True shooting % is 59.9%. Lebron is 59.1, Kobe is 56.1. He's the league leader in assists and steals. (2.77 steals per game, Dwayne Wade is 2nd at 2.19) and has nearly double the rebounding of deron williams. I think he was averaging 13 assists per game mid season. Chris Paul does more for his team than Kobe. When Kobe's in jump shooter mode, most teams do not double team him, they just try to defend well and hope for the best. Paul creates a lot of ball movement and easy baskets. When Kobe or Lebron drive, then they help their team by collapsing the defense and kicking it out, but Chris Paul drives as well, albeit with pure speed. And yes, Kobe and Lebron did have games where they didn't step up. Kobe game 3 in Utah, Kobe for much of the Boston series, Lebron for much of the Boston series. Tim Duncan game 3 this year. Jordan had games like that too. And finally for Deron Williams fans, Paul handles the ball a lot more than William.
i agree with pretty much all of this
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On April 28 2009 14:40 iLoveKTF wrote:
i thought there was gonna be a big fight at the end of the LA-Utah game.
Also to those people who are over reacting and does not know what over-hyped means:
I didnt say he is not a good player. He is. He is just "OVERHYPED". I know it has been posted by someone before my post but he is not a good defender. You get tricked by all his steals and say he is a good defender, HE IS NOT. He gambles alot, thats why he gets steals. And thats also why he is always being killed by point guards who are better than him. He totally didnt deserve to be 2nd in MVP voting last year. I mean cmon, above lebron? and I dont even like lebron.
And my point about the teammate stuff is this. He would not have gotten all this attention if: Peja was not suck a very good shooter, Chandler was not such an athletic player, and West not a good Midrange shooter. And if everything fails, he cant carry his team. Unlike, say, Kobe or Lebron. I have nothing against CP3, he is just overhyped. Real MVPs who carry there team dont have a line of 4 points 6 assist and 6 turnovers in a Playoff match where you basically lose the series if you lose the game and in there homecourt too.
edit: lol this is probably the longest post i have typed on TL. congrats me.
That being said, LETS GO BULLS!!!
Oh, ok I get your point. Yeah you're right, MVP's can carry the team and CP3 isn't there (yet). And watching the highlights, he got killed by screens, that double screen by Nene was so funny, Paul looks so short compared to him and couldn't get around him.
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Boston / Chicago series is absolutely amazing
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Since Brown is from MSU I have to love that he finally seems to have found a place and a role on a great team.
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I fully expect the sixers to lose tonight, but it was a good un
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As I thought, Denver is having little trouble with New Orleans. I'm not as impressed as the rest of you seem to be in the Rockets / Blazers series. I think Rockets are going to get pulverized by the Lakers, even with the Lakers looking like they are on cruise control in most games.
Denver will finish off the Hornets and then should be able to put away the Mavs. A Denver / LAL West Finals would actually be interesting.
Too bad Ben Gordon will not be 100% (if he can play at all) against Celtics. It's still anyones guess as to which team will take the series, but I think both teams are getting too beaten up to make it to Championship this year. I think Celtics will pull out the win.
WEST - Round 2 predictions
LAL > Rockets 4 -1
Denver > Dallas 4 - 2
In the East, teams are slugging it in closer series.
EAST - Round 1 predictions
Orlando > Phili
Celtics > Bulls
Hawks > Heat
EAST - Round 2 predictions
Cavs > Hawks 4 - 1
Celtics > Orlando 4 - 3
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rofl utah got so pissed off at the lakers & the refs. Tempur tantrums were all over the place rofl
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Denver is overrated man :/
I think they are the worst team out of Denver/Portland/Houston to face the Lakers. They are gonna get SMASHED.
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On April 29 2009 00:41 Ace wrote:
Denver is overrated man :/
I think they are the worst team out of Denver/Portland/Houston to face the Lakers. They are gonna get SMASHED.
I was pretty surprised they had the second best record in the West but they are playing alot better during the end of regular season and now playoffs.
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