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Personally I disagree. The only reason that Orlando won against LA in the regular season was because Jameer Nelson exploded in the 2nd half. Let's take a look at the matchups:
PG - Alston v. Fisher (or Farmar/Brown) : Personally I think Alston has the edge over Fisher, but possibly not vs Farmar or Shannon Brown. He's quick like Aaron Brooks but not nearly as fast or as good of a finisher at the basket. He shoots better than Brooks though. This is PROBABLY a slight edge for Orlando.
SG - Courtney Lee / Pietrus v. Ariza : Ariza will be able to handle either of these guys... this is approximately even (since they can defend Ariza very well too). Although Orlando would probably cross matchup and stick Lee/Pietrus on Kobe and have Turkoglu defend Ariza.
SF - Turkoglu v. Kobe : Kobe can lock him down. He's a much better 1on1 defender than LeBron. Don't expect Turkoglu to be making game winners and clutch shots against LA.
PF - Lewis v. Odom/Gasol : Gasol is quick enough, but Lewis has an edge over Gasol I think. However, Odom can defend him very well, they match up perfectly. Odom has the right mix of size+strength+speed to be able to defend the 3 and stop him from playing the post game.
C - Howard v. Bynum/Gasol : Obviously an edge for Dwight here... but he WILL NOT score 30/game.
Overall : I think that at the Center Orlando has a big advantage, and a small one at the PG. Dwight won't get 30 per game, and Alston won't hit 6 3's per game. Other than that... the Lakers match up extremely well against Orlando. I don't know where you guys think Orlando is very scary against the Lakers comes from. If they had Jameer Nelson it's a different story though.
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United States4471 Posts
On May 30 2009 02:19 Xeris wrote:
Personally I disagree. The only reason that Orlando won against LA in the regular season was because Jameer Nelson exploded in the 2nd half. Let's take a look at the matchups:
PG - Alston v. Fisher (or Farmar/Brown) : Personally I think Alston has the edge over Fisher, but possibly not vs Farmar or Shannon Brown. He's quick like Aaron Brooks but not nearly as fast or as good of a finisher at the basket. He shoots better than Brooks though. This is PROBABLY a slight edge for Orlando.
SG - Courtney Lee / Pietrus v. Ariza : Ariza will be able to handle either of these guys... this is approximately even (since they can defend Ariza very well too). Although Orlando would probably cross matchup and stick Lee/Pietrus on Kobe and have Turkoglu defend Ariza.
SF - Turkoglu v. Kobe : Kobe can lock him down. He's a much better 1on1 defender than LeBron. Don't expect Turkoglu to be making game winners and clutch shots against LA.
PF - Lewis v. Odom/Gasol : Gasol is quick enough, but Lewis has an edge over Gasol I think. However, Odom can defend him very well, they match up perfectly. Odom has the right mix of size+strength+speed to be able to defend the 3 and stop him from playing the post game.
C - Howard v. Bynum/Gasol : Obviously an edge for Dwight here... but he WILL NOT score 30/game.
Overall : I think that at the Center Orlando has a big advantage, and a small one at the PG. Dwight won't get 30 per game, and Alston won't hit 6 3's per game. Other than that... the Lakers match up extremely well against Orlando. I don't know where you guys think Orlando is very scary against the Lakers comes from. If they had Jameer Nelson it's a different story though.
I don't think the matchups are necessarily the problem, so much as the style of play. The Lakers have appeared to me throughout the season as having struggled to defend 3pt shooting well. The way their defense is set up, they overload with a strongside zone to stop penetration and post scoring, but then they often get lost or confused on rotating to 3pt shooters once the ball is reversed. A team like Orlando, who moves the ball well around the perimeter and has so many good 3pt shooters, can potentially cause major problems for the Lakers on defense. The Lakers may adjust their defense to account for that, but I fear that their struggles to keep quick guards (Alston and Lee) out of the paint, their inability to guard Dwight 1on1 (if Bynum was 100% I would worry much less), and guard the pick and roll (which Turk and DHow run all the time) will cause them problems.
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The only advantage I see Orlando having is at the 5. Like Xeris said, Odom can guard Lewis, and there is no way in fucking hell Kobe will allow Turkoglu to run around freely.
I'm looking at which team will be more physical considering both LA and Orlando are finesse teams.
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Alston's sort of a rock head. He probably could do a lot in the paint, but he's content to shoot contested 3's. I don't see a point guard advantage for the magic.
Odom's a nice help defender, but I've seen him refuse to put his hands up to contest jumpshots, close out too slowly, get blown past, etc. I see him shuffle his feet to take charges (nice, but not useful against rashard lewis) and block layups. He's useful in soft doubling howard and stealing some rebounds, but I don't see him shutting down rashard lewis. On the flip side, rashard lewis isn't going to play at the rim like odom can.
And I just checked, Odom's shooting <.600 FT% in the playoffs.
Reddick might defend Kobe. I don't know if Kobe shuts down turkoglu. On one hand, an announcer said Turkoglu has problems against smaller defenders (and that was prompty illustrated by Turkoglu missing a shot in the paint against Delonte West). On the other hand, Turkoglu's 6'10" and Kobe's over-reported as 6'6.
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Braavos36375 Posts
On May 30 2009 02:19 Xeris wrote:
Personally I disagree. The only reason that Orlando won against LA in the regular season was because Jameer Nelson exploded in the 2nd half. Let's take a look at the matchups:
PG - Alston v. Fisher (or Farmar/Brown) : Personally I think Alston has the edge over Fisher, but possibly not vs Farmar or Shannon Brown. He's quick like Aaron Brooks but not nearly as fast or as good of a finisher at the basket. He shoots better than Brooks though. This is PROBABLY a slight edge for Orlando.
SG - Courtney Lee / Pietrus v. Ariza : Ariza will be able to handle either of these guys... this is approximately even (since they can defend Ariza very well too). Although Orlando would probably cross matchup and stick Lee/Pietrus on Kobe and have Turkoglu defend Ariza.
SF - Turkoglu v. Kobe : Kobe can lock him down. He's a much better 1on1 defender than LeBron. Don't expect Turkoglu to be making game winners and clutch shots against LA.
PF - Lewis v. Odom/Gasol : Gasol is quick enough, but Lewis has an edge over Gasol I think. However, Odom can defend him very well, they match up perfectly. Odom has the right mix of size+strength+speed to be able to defend the 3 and stop him from playing the post game.
C - Howard v. Bynum/Gasol : Obviously an edge for Dwight here... but he WILL NOT score 30/game.
Overall : I think that at the Center Orlando has a big advantage, and a small one at the PG. Dwight won't get 30 per game, and Alston won't hit 6 3's per game. Other than that... the Lakers match up extremely well against Orlando. I don't know where you guys think Orlando is very scary against the Lakers comes from. If they had Jameer Nelson it's a different story though.
you disagree that the lakers match up worse with the magic than the cavs?
also, i don't think kobe is going to guard turkoglu, i think ariza is, kobe will guard lee or pietrus. i'm not saying the magic will beat the lakers, just that LA matches up way better with cleveland than orlando
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On May 30 2009 03:47 igotmyown wrote:
Alston's sort of a rock head. He probably could do a lot in the paint, but he's content to shoot contested 3's. I don't see a point guard advantage for the magic.
Odom's a nice help defender, but I've seen him refuse to put his hands up to contest jumpshots, close out too slowly, get blown past, etc. I see him shuffle his feet to take charges (nice, but not useful against rashard lewis) and block layups. He's useful in soft doubling howard and stealing some rebounds, but I don't see him shutting down rashard lewis. On the flip side, rashard lewis isn't going to play at the rim like odom can.
And I just checked, Odom's shooting <.600 FT% in the playoffs.
Reddick might defend Kobe. I don't know if Kobe shuts down turkoglu. On one hand, an announcer said Turkoglu has problems against smaller defenders (and that was prompty illustrated by Turkoglu missing a shot in the paint against Delonte West). On the other hand, Turkoglu's 6'10" and Kobe's over-reported as 6'6.
Redick couldn't guard 90% of TL, much less Kobe! 
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LOL @ JJ comment. Although it's pretty much true :D
I think the Lakers matchup fairly well with both teams. They would have a normal lineup against the Cavs and they would have a smaller lineup against Orlando. Gasol can't keep up with Lewis so they'll have Odom guard him.
But I agree with Cyric in the sense that it's more about the style of play as opposed to the matchups.
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United States22883 Posts
On May 30 2009 02:49 XaI)CyRiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2009 02:19 Xeris wrote:
Personally I disagree. The only reason that Orlando won against LA in the regular season was because Jameer Nelson exploded in the 2nd half. Let's take a look at the matchups:
PG - Alston v. Fisher (or Farmar/Brown) : Personally I think Alston has the edge over Fisher, but possibly not vs Farmar or Shannon Brown. He's quick like Aaron Brooks but not nearly as fast or as good of a finisher at the basket. He shoots better than Brooks though. This is PROBABLY a slight edge for Orlando.
SG - Courtney Lee / Pietrus v. Ariza : Ariza will be able to handle either of these guys... this is approximately even (since they can defend Ariza very well too). Although Orlando would probably cross matchup and stick Lee/Pietrus on Kobe and have Turkoglu defend Ariza.
SF - Turkoglu v. Kobe : Kobe can lock him down. He's a much better 1on1 defender than LeBron. Don't expect Turkoglu to be making game winners and clutch shots against LA.
PF - Lewis v. Odom/Gasol : Gasol is quick enough, but Lewis has an edge over Gasol I think. However, Odom can defend him very well, they match up perfectly. Odom has the right mix of size+strength+speed to be able to defend the 3 and stop him from playing the post game.
C - Howard v. Bynum/Gasol : Obviously an edge for Dwight here... but he WILL NOT score 30/game.
Overall : I think that at the Center Orlando has a big advantage, and a small one at the PG. Dwight won't get 30 per game, and Alston won't hit 6 3's per game. Other than that... the Lakers match up extremely well against Orlando. I don't know where you guys think Orlando is very scary against the Lakers comes from. If they had Jameer Nelson it's a different story though. I don't think the matchups are necessarily the problem, so much as the style of play. The Lakers have appeared to me throughout the season as having struggled to defend 3pt shooting well. The way their defense is set up, they overload with a strongside zone to stop penetration and post scoring, but then they often get lost or confused on rotating to 3pt shooters once the ball is reversed. A team like Orlando, who moves the ball well around the perimeter and has so many good 3pt shooters, can potentially cause major problems for the Lakers on defense. The Lakers may adjust their defense to account for that, but I fear that their struggles to keep quick guards (Alston and Lee) out of the paint, their inability to guard Dwight 1on1 (if Bynum was 100% I would worry much less), and guard the pick and roll (which Turk and DHow run all the time) will cause them problems.
This is it. When Odom is playing well he can guard Lewis, but he'll be pulled out to the perimeter and the Lakers have no post presence, unless they play all 3 bigs at once (which is not sustainable for the amount of time that Turk/Lewis/Dwight will be in the game.) I still can't stand SVG, but the Magic are a bitch to match up with unless you're the Pistons.
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I think they're going to close it out tonight.
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I think so too.
But I hope they don't.
Meloooo repeat game 1's performance!
Go!
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Gasol's been a much better defender than Bynum. Good ball movement, high percentage shots so far.
Kobe with two nice assists through double teams.
Bynum getting no touches.
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Bleh, I can't watch this anymore.
The nuggets look gassed and are playing terribly.
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On May 30 2009 04:03 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2009 02:19 Xeris wrote:
Personally I disagree. The only reason that Orlando won against LA in the regular season was because Jameer Nelson exploded in the 2nd half. Let's take a look at the matchups:
PG - Alston v. Fisher (or Farmar/Brown) : Personally I think Alston has the edge over Fisher, but possibly not vs Farmar or Shannon Brown. He's quick like Aaron Brooks but not nearly as fast or as good of a finisher at the basket. He shoots better than Brooks though. This is PROBABLY a slight edge for Orlando.
SG - Courtney Lee / Pietrus v. Ariza : Ariza will be able to handle either of these guys... this is approximately even (since they can defend Ariza very well too). Although Orlando would probably cross matchup and stick Lee/Pietrus on Kobe and have Turkoglu defend Ariza.
SF - Turkoglu v. Kobe : Kobe can lock him down. He's a much better 1on1 defender than LeBron. Don't expect Turkoglu to be making game winners and clutch shots against LA.
PF - Lewis v. Odom/Gasol : Gasol is quick enough, but Lewis has an edge over Gasol I think. However, Odom can defend him very well, they match up perfectly. Odom has the right mix of size+strength+speed to be able to defend the 3 and stop him from playing the post game.
C - Howard v. Bynum/Gasol : Obviously an edge for Dwight here... but he WILL NOT score 30/game.
Overall : I think that at the Center Orlando has a big advantage, and a small one at the PG. Dwight won't get 30 per game, and Alston won't hit 6 3's per game. Other than that... the Lakers match up extremely well against Orlando. I don't know where you guys think Orlando is very scary against the Lakers comes from. If they had Jameer Nelson it's a different story though. you disagree that the lakers match up worse with the magic than the cavs? also, i don't think kobe is going to guard turkoglu, i think ariza is, kobe will guard lee or pietrus. i'm not saying the magic will beat the lakers, just that LA matches up way better with cleveland than orlando
hmm maybe I misread people's posts... I was disagreeing with the assertion that the Lakers match up badly with Orlando. I think they match up better with Clevland, but Clevland is the more dangerous team (maybe I"m not respecting Orlando enough but I think being in the Finals will put LeBron in a totally higher gear if that's even possible).
So...
Lakers match up nicely with Orlando
Lakers match up better with Clevland
Clevland probably has a better chance of beating LA (I think)
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lol kobe wide open airball
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anyone have a working stream? thansk
nvm atdhe is working again
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good thing Lakers are handling them tonight
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
looks like Lakers are gonna take this one...and the series
LAL 72-57 DEN, 4:25 Q3
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everyone on lakers are getting wide open shots
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