Graff on walls

On March 02 2009 05:55 paper wrote:
graff like that just taints the wall

l2graff

On March 02 2009 06:08 Osmoses wrote:
Drawn graffiti I can get onboard with if it's well done, this is just vandalism, looks like shit, everyone thinks so, all it's good for is as a way of letting opposing gangs know when they're on someone else's turf.

On March 02 2009 06:08 vGl-CoW wrote:
way to ruin a perfectly good wall

On March 02 2009 06:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Besides no one really owns property or anything. No one owns anything at all.

On March 02 2009 06:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Besides no one really owns property or anything. No one owns anything at all.

On March 02 2009 06:17 Hittegods wrote:

Yeah, that wall totally wont work anymore, it needs to be rebuilt asap

On March 02 2009 06:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Well thats what some one would think that's not part of the graffiti world, but to us it's like saying I was here and I would like everyone to know that. The gang situation is different, with gangs they have their own thing. Yea you might run into a gang one day, but it doesn't stop a graffiti artist to do it. Besides no one really owns property or anything. No one owns anything at all.

On March 02 2009 06:39 fusionsdf wrote:


sorry, this shit's not art, and you doing it doesnt make you an artist

your second one on the legal wall is more like art, and it isnt someone's wall they have to fix after you ruin it. So feel free to do that.

On March 02 2009 06:47 TheSchwA wrote:


You're right, its not art, its an art form. When you can manage to go and paint shit that actually looks good, more so in the dark when most graff is done, then you can talk.

And, how can you ruin something that was completely blank? No one is forcing you to look at it anyway.

On March 02 2009 06:34 theonemephisto wrote:

Right. Unfortunately, everyone else and society thinks differently.

On March 02 2009 07:11 Jusciax wrote:
I have no objections against professional graffiti on some abandoned construction walls which they definitely improve, or in art friendly zones where it's expected to be. But to do it on others property without their consent, doesn't matter how awesome or horrible your graffiti is, is vandalizing, no matter what perverted world views you have in your head ("noone owns anything", "can't ruin something that is blank" - what the fuck).

On March 02 2009 07:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Think about it, once you die what do you take with you? Nothing. As I said you don't own anything. I see this as a way to leave something behind that people can remember me by and so far it has. A lot of people in miami know me because of my graffiti, let alone my art. I rather be remembered than forgotten and never had done something with my life thats out of the ordinary. I don't care if it's illegal or not. I'm still doing it because I enjoy it.

Here's something I wrote a while ago. I know it sucks but w.e

The movement of my soul runs free. It moves like a feather in the wind. Flying high towards the sky, towards the sun. The wind stops, then my soul drops. Drops like the twin towers, what just happened to me? Am I not free to fly anymore? Am I being used like a whore? When will I know? The time has come to face reality, we're not the owners of our own. We die and that's the finale, we claimed nothing, we gained nothing. We don't own anything.

On March 02 2009 07:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Think about it, once you die what do you take with you? Nothing. As I said you don't own anything. I see this as a way to leave something behind that people can remember me by and so far it has. A lot of people in miami know me because of my graffiti, let alone my art. I rather be remembered than forgotten and never had done something with my life thats out of the ordinary. I don't care if it's illegal or not. I'm still doing it because I enjoy it.

Here's something I wrote a while ago. I know it sucks but w.e

The movement of my soul runs free. It moves like a feather in the wind. Flying high towards the sky, towards the sun. The wind stops, then my soul drops. Drops like the twin towers, what just happened to me? Am I not free to fly anymore? Am I being used like a whore? When will I know? The time has come to face reality, we're not the owners of our own. We die and that's the finale, we claimed nothing, we gained nothing. We don't own anything.

On March 02 2009 07:24 Manifesto7 wrote:
You're still a piece of shit I see.

On March 02 2009 07:28 Rostam wrote:


So you wouldn't mind if I came to where you live and stole all of your possessions, then? How about your credit card information or your life savings? You don't own any of those, right?

On March 02 2009 07:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:


But how does graffit and robbing some equal the same thing?

On March 02 2009 07:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Think about it, once you die what do you take with you? Nothing. As I said you don't own anything. I see this as a way to leave something behind that people can remember me by and so far it has. A lot of people in miami know me because of my graffiti, let alone my art. I rather be remembered than forgotten and never had done something with my life thats out of the ordinary. I don't care if it's illegal or not. I'm still doing it because I enjoy it.

Here's something I wrote a while ago. I know it sucks but w.e

The movement of my soul runs free. It moves like a feather in the wind. Flying high towards the sky, towards the sun. The wind stops, then my soul drops. Drops like the twin towers, what just happened to me? Am I not free to fly anymore? Am I being used like a whore? When will I know? The time has come to face reality, we're not the owners of our own. We die and that's the finale, we claimed nothing, we gained nothing. We don't own anything.

On March 02 2009 07:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Yes I'm a piece of shit because I don't agree with the way you agree with society, that's amazing. Just shows how much of a hypocrite some one can be.

On March 02 2009 07:30 Rostam wrote:


You said nobody owns anything. That justifies ruining someone else's property, but not taking it? It's not theirs anyway, what's the difference?

On March 02 2009 07:31 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:

would you consider murderers and rapists pieces of shit? cuz like, i feel they have their rightful place in society; the world and life are transient

On March 02 2009 07:32 Phyre wrote:

Exactly. He has no idea what he's talking about, he's a moron.

On March 02 2009 07:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Well that's them. Thats what they do, theirs consequences for their actions. My actions are only being done upon property that some one doesn't really own.

On March 02 2009 07:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Think about it, once you die what do you take with you? Nothing. As I said you don't own anything. I see this as a way to leave something behind that people can remember me by and so far it has. A lot of people in miami know me because of my graffiti, let alone my art. I rather be remembered than forgotten and never had done something with my life thats out of the ordinary. I don't care if it's illegal or not. I'm still doing it because I enjoy it.

On March 02 2009 07:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Yes, I'm a moron as well. Who said I would like to take it? I just want to paint on it.

On March 02 2009 07:48 TheSchwA wrote:
You honestly can't compare rapists, murderers, or other people on that level to graffiti writer, that's just plain silly. People who write graffiti have no intentions of hurting people.

Phyre, I really don't understand why you're being so rude about this, from what I read no one made any personal remarks about you, or at least I didn't.

Honestly, there's no point in justifying graffiti, everyone has their own opinions, which no one is going to change or alter in any way, obviously. People are just afraid of what they don't understand.

EDIT: Don't consider ShoCckey as an example of a graffiti writer because he has no clue what he's talking about either.

On March 02 2009 07:50 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:

the law is pretty clear on the definition of vandalism

like honestly i wouldn't care if some wall on the side of the highway had cool art, i'd actually like that, but if there was spray paint on the side of my house, i'd be pretty fucking pissed off

edit: and im not comparing it to murder and rape for the sake of like... saying it's on the same level of magnitude, but the law is clear on those, and the law is clear on vandalism, so shockeyy's being inconsistent somewhere if he dosent feel he's in the wrong for vandalism, but people are in the wrong for murder/stealing/raping/etc

On March 02 2009 07:48 TheSchwA wrote:
Honestly, there's no point in justifying graffiti, everyone has their own opinions, which no one is going to change or alter in any way, obviously. People are just afraid of what they don't understand.

On March 02 2009 07:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Yes, I'm a moron as well. Who said I would like to take it? I just want to paint on it.

On March 02 2009 07:48 TheSchwA wrote:
You honestly can't compare rapists, murderers, or other people on that level to a graffiti writer, that's just plain silly. People who write graffiti have no intentions of hurting others.

Phyre, I really don't understand why you're being so rude about this, from what I read no one made any personal remarks about you, or at least I didn't.

Honestly, there's no point in justifying graffiti, everyone has their own opinions, which no one is going to change or alter in any way, obviously. People are just afraid of what they don't understand.

EDIT: Don't consider ShoCckey as an example of a graffiti writer because he has no clue what he's talking about either.

On March 02 2009 07:48 TheSchwA wrote:
You honestly can't compare rapists, murderers, or other people on that level to a graffiti writer, that's just plain silly. People who write graffiti have no intentions of hurting others.

Phyre, I really don't understand why you're being so rude about this, from what I read no one made any personal remarks about you, or at least I didn't.

Honestly, there's no point in justifying graffiti, everyone has their own opinions, which no one is going to change or alter in any way, obviously. People are just afraid of what they don't understand.

EDIT: Don't consider ShoCckey as an example of a graffiti writer because he has no clue what he's talking about either.

On March 02 2009 08:01 Phyre wrote:

Pft, you graffiti artists hurt people plenty. You hurt people in the same way someone that busts a car up hurts the owner. You are violating someone else's property. You may not be physically harming them directly, but you are wasting their time, effort, and money when they have to go clean up your juvenile vandalism. The only case in which you wouldn't be hurting someone is if they actually wanted your crap on their property. If that was the case, you should just be able to to ask them for permission. But you won't do that because... SURPRISE SURPRISE they don't want it there! In the same way you don't want to get your face riddled with holes they don't want their property covered in your filth.

Bottom line you are disrespecting someone else's wishes with regards to their rightfully owned property. If you dispute that, I hope someone maims you against your wishes and see if you still feel the same.

Edit: As to why I'm being so "rude" it's because I'm listening to people trying to justify hurting others. Like listening to someone justify rape or murder, just to a less extent. It's an attempt to justify doing something that is undeniably wrong unto a victim. This goes beyond letter of the law, this is clearly logically wrong. For that, I hope offenders suffer. And suffer greatly.

On March 02 2009 07:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Yes I'm a piece of shit because I don't agree with the way you agree with society, that's amazing. Just shows how much of a hypocrite some one can be.

On March 02 2009 08:15 TheSchwA wrote:
Oh well, life's a bitch. You're not going to keep people from writing graffiti, so I suggest you get over it.

On March 02 2009 08:01 Phyre wrote:

Pft, you graffiti artists hurt people plenty. You hurt people in the same way someone that busts a car up hurts the owner. You are violating someone else's property. You may not be physically harming them directly, but you are wasting their time, effort, and money when they have to go clean up your juvenile vandalism. The only case in which you wouldn't be hurting someone is if they actually wanted your crap on their property. If that was the case, you should just be able to to ask them for permission. But you won't do that because... SURPRISE SURPRISE they don't want it there! In the same way you don't want to get your face riddled with holes they don't want their property covered in your filth.

Bottom line you are disrespecting someone else's wishes with regards to their rightfully owned property. If you dispute that, I hope someone maims you against your wishes and see if you still feel the same.

Edit: As to why I'm being so "rude" it's because I'm listening to people trying to justify hurting others. Like listening to someone justify rape or murder, just to a less extent. It's an attempt to justify doing something that is undeniably wrong unto a victim. This goes beyond letter of the law, this is clearly logically wrong. For that, I hope offenders suffer. And suffer greatly.

On March 02 2009 08:20 Manifesto7 wrote:


No, you are a piece of shit because you ruin something that does not belong to you. I see ZERO difference between you tagging the outside of somebody's garage and tagging the inside of their living room. You are tresspassing on both accounts, and vandalizing their property.

Now I am sure that you can admit tagging someone's living room would be "over the line". Please explain to me the difference between someone's garage and living room.

This is not art. It is a signature. Nothing more.

Also, no one will remember you for tagging. No one. The only people that recognize it are little scum bags friends of yours that do the same thing. To 99.99% of the population, you are simply a criminal.

Before you say it is a victimless act, please keep in mind that people have to pay to have your signature removed. Graffiti has been corrolated with crime, and reduces the value of homes. You are quite literally costing people money if they leave it up or pay to take it away.

But unfortunately, you are probably to retarded to understand any of this, so that is why I resorted to calling you a piece of shit. I thought that might make it through your fume permeated brain.

On March 02 2009 08:15 TheSchwA wrote:


You're like a child. And you're unbelievably ridiculous. Do you read what you type? "For that, I hope offenders suffer. And suffer greatly." Are you being serious right now? You're little personal vendetta against graffiti is laughable. What, did you get beat up by a writer when you were little or something?

Oh well, life's a bitch. You're not going to keep people from writing graffiti, so I suggest you get over it.

On March 02 2009 08:28 TheSchwA wrote:
It's so hilarious how you're bringing up the fact that people have to pay to paint over it, ever realized that we're tax payers as well? Also, quit bring up the stupid "oh we shouldn't worry about rapists, murderers, is that what you're saying?" So basically you're getting your panties in a twist because of some spray paint on a wall instead of murderers, or the likes.Too many other things to worry about.

But, like I said, you're not going to stop people from writing, get over it.

On March 02 2009 08:28 TheSchwA wrote:
It's so hilarious how you're bringing up the fact that people have to pay to paint over it, ever realized that we're tax payers as well? Also, quit bring up the stupid "oh we shouldn't worry about rapists, murderers, is that what you're saying?" So basically you're getting your panties in a twist because of some spray paint on a wall instead of murderers, or the likes.Too many other things to worry about.

But, like I said, you're not going to stop people from writing, get over it.

On March 02 2009 08:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:



ROFL THUG OR GANGSTER? HAHAHAH I hate rap.... theres one for you.

On March 02 2009 08:40 MuffiN wrote:
i dont got time to watch your shit.

On March 02 2009 08:41 MuffiN wrote:
how am i a fucktard.

On March 02 2009 08:31 MuffiN wrote:
ShoCkeYy just thinks hes a 'thug' and a 'gangster' by 'reppin' his signature all over Miami. He doesnt even fucking realize what its doing to other people's properties. All he cares is 'reppin' his goddamn graff. What a douche.

On March 02 2009 08:28 TheSchwA wrote:
It's so hilarious how you're bringing up the fact that people have to pay to paint over it, ever realized that we're tax payers as well? Also, quit bring up the stupid "oh we shouldn't worry about rapists, murderers, is that what you're saying?" So basically you're getting your panties in a twist because of some spray paint on a wall instead of murderers, or the likes.Too many other things to worry about.

But, like I said, you're not going to stop people from writing, get over it.

On March 02 2009 08:38 TheSchwA wrote:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=infamy&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#

this might be a good watch for some of you, I'm doing arguing, you're right, im wrong.

Vandalism is for 6th graders.
My infant cousin also writes on walls. . .
Actually it needs to be repainted and that's a huge pain in the ass.
sorry, this shit's not art, and you doing it doesnt make you an artist
Graff on walls just makes that place less respectable and dirtier
You're still a piece of shit I see.
I really don't like those tags that are just slapped onto a wall
dude its not even good lol. the wall is nice and wall.... you ruined it, do it to abandoned buildings or something
This is not art. It is a signature. Nothing more.
just gtfo
that's really ugly.
I seriously hope he gets caught by the police as soon as possible. Idiots like him shouldn't be in our society. They are only going to piss other people off anyway.