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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
January 16 2009 18:39 GMT
#1
Pardon me for trying to understand the situation here. But is it really out of genuine concern for Chinese citizens? Because if you genuinely care about the Chinese people, wouldn't it make more sense to be more involved and active in the plights of Asians in your own country first? Asians (Chinese included) are often one of the most persecuted in most foreign countries (heck even other countries in Asia), a little research would go a long way to show what you can do.

Unless of course you're doing it simply for the thrill of bashing another nation. If that's the case, well, you're just a very sad person. =P
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 20:24:37
January 16 2009 18:42 GMT
#2
Didn't you get temp banned once for China bashing?
(^^I guess this has been cleared up then)
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In that case, I would say that China is easy to bash. They have a 'communist' government, which is definitely looked down upon and portrayed negatively in the American educational system. They also limit the freedoms of their people.

While I was visiting my uncle in Hong Kong this summer, he China bashed ALL THE TIME. He was like "Yeah good thing I'll be dead by the time Hong Kong actually becomes part of China again." Or "Good thing we are in Hong Kong and not China or I would be arresting for saying ________"
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Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
January 16 2009 18:42 GMT
#3
How are you more concerned about the china bashing than the usually even more retarded US bashing?
No I'm never serious.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
January 16 2009 18:42 GMT
#4
They've done it to Poland, too. Perhaps it's just that specter of communism and a touch of rivalry and jealousy. But if you had to compare the economies of China and Poland vs the economies of the US, there is more freedom in those economies than most nations in this world. They're clearly more free than the US and they're clearly more free than the EU and Great Britain.

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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 18:46:51
January 16 2009 18:44 GMT
#5
On January 17 2009 03:42 Fontong wrote:
Didn't you get temp banned once for China bashing?


No. I wrote "chink" in a comment once to illustrate a point. When I explained to the mod to read the entire post the ban was removed. =P
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
January 16 2009 18:46 GMT
#6
On January 17 2009 03:44 KissBlade wrote:
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On January 17 2009 03:42 Fontong wrote:
Didn't you get temp banned once for China bashing?


No. I wrote "chink" in a comment once to illustrate a point. When I explained to the mod to read my entire post on why I wrote so, the ban was removed. =P

Oh ok, and I've thought you were an asshole this entire time because of that. Whoops.
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ilovehnk
Profile Joined October 2008
475 Posts
January 16 2009 18:47 GMT
#7
who gives a fuck.
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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
January 16 2009 18:48 GMT
#8
On January 17 2009 03:46 Fontong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2009 03:44 KissBlade wrote:
On January 17 2009 03:42 Fontong wrote:
Didn't you get temp banned once for China bashing?


No. I wrote "chink" in a comment once to illustrate a point. When I explained to the mod to read my entire post on why I wrote so, the ban was removed. =P

Oh ok, and I've thought you were an asshole this entire time because of that. Whoops.



Yeah lots of people did. =) Heh, it's not a bad thing though. Apparently Tl.net is more aware of racism when it occurs than I'd thought. (Though they sort of jumped the gun a bit on that issue =D )
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3684 Posts
January 16 2009 19:24 GMT
#9
Are you saying there is a lot of China bashing on TL or in the USA? I don't understand the point of the OP.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
January 16 2009 19:27 GMT
#10
On January 17 2009 04:24 Durak wrote:
Are you saying there is a lot of China bashing on TL or in the USA? I don't understand the point of the OP.



Referring to TL. Though, I'd prefer not to state it outright. TL.net is a fine site. I recommend it to anyone who're even remotely interested in Starcraft. The general forums perplex me at times though.
p4ge
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada160 Posts
January 16 2009 19:35 GMT
#11
everyone scared of a country getting that economically and technologically "up to date", that hasn't seemed to advanced in the same way morally--i don't need to fill you in one the details for that i hope. who knows what will happen though.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
January 16 2009 19:38 GMT
#12
On January 17 2009 04:35 D4EMON wrote:
everyone scared of a country getting that economically and technologically "up to date", that hasn't seemed to advanced in the same way morally--i don't need to fill you in one the details for that i hope. who knows what will happen though.



Nah, it's true, I think China did break a few eggs on it's way to making it's omelette so to speak. However, the extreme disasters of those has passed IMO and isn't really the reason for China's success. For example, some REALLY grievous examples of government abuse were it's random revolutions under Mao (who was great as a figurehead but not too much else ...). Ironically, it was under Deng who employed Western capitalism reforms mixed with social ideologies of China that really caused it to prosper.
MarklarMarklar
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Fiji1823 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 19:44:52
January 16 2009 19:43 GMT
#13
man, cuz them chinks are evil atheist communist bastards and they are multiplying way 2 fast

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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
January 16 2009 19:44 GMT
#14
Cause they like to fuck =(.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 16 2009 19:51 GMT
#15
Ship's Engineer: "Captain.. we are entering a minefield!"
Captain: "What, calm down damn it. What do you mean a minefield?"
Ship's Engineer: "Sir, someone asked 'Why do people bash on the chinese' in the general forum.."
Captain: "Jesus fucking christ. Alert the crew.. this is going to get fucking messy."
Random woman on deck: "ARE WE GOING TO BE OK CAPTAIN?"
Captain: "Ok? Someone just mentioned the chinese on tl.net.. we are fucking doomed."
Gunnery: "SIR, I have multiple mandarin posts being made!"
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Random woman on deck: "WE ARE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED"
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
January 16 2009 19:51 GMT
#16
Where do you see a lot of China bashing on TL
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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 19:54:52
January 16 2009 19:54 GMT
#17
edit: maybe you can explain what you are talking about before i close this.
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
January 16 2009 19:54 GMT
#18
I've grown apart from Chinese Food.
We used to be quite close.
No longer is this the case.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 16 2009 19:54 GMT
#19
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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 19:57:34
January 16 2009 19:56 GMT
#20
On January 17 2009 04:54 Kennigit wrote:
edit: maybe you can explain what you are talking about before i close this.



I thought it was explained in the OP.

Most of the typical posts I've seen regarding the topic is always denouncing China's treatment of it's own citizens. I merely thought, if people truly cared, they should look into the treatment of their own country's policies towards Asians since that's where they can truly help out most. However, if that's not their real intent, then it seems it's just done out of pure spite towards bashing another country for the heck of it. if that's so, then at least just stick it into their posts instead of attempting the self righteous high path.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 19:58:51
January 16 2009 19:57 GMT
#21
Show me a post - an example of what you are talking about and not some arbitrary bullshit.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 16 2009 19:59 GMT
#22
HEY HE HAS A POINT

Sure china has ethnically cleansed millions of people. They have funded a lot of what has gone in africa right now. And everytime someone leaves africa china is cumming in its pants to get at that vacuum and fill it. China also continues to violate countless humanitarian laws with its own people but what is really important is we do not discuss how china does these things and instead constantly talk about america and all the shit it has done.

THAT IS THE POINT PLEASE
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
January 16 2009 20:00 GMT
#23
On January 17 2009 04:57 Kennigit wrote:
Show me a post - an example of what you are talking about and not some arbitrary bullshit.



Err I guess Incontrol just did it for me. Notice, this is a topic about "why are there so much china bashing" and even then there's a stellar member proving it for me. =)
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 16 2009 20:02 GMT
#24
I'M BASHING ON CHINA lawlawlawlawl

Yes. Let us ignore these things and discuss them only when they do not have to do with china. What the fuck is wrong with you? You think china is some kind of scratching post on TL? You think China takes any more shit than any other country on here? Gimme a break.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 16 2009 20:04 GMT
#25
I mean the fucking thread about them banning nicknames is fucking relevant to a bunch of gamers. So WHAT if china happens to be this weeks country of fucking idiots that passed said policy? The USA will quickly follow it up with another senator trying to ban curse words.. no worries brah. Just quit being a pussy bitch about your nationality and grow a pair. If you got some defense for the shit I generalized in this forum OTHER THAN "hey you guys did it too" I'd love to hear it.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 20:06:21
January 16 2009 20:05 GMT
#26
On January 17 2009 05:02 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I'M BASHING ON CHINA lawlawlawlawl

Yes. Let us ignore these things and discuss them only when they do not have to do with china. What the fuck is wrong with you? You think china is some kind of scratching post on TL? You think China takes any more shit than any other country on here? Gimme a break.



Why not discuss them in it's own topic then? You don't jump into a topic about "Hey this American pilot saved passengers" and post something like, "LOL AMERICANS - GEORGE BUSH - IRAQ". It's just senseless. Similarly posting something like yours here, does the same merit.

On January 17 2009 05:04 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I mean the fucking thread about them banning nicknames is fucking relevant to a bunch of gamers. So WHAT if china happens to be this weeks country of fucking idiots that passed said policy? The USA will quickly follow it up with another senator trying to ban curse words.. no worries brah. Just quit being a pussy bitch about your nationality and grow a pair. If you got some defense for the shit I generalized in this forum OTHER THAN "hey you guys did it too" I'd love to hear it.



Because the thread wasn't about them banning nicknames. Perhaps you should read more than the first line of a topic sentence before forming your conclusions.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
January 16 2009 20:05 GMT
#27
calm down fat.
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
January 16 2009 20:05 GMT
#28
On January 17 2009 05:00 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2009 04:57 Kennigit wrote:
Show me a post - an example of what you are talking about and not some arbitrary bullshit.



Err I guess Incontrol just did it for me. Notice, this is a topic about "why are there so much china bashing" and even then there's a stellar member proving it for me. =)

ugh
it proves nothing
think about what inc usually does plz
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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 20:11:14
January 16 2009 20:06 GMT
#29
On January 17 2009 05:05 Carnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2009 05:00 KissBlade wrote:
On January 17 2009 04:57 Kennigit wrote:
Show me a post - an example of what you are talking about and not some arbitrary bullshit.



Err I guess Incontrol just did it for me. Notice, this is a topic about "why are there so much china bashing" and even then there's a stellar member proving it for me. =)

ugh
it proves nothing
think about what inc usually does plz



XD

@Incontrol, no point in further responses really, if you're just going to flat out admit to not reading, then bleh, can't really argue further with that?
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 16 2009 20:08 GMT
#30
On January 17 2009 05:05 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2009 05:02 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I'M BASHING ON CHINA lawlawlawlawl

Yes. Let us ignore these things and discuss them only when they do not have to do with china. What the fuck is wrong with you? You think china is some kind of scratching post on TL? You think China takes any more shit than any other country on here? Gimme a break.



Why not discuss them in it's own topic then? You don't jump into a topic about "Hey this American pilot saved passengers" and post something like, "LOL AMERICANS - GEORGE BUSH - IRAQ". It's just senseless. Similarly posting something like yours here, does the same merit.


uhhh accountability? Why would you discuss China and something it has done without allowing for discussion on the MAJOR atrocities it has done as well? This is par for the course.. china isn't treated any differently around here.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 16 2009 20:09 GMT
#31
I don't have to read entire threads to get the gist of what they were trying to get at. If the topic spun off and ended up being about Mao I don't give a shit. That isn't a problem.. it is a natural forum progression.
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
January 16 2009 20:09 GMT
#32
I've never seen any China bashing on TL. If I had to guess, though, it would be cuz dey eat dogz, lol. (ok, poor attempt at humor, let me resume being serious)

Every country gets it's fair share of bashing on just about any forum. This was just China's turn. Next week, let's hope it's Sweden. Those swedes deserve a good thrashing from time to time. Been too much textual fellatio going on lately.
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Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 20:13:31
January 16 2009 20:12 GMT
#33
I think the news tend to demonize the Chinese society with:

-Weak labor laws, exploitable labor (it seems it's changing, unions are coming)
-Parents disowning their baby girls
-Government destroying old properties to make room to new one. Although thanks to that Shanghai is so modern today, apparently, this harms the poorer classes and creates more social stratification.
-The Felon Gong group getting beaten up
-Issues with Tibet separation, Taiwan etc.
-Quality of products. I.e: Milk containing melamine

Pack it all together with the threat of China becoming a world super power, its no wonder the media might wanna draw attention to the bad things that are going on there. And probably cover up the bad things that are going elsewhere in the world:

-the tent cities in US
-US had to bring a prisoner from Guantanamo Bay as a mediator in Afghanistan. Seems like things are not shinning up for US soldiers over there, and they wanna retreat. I heard that from Iraq news, so the source may be biased.

But the same guy who delivered this news also said, 2 years ago, that the US was heading for a recession, and people laughed a him back then. He also said recently they put Obama in power because they might be planning some risky and drastic measures (1 trillion dollars rescue package, deploying more troops in Iraq, etc) and if anything goes wrong they will blame the black inexperienced guy.

Oh well... Politics...
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 20:17:43
January 16 2009 20:16 GMT
#34
On January 17 2009 05:05 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2009 05:02 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I'M BASHING ON CHINA lawlawlawlawl

Yes. Let us ignore these things and discuss them only when they do not have to do with china. What the fuck is wrong with you? You think china is some kind of scratching post on TL? You think China takes any more shit than any other country on here? Gimme a break.



Why not discuss them in it's own topic then? You don't jump into a topic about "Hey this American pilot saved passengers" and post something like, "LOL AMERICANS - GEORGE BUSH - IRAQ". It's just senseless. Similarly posting something like yours here, does the same merit.


Dude...the thread about nicknames quite obviously involves the Chinese government because it's about a law that the Chinese government just passed. The thread about the plane crash, on the other hand, had nothing in particular to do with the US government. Your analogy is way off.

You seem to be trying really hard to victimize yourself.
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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 20:17:54
January 16 2009 20:16 GMT
#35
On January 17 2009 04:56 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2009 04:54 Kennigit wrote:
edit: maybe you can explain what you are talking about before i close this.



I thought it was explained in the OP.

Most of the typical posts I've seen regarding the topic is always denouncing China's treatment of it's own citizens. I merely thought, if people truly cared, they should look into the treatment of their own country's policies towards Asians since that's where they can truly help out most. However, if that's not their real intent, then it seems it's just done out of pure spite towards bashing another country for the heck of it. if that's so, then at least just stick it into their posts instead of attempting the self righteous high path.

You point out a good reason to bash china, then you pass off china bashing as being 'just for the heck of it'
Zalfor
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States1035 Posts
January 16 2009 20:18 GMT
#36
i'm from china and i china bash.

but its pretty bad in the US though... i guess americans china bash to distract themselves from their own problems...
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 20:21:09
January 16 2009 20:19 GMT
#37
You are a superpower now. Deal with it.

It's not like every thread involving the US government doesn't eventually turn into a US bashing fest :O
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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
January 16 2009 20:19 GMT
#38
On January 17 2009 05:16 jwd241224 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2009 05:05 KissBlade wrote:
On January 17 2009 05:02 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I'M BASHING ON CHINA lawlawlawlawl

Yes. Let us ignore these things and discuss them only when they do not have to do with china. What the fuck is wrong with you? You think china is some kind of scratching post on TL? You think China takes any more shit than any other country on here? Gimme a break.



Why not discuss them in it's own topic then? You don't jump into a topic about "Hey this American pilot saved passengers" and post something like, "LOL AMERICANS - GEORGE BUSH - IRAQ". It's just senseless. Similarly posting something like yours here, does the same merit.


Dude...the thread about nicknames quite obviously involves the Chinese government because it's about a law that the Chinese government just passed. The thread about the plane crash, on the other hand, had nothing in particular to do with the US government. Your analogy is way off.

You seem to be trying really hard to victimize yourself.



The analogy could've been better but I don't think it's exactly inapt. Government law requiring people to register with their real names upon purchase of online game (nothing related to username) has little to do with posts like the one below.

On January 17 2009 02:48 Biff The Understudy wrote:
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On January 17 2009 01:55 KingofHearts wrote:
China has a smart government. dayum. i support it. with this new name registration law, those who committed crime can be traced and caught easily. unless,, someone else uses your name.

Yeah, it's good!

Big Brother is watching you and there is no crime anymore.

Are you just an idiot or do you really believe what you are saying?

China is a fucking dictature, the governement wants to have as much control on people as they can, including on the internet. If you believe that's good, go live in North Korea.

Sometimes I understand why democraties are so fragiles: because people are not smart enough to give any value to their liberty. And I'm not talking about the liberty of buying a new pair of Nike shoes, but of the liberty of not having to give you id everywhere you go and be under control in whatever you do.


KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 20:21:52
January 16 2009 20:21 GMT
#39
Alright, regardless, this thread's probably overt. FA, you're right on that one. And inc does have a point about how the US draws it's share of critiques as well from the same source.

Kudos.

BTW Jwd: I said nothing of victimization, I simply said, if people were concerned about Chinese citizens then their efforts are better spent actually /doing/ something about it in their own countries.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
January 16 2009 20:21 GMT
#40
On January 17 2009 03:39 KissBlade wrote:
Pardon me for trying to understand the situation here. But is it really out of genuine concern for Chinese citizens? Because if you genuinely care about the Chinese people, wouldn't it make more sense to be more involved and active in the plights of Asians in your own country first? Asians (Chinese included) are often one of the most persecuted in most foreign countries (heck even other countries in Asia), a little research would go a long way to show what you can do.

Unless of course you're doing it simply for the thrill of bashing another nation. If that's the case, well, you're just a very sad person. =P


You're talking such crap.
"Asians (Chinese included) are often one of the most persecuted in most foreign countries"

If you say "often" and "most" enough times you can say pretty much anything.
Ice cream is often one of the most thrown away sugary snacks in the USA, what do they have against Ice cream?

I can only speak for the UK where Chinese are treated really well. I fucking love Chinese food, and it's currently the nations favourite food. I'm pretty sure we treat Chinese better than China does.
Maybe the Olympics brought Chinese human rights to the forefront of conversation but that's pretty much all.

I commend Incontrol on his sarcastic mockery of your whine.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 20:25:37
January 16 2009 20:22 GMT
#41
Plz tell me how that is unrelated to the topic, also please explain how it's different from virtually any other thread on the same issue, anywhere in the world?

Person Y says something in favour of tracking/surveilance, person Z brings up Big Brother.
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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 20:25:14
January 16 2009 20:22 GMT
#42
On January 17 2009 05:21 Klive5ive wrote:


I can only speak for the UK where Chinese are treated really well. I fucking love Chinese food, and it's currently the nations favourite food. I'm pretty sure we treat Chinese better than China does.



What the fuck? This is your reasoning that Chinese people are treated really well in the UK?! Are you even serious?


On January 17 2009 05:22 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Plz tell me how that is unrelated to the topic, also please explain how it's different from virtually any other thread on the same issue, anywhere in the world?



As I said earlier, you have a point on that.

I don't think there's anything particularly wrong in most people's responses of, "Hey I don't agree with so and so's government." I find jwd's post in the thread perfectly valid because it's his opinion.
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