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Online gamers have to give real names
The government will start real-name registration for online game players this year, said Zhang Yijun, director of the General Administration of Press and Publication's technology and digital publication department.
Four online game companies' operations have been suspended after it was found that their software did not have the mandatory anti-addiction system, he said in Qingdao on Wednesday.
I don't know how credible the source is, but it is coming from a Chinese domain. Anyways I find it weird how their government's communist views are now being reflected onto the virtual world. Assuming they mean that a player cannot use Boxer as his in-game name and must use Hyun Lee instead, what good would it cause to force people to use their real names? People play in these virtual communities to hide from the real world for many reasons such as self-insecurity, playing a different personality, or even just to hide from friends and family.
Though I may have interpreted this article wrong.. they could have meant a separate online database for their citizens to register on with their games and nicknames, but that seems like an even bigger hassle.
Also, does anyone know anything about the "anti-addiction system" mentioned in the article?
Source: http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90781/90877/6575252.html
Edit: Update from a Chinese TL user..
On January 17 2009 00:55 Emlary wrote:
Real name registration started in Korea last year IIRC. The original issues are like several celebrities (pop star/movie star) committed suicide because lots of rumors (really bad ones) were spread through online forums and the police can not track who post the rumors.
One thing you get confused is that real name registration does not mean you can't use Boxer as your displaying name in an online game, let's say WoW. Registration name =/= displaying name
The anti-addiction system (what we usually call it fatigue system) started in China in July 2007, in which if a minor (under 18) plays online game more than 3 hours consistantly, his exp./gains would be cut 50%; if he plays more than 5 hours, he gains nothing in the game. Basically it requires a national ID number to register an online game account in China. Lots of kids stole their parents' ID numbers to register for online game. Then the local operator of WoW released a site which allows parents to check if their ID numbers were registered by someone else LOL
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finally I can find annoying people from games and stab them to death irl
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On January 17 2009 00:40 MarklarMarklar wrote:
finally I can find annoying people from games and stab them to death irl
BOFL!!!
It must suck to be in China atm. The nerds will reveal there identities.
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I think you meant gamer nicknames. I also think you have some reading comprehension issues. The article says players have to register their games with their real names as opposed to the amount of Joe schmo's I've filled out on registration. The source should be a pretty credible one from what I've poked around. The "Anti-addiction system" is a bit of mystery to me but I do know the Chinese government is trying to curb excessive gaming. You have to realize in countries like China, video games are not looked highly upon by most of the non youth culture. Anyone with traditionalist Asian parents can tell you that.
Ninja edit: That link does look like the anti-addiction system you're asking about.
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I'm rather disappointed.
I thought this news article would be on the vgt forums. 
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wtf lightning posters I read the op and post 2 lines and 3 people have jumped in front of me.
edit: and yeah the anti-addiction thing is what forgottenfrog posted
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gonna suck to be a chick in games now, if ur 2 friendly ull prolly get irl stalkers and shit
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On January 17 2009 00:49 MarklarMarklar wrote:
gonna suck to be a chick in games now, if ur 2 friendly ull prolly get irl stalkers and shit
Yes, because everyone would be able to access company registration info. Holy fuck, do people even read things anymore?
Edit: Actually with a post written like that, this question seems a bit too rhetorical ...
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well i'm a stupid paki you will have to excuse me
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China3334 Posts
Real name registration started in Korea last year IIRC. The original issues are like several celebrities (pop star/movie star) committed suicide because lots of rumors (really bad ones) were spread through online forums and the police can not track who post the rumors.
One thing you get confused is that real name registration does not mean you can't use Boxer as your displaying name in an online game, let's say WoW. Registration name =/= displaying name
The anti-addiction system (what we usually call it fatigue system) started in China in July 2007, in which if a minor (under 18) plays online game more than 3 hours consistantly, his exp./gains would be cut 50%; if he plays more than 5 hours, he gains nothing in the game. Basically it requires a national ID number to register an online game account in China. Lots of kids stole their parents' ID numbers to register for online game. Then the local operator of WoW released a site which allows parents to check if their ID numbers were registered by someone else LOL
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On January 17 2009 00:55 Emlary wrote:
Real name registration started in Korea last year IIRC. The original issues are like several celebrities (pop star/movie star) committed suicide because lots of rumors (really bad ones) were spread through online forums and the police can not track who post the rumors.
One thing you get confused is that real name registration does not mean you can't use Boxer as your displaying name in an online game, let's say WoW. Registration name =/= displaying name
The anti-addiction system (what we usually call it fatigue system) started in China in July 2007, in which if a minor (under 18) plays online game more than 3 hours consistantly, his exp./gains would be cut 50%; if he plays more than 5 hours, he gains nothing in the game. Basically it requires a national ID number to register an online game account in China. Lots of kids stole their parents' ID numbers to register for online game. Then the local operator of WoW released a site which allows parents to check if their ID numbers were registered by someone else LOL
Hmm, seems like that explains it. Though amusing that it relates to exp, imagine if you're playing Warcraft 3 and your hero starts leveling slower because of the anti-addiction. Haha xD
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On January 17 2009 00:55 Emlary wrote:
Real name registration started in Korea last year IIRC. The original issues are like several celebrities (pop star/movie star) committed suicide because lots of rumors (really bad ones) were spread through online forums and the police can not track who post the rumors.
One thing you get confused is that real name registration does not mean you can't use Boxer as your displaying name in an online game, let's say WoW. Registration name =/= displaying name
The anti-addiction system (what we usually call it fatigue system) started in China in July 2007, in which if a minor (under 18) plays online game more than 3 hours consistantly, his exp./gains would be cut 50%; if he plays more than 5 hours, he gains nothing in the game. Basically it requires a national ID number to register an online game account in China. Lots of kids stole their parents' ID numbers to register for online game. Then the local operator of WoW released a site which allows parents to check if their ID numbers were registered by someone else LOL
That is what I thought, thanks for clearing this up. I'll amend it to the first post.
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United States12607 Posts
These sorts of rules disgust me. I don't think it's government's place to (literally) micromanage me.
Edit: MarklarMarklar, I am impressed with your supreme wit and excellent posting skills.
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On January 17 2009 00:40 MarklarMarklar wrote:
finally I can find annoying people from games and stab them to death irl
Hovz would have loved such a feature.
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China has a smart government. dayum. i support it. with this new name registration law, those who committed crime can be traced and caught easily. unless,, someone else uses your name.
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man asia is has retarded customs
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My anti-addiction system typically kicks in when I become too tired and sleepy.
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On January 17 2009 00:31 Spartan wrote:
Anyways I find it weird how their government's communist views are now being reflected onto the virtual world.
STOP BREATHING
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Spartan please explain to me how this act is in anyway communist.
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United States37500 Posts
On January 17 2009 02:14 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 00:31 Spartan wrote:
Anyways I find it weird how their government's communist views are now being reflected onto the virtual world. STOP BREATHING
DIAF
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On January 17 2009 02:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Spartan please explain to me how this act is in anyway communist.
I was going to ask the same thing. I think we largely have Reagan to blame for these vestiges of the red scare (among so much else, lol).
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On January 17 2009 02:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Spartan please explain to me how this act is in anyway communist.
State interfering with personal freedom, for the good of everyone. I don't know, it does sound like a communist ideal when I look at it, definately not something that would ever pass in liberal countries.
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On January 17 2009 01:55 KingofHearts wrote:
China has a smart government. dayum. i support it. with this new name registration law, those who committed crime can be traced and caught easily. unless,, someone else uses your name.
Yeah, it's good!
Big Brother is watching you and there is no crime anymore.
Are you just an idiot or do you really believe what you are saying?
China is a fucking dictature, the governement wants to have as much control on people as they can, including on the internet. If you believe that's good, go live in North Korea.
Sometimes I understand why democraties are so fragiles: because people are not smart enough to give any value to their liberty. And I'm not talking about the liberty of buying a new pair of Nike shoes, but of the liberty of not having to give you id everywhere you go and be under control in whatever you do.
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On January 17 2009 02:48 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 01:55 KingofHearts wrote:
China has a smart government. dayum. i support it. with this new name registration law, those who committed crime can be traced and caught easily. unless,, someone else uses your name. Yeah, it's good! Big Brother is watching you and there is no crime anymore. Are you just an idiot or do you really believe what you are saying? China is a fucking dictature, the governement wants to have as much control on people as they can, including on the internet. If you believe that's good, go live in North Korea. Sometimes I understand why democraties are so fragiles: because people are not smart enough to give any value to their liberty. And I'm not talking about the liberty of buying a new pair of Nike shoes, but of the liberty of not having to give you id everywhere you go and be under control in whatever you do.
Biff, you are understudy lawl
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this thread is misleading in many ways.
the main reason a foreigner cannot register for a korean online game is because the registration requires a korean citizenship social security number. this is nothing like communism.
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On January 17 2009 02:41 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 02:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Spartan please explain to me how this act is in anyway communist. State interfering with personal freedom, for the good of everyone. I don't know, it does sound like a communist ideal when I look at it, definately not something that would ever pass in liberal countries.
Have you heard about laws?
I think law system is "state interfering with personal freedom, for the good of everyone".
I mean you can't just go and kill that guy, rape that chick, and rob that grandma, and get away with it.
I don't think the communism is that bad in china anyways, but i haven't studied it.
Maybe they have other problems like poverty and humane right issues (child workers and political prisoners).
Political prisoners is the worst thing i know about china, and then comes poverty (which probably leads to child workers right?)
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On January 17 2009 02:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
HeadBangaa, please explain to me how this act is in anyway communist.
No problem.
This act expresses the statist social restrictions common to both communism and fascism; by dismantling the infrastructure of privacy, the government strengthens its ability to enforce said social restrictions.
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On January 17 2009 03:07 HeadBangaa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 02:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
HeadBangaa, please explain to me how this act is in anyway communist. No problem. This act expresses the statist social restrictions common to both communism and fascism; by dismantling the infrastructure of privacy, the government strengthens its ability to enforce said social restrictions.
If making people register with their real names on video games instead of using a false id is communist then I don't even want to know what you think of our Patriots Act...
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On January 17 2009 02:48 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 01:55 KingofHearts wrote:
China has a smart government. dayum. i support it. with this new name registration law, those who committed crime can be traced and caught easily. unless,, someone else uses your name. Yeah, it's good! Big Brother is watching you and there is no crime anymore. Are you just an idiot or do you really believe what you are saying? China is a fucking dictature, the governement wants to have as much control on people as they can, including on the internet. If you believe that's good, go live in North Korea. Sometimes I understand why democraties are so fragiles: because people are not smart enough to give any value to their liberty. And I'm not talking about the liberty of buying a new pair of Nike shoes, but of the liberty of not having to give you id everywhere you go and be under control in whatever you do.
I didn't have to give id anywhere I go in China. Except when I buy alcohol. What a fucking dictature (<= what the hell is this word even mean?) country.
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On January 17 2009 03:27 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 03:07 HeadBangaa wrote:On January 17 2009 02:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
HeadBangaa, please explain to me how this act is in anyway communist. No problem. This act expresses the statist social restrictions common to both communism and fascism; by dismantling the infrastructure of privacy, the government strengthens its ability to enforce said social restrictions. If making people register with their real names on video games instead of using a false id is communist then I don't even want to know what you think of our Patriots Act...
You're leaving out the part where the government restricts the amount of time you are allowed to play a game, with the intention of making you a more effective and valuable contributer to the state.
On January 17 2009 02:58 MuR)Ernu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 02:41 Frits wrote:On January 17 2009 02:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Spartan please explain to me how this act is in anyway communist. State interfering with personal freedom, for the good of everyone. I don't know, it does sound like a communist ideal when I look at it, definately not something that would ever pass in liberal countries. Have you heard about laws? I think law system is "state interfering with personal freedom, for the good of everyone". I mean you can't just go and kill that guy, rape that chick, and rob that grandma, and get away with it. I don't think the communism is that bad in china anyways, but i haven't studied it. Maybe they have other problems like poverty and humane right issues (child workers and political prisoners). Political prisoners is the worst thing i know about china, and then comes poverty (which probably leads to child workers right?)
The law does not interfere, it protects the rights of individuals, while China often justifies breaking those rights for the greater good (how many lost their house again for the olympics, with basically no compensation?) There's a difference between directing someone's free time and limiting someone from breaking someone elses rights.
You don't think it's bad, but you have no idea what it's like, kind of a silly thing to say. It's definately not good for the individual, studies show that generally people in democratic countries lead happier lives than individuals in communistic countries.
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On January 17 2009 03:32 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 03:27 KissBlade wrote:On January 17 2009 03:07 HeadBangaa wrote:On January 17 2009 02:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
HeadBangaa, please explain to me how this act is in anyway communist. No problem. This act expresses the statist social restrictions common to both communism and fascism; by dismantling the infrastructure of privacy, the government strengthens its ability to enforce said social restrictions. If making people register with their real names on video games instead of using a false id is communist then I don't even want to know what you think of our Patriots Act... You're leaving out the part where the government restricts the amount of time you are allowed to play a game, with the intention of making you a more effective and valuable contributer to the state.
Yes. Because after you play those three hours, you must go work in the factory after. God forbid you go outside and get some fresh air. Honestly, I think the idea is kinda lame. (Exp reduction) but the intention of making you a m ore effective and valuable contributor to the state? A bit of a stretch dont' you think? Look, you don't like China. We get it. Just put it in your sig instead of distorting every thread with China = dictatorship.
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[QUOTE]On January 17 2009 00:31 Spartan wrote:
People play in these virtual communities to hide from the real world for many reasons such as self-insecurity, playing a different personality, or even just to hide from friends and family.
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what about playing just to have fun? not everyone is hiding from reality.
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[QUOTE]On January 17 2009 03:38 Mastermind wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 17 2009 00:31 Spartan wrote:
People play in these virtual communities to hide from the real world for many reasons such as self-insecurity, playing a different personality, or even just to hide from friends and family.
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what about playing just to have fun? not everyone is hiding from reality. [/QUOTE]
This thread is just a slight full of stereotyping if you didn't notice. =)
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Hum and i guess putting 12345 FakeAss Lane for my address is wrong too.
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United States3824 Posts
I find it hard, with my cultural upbringing different than that of a kid from China, to actually try and critique the views of the Chinese government on things like video game playing. If you called me lazy and fat because I was from the US I'd probably call you an asshole too, you know>?
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On January 17 2009 03:42 cgrinker wrote:
I find it hard, with my cultural upbringing different than that of a kid from China, to actually try and critique the views of the Chinese government on things like video game playing. If you called me lazy and fat because I was from the US I'd probably call you an asshole too, you know>?
Serious truth in this matter. =)
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United States3824 Posts
On January 17 2009 02:27 thopol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 02:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Spartan please explain to me how this act is in anyway communist. I was going to ask the same thing. I think we largely have Reagan to blame for these vestiges of the red scare (among so much else, lol).
Blaming Regan is a little cliche btw. Also there was communism before that so perhaps this tension has been around for more than 20 years.
To everyone else:
Seems like a strange place to be arguing about these social issues. Probably shouldn't derail the thread, as if you remember (you probably forgot by now) the OP was about ID registration. Ur blowin it
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On January 17 2009 03:34 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 03:32 Frits wrote:On January 17 2009 03:27 KissBlade wrote:On January 17 2009 03:07 HeadBangaa wrote:On January 17 2009 02:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
HeadBangaa, please explain to me how this act is in anyway communist. No problem. This act expresses the statist social restrictions common to both communism and fascism; by dismantling the infrastructure of privacy, the government strengthens its ability to enforce said social restrictions. If making people register with their real names on video games instead of using a false id is communist then I don't even want to know what you think of our Patriots Act... You're leaving out the part where the government restricts the amount of time you are allowed to play a game, with the intention of making you a more effective and valuable contributer to the state. Yes. Because after you play those three hours, you must go work in the factory after. God forbid you go outside and get some fresh air. Honestly, I think the idea is kinda lame. (Exp reduction) but the intention of making you a m ore effective and valuable contributor to the state? A bit of a stretch dont' you think? Look, you don't like China. We get it. Just put it in your sig instead of distorting every thread with China = dictatorship.
Don't be a douche, I don't think the government should interfere with personal lives because I believe they have no right to. Stop making ridiculous strawmans that have nothing to do with what I said. Look at the big picture, if the government has the right to limit how much games you play, what internet sites you can visit, among other things, doesn't that make you wonder about the rights you have in the eyes of the government?
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On January 17 2009 03:50 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 03:34 KissBlade wrote:On January 17 2009 03:32 Frits wrote:On January 17 2009 03:27 KissBlade wrote:On January 17 2009 03:07 HeadBangaa wrote:On January 17 2009 02:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
HeadBangaa, please explain to me how this act is in anyway communist. No problem. This act expresses the statist social restrictions common to both communism and fascism; by dismantling the infrastructure of privacy, the government strengthens its ability to enforce said social restrictions. If making people register with their real names on video games instead of using a false id is communist then I don't even want to know what you think of our Patriots Act... You're leaving out the part where the government restricts the amount of time you are allowed to play a game, with the intention of making you a more effective and valuable contributer to the state. Yes. Because after you play those three hours, you must go work in the factory after. God forbid you go outside and get some fresh air. Honestly, I think the idea is kinda lame. (Exp reduction) but the intention of making you a m ore effective and valuable contributor to the state? A bit of a stretch dont' you think? Look, you don't like China. We get it. Just put it in your sig instead of distorting every thread with China = dictatorship. Don't be a douche, I don't think the government should interfere with personal lives because I believe they have no right to. Stop making ridiculous strawmans that have nothing to do with what I said. Look at the big picture, if the government has the right to limit how much games you play, what internet sites you can visit, among other things, doesn't that make you wonder about the rights you have in the eyes of the government?
You're accusing me of making a strawman argument? Are you serious with that? Or do you not see the innate hypocrisy of your post.
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On January 17 2009 03:42 cgrinker wrote:
I find it hard, with my cultural upbringing different than that of a kid from China, to actually try and critique the views of the Chinese government on things like video game playing. If you called me lazy and fat because I was from the US I'd probably call you an asshole too, you know>?
Maybe you should grow some balls and take a stance. Different cultural upbringing? You think there was some kind of video game epidemic in China that decimated their population? What a bunch of agreeable crap.
And what has calling an individual fat got to do with calling a government system faulty? A Chinese person has no reason to be insulted when you call their government a piece of crap. Stop making retarded comparisons please!!!!!!!!!!
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On January 17 2009 03:56 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 03:42 cgrinker wrote:
I find it hard, with my cultural upbringing different than that of a kid from China, to actually try and critique the views of the Chinese government on things like video game playing. If you called me lazy and fat because I was from the US I'd probably call you an asshole too, you know>? Maybe you should grow some balls and take a stance. Different cultural upbringing? You think there was some kind of video game epidemic in China that decimated their population? What a bunch of agreeable crap. And what has calling an individual fat got to do with calling a government system faulty? A Chinese person has no reason to be insulted when you call their government a piece of crap. Stop making retarded comparisons please!!!!!!!!!!
So you have no reason to be insulted if I called your government a piece of crap? Honest, I'm glad you paid attention in the first ten minutes of your logic class enough to hear the term "strawman" but did you sleep through the rest of it? You sure seem to take an awful lot of offense from other people's opinions. For a guy touting free speech and the like, you sure don't like many people using theirs.
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Those China threads always make me want to punch some people in the face.
The Chinese mob kids yelling " RAcism ! U jealous ! U damn WESterner" if there are criticism of the Chinese governement are quite annoying.
Fuck relativism and stupid people who can't understand that criticising.politicians doesn't mean that you hate the country or its citizens.
Anyway who cares, i don't live here.
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On January 17 2009 03:52 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 03:50 Frits wrote:On January 17 2009 03:34 KissBlade wrote:On January 17 2009 03:32 Frits wrote:On January 17 2009 03:27 KissBlade wrote:On January 17 2009 03:07 HeadBangaa wrote:On January 17 2009 02:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
HeadBangaa, please explain to me how this act is in anyway communist. No problem. This act expresses the statist social restrictions common to both communism and fascism; by dismantling the infrastructure of privacy, the government strengthens its ability to enforce said social restrictions. If making people register with their real names on video games instead of using a false id is communist then I don't even want to know what you think of our Patriots Act... You're leaving out the part where the government restricts the amount of time you are allowed to play a game, with the intention of making you a more effective and valuable contributer to the state. Yes. Because after you play those three hours, you must go work in the factory after. God forbid you go outside and get some fresh air. Honestly, I think the idea is kinda lame. (Exp reduction) but the intention of making you a m ore effective and valuable contributor to the state? A bit of a stretch dont' you think? Look, you don't like China. We get it. Just put it in your sig instead of distorting every thread with China = dictatorship. Don't be a douche, I don't think the government should interfere with personal lives because I believe they have no right to. Stop making ridiculous strawmans that have nothing to do with what I said. Look at the big picture, if the government has the right to limit how much games you play, what internet sites you can visit, among other things, doesn't that make you wonder about the rights you have in the eyes of the government? You're accusing me of making a strawman argument? Are you serious with that? Or do you not see the innate hypocrisy of your post.
If you're referring to me calling the motives of the Chinese government aimed at making the individual as effective as possible to the state, and that the state comes first in China, I don't really see how that is a strawman because I genuinely believe that's true and all the evidence I see points towards it.
You mention forced labor and factory work because I call personal freedom limited in China, that's a little different. Also you say "I don't like China" when all that I dislike is their government, that's 2 strawmen.
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On January 17 2009 04:02 Boblion wrote:
The Chinese mob kids yelling " RAcism ! U jealous ! U damn WESterner" if there are criticism of the Chinese governement are quite annoying.
I don't think any of those posts ever came up. Though we did have a few people calling others idiots, douche, and ball less. Those weren't the "Chinese mob kids" though?
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offtopic-There are reasons to dislike china just on human-rights and international trade habits.
ontopic-What about games that don't require you to put down your first and last name just requires a username.
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On January 17 2009 04:04 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 04:02 Boblion wrote:
The Chinese mob kids yelling " RAcism ! U jealous ! U damn WESterner" if there are criticism of the Chinese governement are quite annoying.
I don't think any of those posts ever came up. Though we did have a few people calling others idiots, douche, and ball less. Those weren't the "Chinese mob kids" though?
Uhhh you said that I dislike China and someone else made a comparison between criticizing a government and an individual. Stop pointing fingers lol.
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On January 17 2009 04:03 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 03:52 KissBlade wrote:On January 17 2009 03:50 Frits wrote:On January 17 2009 03:34 KissBlade wrote:On January 17 2009 03:32 Frits wrote:On January 17 2009 03:27 KissBlade wrote:On January 17 2009 03:07 HeadBangaa wrote:On January 17 2009 02:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
HeadBangaa, please explain to me how this act is in anyway communist. No problem. This act expresses the statist social restrictions common to both communism and fascism; by dismantling the infrastructure of privacy, the government strengthens its ability to enforce said social restrictions. If making people register with their real names on video games instead of using a false id is communist then I don't even want to know what you think of our Patriots Act... You're leaving out the part where the government restricts the amount of time you are allowed to play a game, with the intention of making you a more effective and valuable contributer to the state. Yes. Because after you play those three hours, you must go work in the factory after. God forbid you go outside and get some fresh air. Honestly, I think the idea is kinda lame. (Exp reduction) but the intention of making you a m ore effective and valuable contributor to the state? A bit of a stretch dont' you think? Look, you don't like China. We get it. Just put it in your sig instead of distorting every thread with China = dictatorship. Don't be a douche, I don't think the government should interfere with personal lives because I believe they have no right to. Stop making ridiculous strawmans that have nothing to do with what I said. Look at the big picture, if the government has the right to limit how much games you play, what internet sites you can visit, among other things, doesn't that make you wonder about the rights you have in the eyes of the government? You're accusing me of making a strawman argument? Are you serious with that? Or do you not see the innate hypocrisy of your post. If you're referring to me calling the motives of the Chinese government aimed at making the individual as effective as possible to the state, and that the state comes first in China, I don't really see how that is a strawman because I genuinely believe that's true and all the evidence I see points towards it. You mention forced labor and factory work because I call personal freedom limited in China, that's a little different. Also you say "I don't like China" when all that I dislike is their government, that's 2 strawmen.
No I'm referring to you accusing me of making a strawman in order to invalidate my post. Did you ever read the op's post? As for calling the motives, yes, there are motives of /any/ country aimed at making an individual as effective as possible to the state. In any government, their country comes first. (hopefully?) So I don't see how singling out China in this perspective is anything less then just nitpicking. Which leads me to the "I don't li ke China" part. Also if you really dislike your government, I point you to this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86183 which I notice you suitably ignored.
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On January 17 2009 04:06 IzzyCraft wrote:
offtopic-There are reasons to dislike china just on human-rights and international trade habits.
ontopic-What about games that don't require you to put down your first and last name just requires a username.
Offtopic: Sure, but if you dislike them, don't hide under any personal righteousness of concern for it's citizens. If you dislike the Chinese governments for it's trade habits, just say it. There, done.
Offtopic: The law only effects certain games I believe.
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On January 17 2009 03:57 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 03:56 Frits wrote:On January 17 2009 03:42 cgrinker wrote:
I find it hard, with my cultural upbringing different than that of a kid from China, to actually try and critique the views of the Chinese government on things like video game playing. If you called me lazy and fat because I was from the US I'd probably call you an asshole too, you know>? Maybe you should grow some balls and take a stance. Different cultural upbringing? You think there was some kind of video game epidemic in China that decimated their population? What a bunch of agreeable crap. And what has calling an individual fat got to do with calling a government system faulty? A Chinese person has no reason to be insulted when you call their government a piece of crap. Stop making retarded comparisons please!!!!!!!!!! So you have no reason to be insulted if I called your government a piece of crap? Honest, I'm glad you paid attention in the first ten minutes of your logic class enough to hear the term "strawman" but did you sleep through the rest of it? You sure seem to take an awful lot of offense from other people's opinions. For a guy touting free speech and the like, you sure don't like many people using theirs.
What's up with your smug sarcastic tone? Yes I believe that when you insult a government an individual shouldn't feel insulted, that's exactly what I think, and I don't see how that defies logic. Individual =/= government, especially when the government is not democratic. If an individual gets insulted when you call their government bad they are a bunch of nationalist idiots. They are basically fighting for the ideal that their government is without fault, which is incredibly ignorant.
oh I guess you wanted me to react to this post
On January 17 2009 03:39 KissBlade wrote:
Pardon me for trying to understand the situation here. But is it really out of genuine concern for Chinese citizens? Because if you genuinely care about the Chinese people, wouldn't it make more sense to be more involved and active in the plights of Asians in your own country first? Asians (Chinese included) are often one of the most persecuted in most foreign countries (heck even other countries in Asia), a little research would go a long way to show what you can do.
Unless of course you're doing it simply for the thrill of bashing another nation. If that's the case, well, you're just a very sad person. =P
Uhhh I don't see how Asians in my country or other western countries are persecuted? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I have a problem with limiting personal freedom. And this isn't about Asians, it's about governments that don't guarantee your human rights above all other things. So no, it wouldn't make sense for me, at all.
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On January 17 2009 04:04 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 04:02 Boblion wrote:
The Chinese mob kids yelling " RAcism ! U jealous ! U damn WESterner" if there are criticism of the Chinese governement are quite annoying.
I don't think any of those posts ever came up. Though we did have a few people calling others idiots, douche, and ball less. Those weren't the "Chinese mob kids" though?
That's exactly what you are trying to say. But you are smarter and educated so you don't say it directly.
But your overall answer is still the same. Summary: it is not your business + if you make criticism of the government you are an idiot and a China hater.
That's some serious nationalistic ego issues.
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On January 17 2009 04:15 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 03:57 KissBlade wrote:On January 17 2009 03:56 Frits wrote:On January 17 2009 03:42 cgrinker wrote:
I find it hard, with my cultural upbringing different than that of a kid from China, to actually try and critique the views of the Chinese government on things like video game playing. If you called me lazy and fat because I was from the US I'd probably call you an asshole too, you know>? Maybe you should grow some balls and take a stance. Different cultural upbringing? You think there was some kind of video game epidemic in China that decimated their population? What a bunch of agreeable crap. And what has calling an individual fat got to do with calling a government system faulty? A Chinese person has no reason to be insulted when you call their government a piece of crap. Stop making retarded comparisons please!!!!!!!!!! So you have no reason to be insulted if I called your government a piece of crap? Honest, I'm glad you paid attention in the first ten minutes of your logic class enough to hear the term "strawman" but did you sleep through the rest of it? You sure seem to take an awful lot of offense from other people's opinions. For a guy touting free speech and the like, you sure don't like many people using theirs. If an individual gets insulted when you call their government bad they are a bunch of nationalist idiots. They are basically fighting for the ideal that their government is without fault, which is incredibly ignorant.
See, the second line is what we call a "strawman" argument. The first line was just a flat out insult. An individual has all rights to be insulted if you call their government a piece of crap. (as you referred to it earlier) The government is part of the same country that the individual draws their national identity from. And this is especially true in a country like China, which if you studied history, has been stepped on and spat upon by more or less the entire European league, US and Japan. There is a reason Chinese citizens have a solidarity with their government and it has fuck all to do with what the government tell them. It's more because the government managed to reclaim China for the Chinese instead of having spheres of influences still in the nation that reads "no Dogs, no Chinese allowed". Think a little before you speak. If you go on /any/ Chinese forums, you will see plenty of dissent against government control at times. There is no way, Chinese citizens think their government without fault. However, that being said, it's still /their/ government.
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On January 17 2009 04:20 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 04:04 KissBlade wrote:On January 17 2009 04:02 Boblion wrote:
The Chinese mob kids yelling " RAcism ! U jealous ! U damn WESterner" if there are criticism of the Chinese governement are quite annoying.
I don't think any of those posts ever came up. Though we did have a few people calling others idiots, douche, and ball less. Those weren't the "Chinese mob kids" though? That's exactly what you are trying to say. But you are smarter and educated so you don't say it directly. But your overall answer is still the same. Summary: it is not your business + if you make criticism of the government you are an idiot and a China hater. That's some serious nationalistic ego issues.
Untrue, I think if you want to make criticisms of the government then put it where it belongs. But having /every/ thread derail into a Chinese government bashing thread gets really really old.
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On January 17 2009 04:22 KissBlade wrote:
There is a reason Chinese citizens have a solidarity with their government and it has fuck all to do with what the government tell them. It's more because the government managed to reclaim China for the Chinese instead of having spheres of influences still in the nation that reads "no Dogs, no Chinese allowed". Think a little before you speak. If you go on /any/ Chinese forums, you will see plenty of dissent against government control at times. There is no way, Chinese citizens think their government without fault. However, that being said, it's still /their/ government.
haha here we go, Westerners are racists.
Thank you for proving my point.
I stop here. Stupid arguments take too much time.
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On January 17 2009 04:25 Boblion wrote:
haha here we go, Westerners are racists.
Thank you for proving my point.
Where did I prove this...?
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rofl, anti fatigue system sounds pretty legit. wonder how effective it is??
and no, stuff like this would never pass in the us.
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On January 17 2009 04:27 Proposal wrote:
rofl, anti fatigue system sounds pretty legit. wonder how effective it is??
and no, stuff like this would never pass in the us.
Probably not but do keep in mind, it wasn't long ago when there was a mass of anti gaming in the US media/lawmakers as well. =) Thankfully that wave has passed by now and we're allowed to millions of hours of WoW-ing goodness ^_^.
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On January 17 2009 04:25 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 04:22 KissBlade wrote:
There is a reason Chinese citizens have a solidarity with their government and it has fuck all to do with what the government tell them. It's more because the government managed to reclaim China for the Chinese instead of having spheres of influences still in the nation that reads "no Dogs, no Chinese allowed". Think a little before you speak. If you go on /any/ Chinese forums, you will see plenty of dissent against government control at times. There is no way, Chinese citizens think their government without fault. However, that being said, it's still /their/ government. haha here we go, Westerners are racists. Thank you for proving my point. I stop here. Stupid arguments take too much time.
I'm assuming you're referring to your own stupid arguments taking too much time so it would be good to stop. As for that line being racist, I'd like to point out that's what /your own country actually did/. Or should I say, your government? But that's ok because you shouldn't take offense to even suggesting that your government was at one point, racist, right?
PS. I regularly defend Paris as one of the most tolerant cities I've ever lived in. (I completely loved my four month there, I thought the people in France treated me awesome and were pretty polite at all times.) The fact that you even think my post said "Westerners = racist" not only completely debunks your entire post of "people shouldn't be insulted when their government is critiqued" but also misconstrues mine.
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On January 17 2009 04:31 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 04:25 Boblion wrote:On January 17 2009 04:22 KissBlade wrote:
There is a reason Chinese citizens have a solidarity with their government and it has fuck all to do with what the government tell them. It's more because the government managed to reclaim China for the Chinese instead of having spheres of influences still in the nation that reads "no Dogs, no Chinese allowed". Think a little before you speak. If you go on /any/ Chinese forums, you will see plenty of dissent against government control at times. There is no way, Chinese citizens think their government without fault. However, that being said, it's still /their/ government. haha here we go, Westerners are racists. Thank you for proving my point. I stop here. Stupid arguments take too much time. I'm assuming you're referring to your own stupid arguments taking too much time so it would be good to stop. As for that line being racist, I'd like to point out that's what /your own country actually did/. Or should I say, your government? But that's ok because you shouldn't take offense to even suggesting that your government was at one point, racist, right?
No because denying it would be retarded, because governments, and most people, were racist back then. People learn from their mistakes.
And about solidarity, if the Chinese knew what Mao has on his conscience, along with other commmunist leaders their solidarity wouldn't be nearly as strong. How is their solidarity not controlled heavily through propaganda and censorship?
PS. I regularly defend Paris as one of the most tolerant cities I've ever lived in. (I completely loved my four month there, I thought the people in France treated me awesome and were pretty polite at all times.) The fact that you even think my post said "Westerners = racist" not only completely debunks your entire post of "people shouldn't be insulted when their government is critiqued" misconstrues mine.
Hey I love anecdotal evidence, please tell me more about how Paris is tolerant because of a few personal experiences.
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I'll give you the point that, yes, Mao was definitely one of the worst leaders of China after he managed to wrest control of the country. His government was completely corrupt and quite a few signs pointed to him more or less being a dictator under another name. However, the China of today is scarcely the same as it is then, so using that point isn't entirely valid IMO. if you want to say people learn from their mistakes, then it applies both ways. Even the most nationalist Chinese would admit Mao had some faults.
On January 17 2009 04:36 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +PS. I regularly defend Paris as one of the most tolerant cities I've ever lived in. (I completely loved my four month there, I thought the people in France treated me awesome and were pretty polite at all times.) The fact that you even think my post said "Westerners = racist" not only completely debunks your entire post of "people shouldn't be insulted when their government is critiqued" misconstrues mine. Hey I love anecdotal evidence, please tell me more about how Paris is tolerant because of a few personal experiences.
Offtopic: But personal experiences are where we form our opinions on =P. If you must know, one of the most touching moments I've had there was when I first went to a club and couldn't speak a lick of French worth mentioning. A friend of my friend (I didn't even know the guy) just offered flat out to show me around and help translate for me. Not the answer you're looking for, but still a fond experience of mine.
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On January 17 2009 04:23 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 04:20 Boblion wrote:On January 17 2009 04:04 KissBlade wrote:On January 17 2009 04:02 Boblion wrote:
The Chinese mob kids yelling " RAcism ! U jealous ! U damn WESterner" if there are criticism of the Chinese governement are quite annoying.
I don't think any of those posts ever came up. Though we did have a few people calling others idiots, douche, and ball less. Those weren't the "Chinese mob kids" though? That's exactly what you are trying to say. But you are smarter and educated so you don't say it directly. But your overall answer is still the same. Summary: it is not your business + if you make criticism of the government you are an idiot and a China hater. That's some serious nationalistic ego issues. Untrue, I think if you want to make criticisms of the government then put it where it belongs. But having /every/ thread derail into a Chinese government bashing thread gets really really old.
Are you kidding?
he's criticising a GOVERNMENT program... remind me again why his point is invalid??
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On January 17 2009 05:00 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 04:23 KissBlade wrote:On January 17 2009 04:20 Boblion wrote:On January 17 2009 04:04 KissBlade wrote:On January 17 2009 04:02 Boblion wrote:
The Chinese mob kids yelling " RAcism ! U jealous ! U damn WESterner" if there are criticism of the Chinese governement are quite annoying.
I don't think any of those posts ever came up. Though we did have a few people calling others idiots, douche, and ball less. Those weren't the "Chinese mob kids" though? That's exactly what you are trying to say. But you are smarter and educated so you don't say it directly. But your overall answer is still the same. Summary: it is not your business + if you make criticism of the government you are an idiot and a China hater. That's some serious nationalistic ego issues. Untrue, I think if you want to make criticisms of the government then put it where it belongs. But having /every/ thread derail into a Chinese government bashing thread gets really really old. Are you kidding? he's criticising a GOVERNMENT program... remind me again why his point is invalid??
I probably shouldn't respond to obvious trolling ... (ugh your sig *sighs*) but did you read the OP and the article yet?
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Hai gaiz.
can we please stop picking on defenseless ol china? All they ever wanted was to make us colorful toys and live in peace ^_^
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On January 17 2009 05:02 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 05:00 Hawk wrote:On January 17 2009 04:23 KissBlade wrote:On January 17 2009 04:20 Boblion wrote:On January 17 2009 04:04 KissBlade wrote:On January 17 2009 04:02 Boblion wrote:
The Chinese mob kids yelling " RAcism ! U jealous ! U damn WESterner" if there are criticism of the Chinese governement are quite annoying.
I don't think any of those posts ever came up. Though we did have a few people calling others idiots, douche, and ball less. Those weren't the "Chinese mob kids" though? That's exactly what you are trying to say. But you are smarter and educated so you don't say it directly. But your overall answer is still the same. Summary: it is not your business + if you make criticism of the government you are an idiot and a China hater. That's some serious nationalistic ego issues. Untrue, I think if you want to make criticisms of the government then put it where it belongs. But having /every/ thread derail into a Chinese government bashing thread gets really really old. Are you kidding? he's criticising a GOVERNMENT program... remind me again why his point is invalid?? I probably shouldn't respond to obvious trolling ... (ugh your sig *sighs*) but did you read the OP and the article yet?
Yes. And actually, you got trolled into thinking I was a troll.
And yes, I read it. It's a govt. program. His criticism is valid
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United States12607 Posts
I find it funny that KissBlade, who has spent his morning going above and beyond to stop "China bashing", is the main reason that this thread has turned into a discussion on the Chinese government in the first place.
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On January 17 2009 04:15 Frits wrote:Individual =/= government, especially when the government is not democratic. If an individual gets insulted when you call their government bad they are a bunch of nationalist idiots.
How you relate to your cultural and political surroundings make up a large part of how an individual defines oneself, more so in the east than the west. More often than not, this has the effect of making a person take offense to a criticism of their government. As such, a bit of tactfulness doesn't hurt in these sorts of scenarios; I'm sure you wouldn't like it either if I said your government was crap and that you were a nationalistic idiot for taking offense to that statement.
I'm not the biggest fan of every decision our governments make, whether its Chinese, Korean, or American. However, I do understand the necessity of the balance between restricting personal freedom and ensuring the good of the state. Every so often a random government gives the pretense of leaning towards one end more so than the other and people are quick to jump on the hate bandwagon without thinking the issue through rationally. I'm mainly targeting the typical "Well, this is crap because it sounds like the government is restricting personal freedom and that's always a bad thing in my book so I'm gonna take this opportunity to criticize the government based solely on this one decision without looking at both sides of the problem." responses.
I don't particularly like this decision on the Chinese government's part, but I understand why they would propose something like this. The potential benefits have already been pointed out. I believe time will tell whether they end up outweighing the negatives.
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On January 17 2009 05:11 jwd241224 wrote:
I find it funny that KissBlade, who has spent his morning going above and beyond to stop "China bashing", is the main reason that this thread has turned into a discussion on the Chinese government in the first place.
Yeah, I'm just going to stop. =) Some people obviously just get their fun out of certain things.
^^ Great post btw Sprite. Sums up my opinion completely.
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wow that really sucks that chinese government is cracking down on gaming
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United States12607 Posts
On January 17 2009 05:14 Racenilatr wrote:
wow that really sucks that chinese government is cracking down on gaming
Jesus, read the fucking thread.
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On January 17 2009 05:16 jwd241224 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 05:14 Racenilatr wrote:
wow that really sucks that chinese government is cracking down on gaming Jesus, read the fucking thread.
What about the anti-fatigue thing isn't cracking down on gaming?
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On January 17 2009 05:20 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 05:16 jwd241224 wrote:On January 17 2009 05:14 Racenilatr wrote:
wow that really sucks that chinese government is cracking down on gaming Jesus, read the fucking thread. What about the anti-fatigue thing isn't cracking down on gaming?
Don't really think it's a big deal, it's probably not healthy sitting and staring at a computer for more than 3 hours straight and what Emlary said is that it's not like they can only play 3 hours a day it was just 3 hours in a consecutive time period so they might be able to play for 3 hours take a break for an hour or 2 and come right back.
It actually seems like a good idea to me. Also making people accountable for their actions online, like how they would be made accountable in real life also doesn't seem to bad (referring to the need for name in registration for online games).
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Lets just not talk about china ever again please.
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