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ilovehnk
Profile Joined October 2008
475 Posts
January 16 2009 18:48 GMT
#41
not surprising.....
Hikou Shinketsushuu
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
January 16 2009 18:50 GMT
#42
On January 17 2009 03:34 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2009 03:32 Frits wrote:
On January 17 2009 03:27 KissBlade wrote:
On January 17 2009 03:07 HeadBangaa wrote:
On January 17 2009 02:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
HeadBangaa, please explain to me how this act is in anyway communist.

No problem.
This act expresses the statist social restrictions common to both communism and fascism; by dismantling the infrastructure of privacy, the government strengthens its ability to enforce said social restrictions.



If making people register with their real names on video games instead of using a false id is communist then I don't even want to know what you think of our Patriots Act...


You're leaving out the part where the government restricts the amount of time you are allowed to play a game, with the intention of making you a more effective and valuable contributer to the state.



Yes. Because after you play those three hours, you must go work in the factory after. God forbid you go outside and get some fresh air. Honestly, I think the idea is kinda lame. (Exp reduction) but the intention of making you a m ore effective and valuable contributor to the state? A bit of a stretch dont' you think? Look, you don't like China. We get it. Just put it in your sig instead of distorting every thread with China = dictatorship.


Don't be a douche, I don't think the government should interfere with personal lives because I believe they have no right to. Stop making ridiculous strawmans that have nothing to do with what I said. Look at the big picture, if the government has the right to limit how much games you play, what internet sites you can visit, among other things, doesn't that make you wonder about the rights you have in the eyes of the government?
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
January 16 2009 18:52 GMT
#43
On January 17 2009 03:50 Frits wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2009 03:34 KissBlade wrote:
On January 17 2009 03:32 Frits wrote:
On January 17 2009 03:27 KissBlade wrote:
On January 17 2009 03:07 HeadBangaa wrote:
On January 17 2009 02:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
HeadBangaa, please explain to me how this act is in anyway communist.

No problem.
This act expresses the statist social restrictions common to both communism and fascism; by dismantling the infrastructure of privacy, the government strengthens its ability to enforce said social restrictions.



If making people register with their real names on video games instead of using a false id is communist then I don't even want to know what you think of our Patriots Act...


You're leaving out the part where the government restricts the amount of time you are allowed to play a game, with the intention of making you a more effective and valuable contributer to the state.



Yes. Because after you play those three hours, you must go work in the factory after. God forbid you go outside and get some fresh air. Honestly, I think the idea is kinda lame. (Exp reduction) but the intention of making you a m ore effective and valuable contributor to the state? A bit of a stretch dont' you think? Look, you don't like China. We get it. Just put it in your sig instead of distorting every thread with China = dictatorship.


Don't be a douche, I don't think the government should interfere with personal lives because I believe they have no right to. Stop making ridiculous strawmans that have nothing to do with what I said. Look at the big picture, if the government has the right to limit how much games you play, what internet sites you can visit, among other things, doesn't that make you wonder about the rights you have in the eyes of the government?


You're accusing me of making a strawman argument? Are you serious with that? Or do you not see the innate hypocrisy of your post.
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
January 16 2009 18:56 GMT
#44
On January 17 2009 03:42 cgrinker wrote:
I find it hard, with my cultural upbringing different than that of a kid from China, to actually try and critique the views of the Chinese government on things like video game playing. If you called me lazy and fat because I was from the US I'd probably call you an asshole too, you know>?


Maybe you should grow some balls and take a stance. Different cultural upbringing? You think there was some kind of video game epidemic in China that decimated their population? What a bunch of agreeable crap.

And what has calling an individual fat got to do with calling a government system faulty? A Chinese person has no reason to be insulted when you call their government a piece of crap. Stop making retarded comparisons please!!!!!!!!!!
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 18:58:31
January 16 2009 18:57 GMT
#45
On January 17 2009 03:56 Frits wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2009 03:42 cgrinker wrote:
I find it hard, with my cultural upbringing different than that of a kid from China, to actually try and critique the views of the Chinese government on things like video game playing. If you called me lazy and fat because I was from the US I'd probably call you an asshole too, you know>?


Maybe you should grow some balls and take a stance. Different cultural upbringing? You think there was some kind of video game epidemic in China that decimated their population? What a bunch of agreeable crap.

And what has calling an individual fat got to do with calling a government system faulty? A Chinese person has no reason to be insulted when you call their government a piece of crap. Stop making retarded comparisons please!!!!!!!!!!



So you have no reason to be insulted if I called your government a piece of crap? Honest, I'm glad you paid attention in the first ten minutes of your logic class enough to hear the term "strawman" but did you sleep through the rest of it? You sure seem to take an awful lot of offense from other people's opinions. For a guy touting free speech and the like, you sure don't like many people using theirs.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
January 16 2009 19:02 GMT
#46
Those China threads always make me want to punch some people in the face.

The Chinese mob kids yelling " RAcism ! U jealous ! U damn WESterner" if there are criticism of the Chinese governement are quite annoying.

Fuck relativism and stupid people who can't understand that criticising.politicians doesn't mean that you hate the country or its citizens.

Anyway who cares, i don't live here.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 19:04:16
January 16 2009 19:03 GMT
#47
On January 17 2009 03:52 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2009 03:50 Frits wrote:
On January 17 2009 03:34 KissBlade wrote:
On January 17 2009 03:32 Frits wrote:
On January 17 2009 03:27 KissBlade wrote:
On January 17 2009 03:07 HeadBangaa wrote:
On January 17 2009 02:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
HeadBangaa, please explain to me how this act is in anyway communist.

No problem.
This act expresses the statist social restrictions common to both communism and fascism; by dismantling the infrastructure of privacy, the government strengthens its ability to enforce said social restrictions.



If making people register with their real names on video games instead of using a false id is communist then I don't even want to know what you think of our Patriots Act...


You're leaving out the part where the government restricts the amount of time you are allowed to play a game, with the intention of making you a more effective and valuable contributer to the state.



Yes. Because after you play those three hours, you must go work in the factory after. God forbid you go outside and get some fresh air. Honestly, I think the idea is kinda lame. (Exp reduction) but the intention of making you a m ore effective and valuable contributor to the state? A bit of a stretch dont' you think? Look, you don't like China. We get it. Just put it in your sig instead of distorting every thread with China = dictatorship.


Don't be a douche, I don't think the government should interfere with personal lives because I believe they have no right to. Stop making ridiculous strawmans that have nothing to do with what I said. Look at the big picture, if the government has the right to limit how much games you play, what internet sites you can visit, among other things, doesn't that make you wonder about the rights you have in the eyes of the government?


You're accusing me of making a strawman argument? Are you serious with that? Or do you not see the innate hypocrisy of your post.


If you're referring to me calling the motives of the Chinese government aimed at making the individual as effective as possible to the state, and that the state comes first in China, I don't really see how that is a strawman because I genuinely believe that's true and all the evidence I see points towards it.

You mention forced labor and factory work because I call personal freedom limited in China, that's a little different. Also you say "I don't like China" when all that I dislike is their government, that's 2 strawmen.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
January 16 2009 19:04 GMT
#48
On January 17 2009 04:02 Boblion wrote:
The Chinese mob kids yelling " RAcism ! U jealous ! U damn WESterner" if there are criticism of the Chinese governement are quite annoying.



I don't think any of those posts ever came up. Though we did have a few people calling others idiots, douche, and ball less. Those weren't the "Chinese mob kids" though?
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
January 16 2009 19:06 GMT
#49
offtopic-There are reasons to dislike china just on human-rights and international trade habits.
ontopic-What about games that don't require you to put down your first and last name just requires a username.
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 19:08:09
January 16 2009 19:07 GMT
#50
On January 17 2009 04:04 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2009 04:02 Boblion wrote:
The Chinese mob kids yelling " RAcism ! U jealous ! U damn WESterner" if there are criticism of the Chinese governement are quite annoying.



I don't think any of those posts ever came up. Though we did have a few people calling others idiots, douche, and ball less. Those weren't the "Chinese mob kids" though?


Uhhh you said that I dislike China and someone else made a comparison between criticizing a government and an individual. Stop pointing fingers lol.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
January 16 2009 19:09 GMT
#51
On January 17 2009 04:03 Frits wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2009 03:52 KissBlade wrote:
On January 17 2009 03:50 Frits wrote:
On January 17 2009 03:34 KissBlade wrote:
On January 17 2009 03:32 Frits wrote:
On January 17 2009 03:27 KissBlade wrote:
On January 17 2009 03:07 HeadBangaa wrote:
On January 17 2009 02:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
HeadBangaa, please explain to me how this act is in anyway communist.

No problem.
This act expresses the statist social restrictions common to both communism and fascism; by dismantling the infrastructure of privacy, the government strengthens its ability to enforce said social restrictions.



If making people register with their real names on video games instead of using a false id is communist then I don't even want to know what you think of our Patriots Act...


You're leaving out the part where the government restricts the amount of time you are allowed to play a game, with the intention of making you a more effective and valuable contributer to the state.



Yes. Because after you play those three hours, you must go work in the factory after. God forbid you go outside and get some fresh air. Honestly, I think the idea is kinda lame. (Exp reduction) but the intention of making you a m ore effective and valuable contributor to the state? A bit of a stretch dont' you think? Look, you don't like China. We get it. Just put it in your sig instead of distorting every thread with China = dictatorship.


Don't be a douche, I don't think the government should interfere with personal lives because I believe they have no right to. Stop making ridiculous strawmans that have nothing to do with what I said. Look at the big picture, if the government has the right to limit how much games you play, what internet sites you can visit, among other things, doesn't that make you wonder about the rights you have in the eyes of the government?


You're accusing me of making a strawman argument? Are you serious with that? Or do you not see the innate hypocrisy of your post.


If you're referring to me calling the motives of the Chinese government aimed at making the individual as effective as possible to the state, and that the state comes first in China, I don't really see how that is a strawman because I genuinely believe that's true and all the evidence I see points towards it.

You mention forced labor and factory work because I call personal freedom limited in China, that's a little different. Also you say "I don't like China" when all that I dislike is their government, that's 2 strawmen.


No I'm referring to you accusing me of making a strawman in order to invalidate my post. Did you ever read the op's post? As for calling the motives, yes, there are motives of /any/ country aimed at making an individual as effective as possible to the state. In any government, their country comes first. (hopefully?) So I don't see how singling out China in this perspective is anything less then just nitpicking. Which leads me to the "I don't li ke China" part. Also if you really dislike your government, I point you to this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86183 which I notice you suitably ignored.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
January 16 2009 19:11 GMT
#52
On January 17 2009 04:06 IzzyCraft wrote:
offtopic-There are reasons to dislike china just on human-rights and international trade habits.
ontopic-What about games that don't require you to put down your first and last name just requires a username.


Offtopic: Sure, but if you dislike them, don't hide under any personal righteousness of concern for it's citizens. If you dislike the Chinese governments for it's trade habits, just say it. There, done.
Offtopic: The law only effects certain games I believe.
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 19:23:02
January 16 2009 19:15 GMT
#53
On January 17 2009 03:57 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2009 03:56 Frits wrote:
On January 17 2009 03:42 cgrinker wrote:
I find it hard, with my cultural upbringing different than that of a kid from China, to actually try and critique the views of the Chinese government on things like video game playing. If you called me lazy and fat because I was from the US I'd probably call you an asshole too, you know>?


Maybe you should grow some balls and take a stance. Different cultural upbringing? You think there was some kind of video game epidemic in China that decimated their population? What a bunch of agreeable crap.

And what has calling an individual fat got to do with calling a government system faulty? A Chinese person has no reason to be insulted when you call their government a piece of crap. Stop making retarded comparisons please!!!!!!!!!!



So you have no reason to be insulted if I called your government a piece of crap? Honest, I'm glad you paid attention in the first ten minutes of your logic class enough to hear the term "strawman" but did you sleep through the rest of it? You sure seem to take an awful lot of offense from other people's opinions. For a guy touting free speech and the like, you sure don't like many people using theirs.


What's up with your smug sarcastic tone? Yes I believe that when you insult a government an individual shouldn't feel insulted, that's exactly what I think, and I don't see how that defies logic. Individual =/= government, especially when the government is not democratic. If an individual gets insulted when you call their government bad they are a bunch of nationalist idiots. They are basically fighting for the ideal that their government is without fault, which is incredibly ignorant.

oh I guess you wanted me to react to this post

On January 17 2009 03:39 KissBlade wrote:
Pardon me for trying to understand the situation here. But is it really out of genuine concern for Chinese citizens? Because if you genuinely care about the Chinese people, wouldn't it make more sense to be more involved and active in the plights of Asians in your own country first? Asians (Chinese included) are often one of the most persecuted in most foreign countries (heck even other countries in Asia), a little research would go a long way to show what you can do.

Unless of course you're doing it simply for the thrill of bashing another nation. If that's the case, well, you're just a very sad person. =P


Uhhh I don't see how Asians in my country or other western countries are persecuted? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I have a problem with limiting personal freedom. And this isn't about Asians, it's about governments that don't guarantee your human rights above all other things. So no, it wouldn't make sense for me, at all.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 19:21:48
January 16 2009 19:20 GMT
#54
On January 17 2009 04:04 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2009 04:02 Boblion wrote:
The Chinese mob kids yelling " RAcism ! U jealous ! U damn WESterner" if there are criticism of the Chinese governement are quite annoying.



I don't think any of those posts ever came up. Though we did have a few people calling others idiots, douche, and ball less. Those weren't the "Chinese mob kids" though?

That's exactly what you are trying to say. But you are smarter and educated so you don't say it directly.
But your overall answer is still the same. Summary: it is not your business + if you make criticism of the government you are an idiot and a China hater.

That's some serious nationalistic ego issues.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
January 16 2009 19:22 GMT
#55
On January 17 2009 04:15 Frits wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2009 03:57 KissBlade wrote:
On January 17 2009 03:56 Frits wrote:
On January 17 2009 03:42 cgrinker wrote:
I find it hard, with my cultural upbringing different than that of a kid from China, to actually try and critique the views of the Chinese government on things like video game playing. If you called me lazy and fat because I was from the US I'd probably call you an asshole too, you know>?


Maybe you should grow some balls and take a stance. Different cultural upbringing? You think there was some kind of video game epidemic in China that decimated their population? What a bunch of agreeable crap.

And what has calling an individual fat got to do with calling a government system faulty? A Chinese person has no reason to be insulted when you call their government a piece of crap. Stop making retarded comparisons please!!!!!!!!!!



So you have no reason to be insulted if I called your government a piece of crap? Honest, I'm glad you paid attention in the first ten minutes of your logic class enough to hear the term "strawman" but did you sleep through the rest of it? You sure seem to take an awful lot of offense from other people's opinions. For a guy touting free speech and the like, you sure don't like many people using theirs.


If an individual gets insulted when you call their government bad they are a bunch of nationalist idiots. They are basically fighting for the ideal that their government is without fault, which is incredibly ignorant.


See, the second line is what we call a "strawman" argument. The first line was just a flat out insult. An individual has all rights to be insulted if you call their government a piece of crap. (as you referred to it earlier) The government is part of the same country that the individual draws their national identity from. And this is especially true in a country like China, which if you studied history, has been stepped on and spat upon by more or less the entire European league, US and Japan. There is a reason Chinese citizens have a solidarity with their government and it has fuck all to do with what the government tell them. It's more because the government managed to reclaim China for the Chinese instead of having spheres of influences still in the nation that reads "no Dogs, no Chinese allowed". Think a little before you speak. If you go on /any/ Chinese forums, you will see plenty of dissent against government control at times. There is no way, Chinese citizens think their government without fault. However, that being said, it's still /their/ government.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
January 16 2009 19:23 GMT
#56
On January 17 2009 04:20 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2009 04:04 KissBlade wrote:
On January 17 2009 04:02 Boblion wrote:
The Chinese mob kids yelling " RAcism ! U jealous ! U damn WESterner" if there are criticism of the Chinese governement are quite annoying.



I don't think any of those posts ever came up. Though we did have a few people calling others idiots, douche, and ball less. Those weren't the "Chinese mob kids" though?

That's exactly what you are trying to say. But you are smarter and educated so you don't say it directly.
But your overall answer is still the same. Summary: it is not your business + if you make criticism of the government you are an idiot and a China hater.

That's some serious nationalistic ego issues.



Untrue, I think if you want to make criticisms of the government then put it where it belongs. But having /every/ thread derail into a Chinese government bashing thread gets really really old.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 19:28:35
January 16 2009 19:25 GMT
#57
On January 17 2009 04:22 KissBlade wrote:
There is a reason Chinese citizens have a solidarity with their government and it has fuck all to do with what the government tell them. It's more because the government managed to reclaim China for the Chinese instead of having spheres of influences still in the nation that reads "no Dogs, no Chinese allowed". Think a little before you speak. If you go on /any/ Chinese forums, you will see plenty of dissent against government control at times. There is no way, Chinese citizens think their government without fault. However, that being said, it's still /their/ government.


haha here we go, Westerners are racists.
Thank you for proving my point.

I stop here. Stupid arguments take too much time.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
January 16 2009 19:26 GMT
#58
On January 17 2009 04:25 Boblion wrote:
haha here we go, Westerners are racists.
Thank you for proving my point.



Where did I prove this...?
Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
January 16 2009 19:27 GMT
#59
rofl, anti fatigue system sounds pretty legit. wonder how effective it is??

and no, stuff like this would never pass in the us.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
January 16 2009 19:29 GMT
#60
On January 17 2009 04:27 Proposal wrote:
rofl, anti fatigue system sounds pretty legit. wonder how effective it is??

and no, stuff like this would never pass in the us.



Probably not but do keep in mind, it wasn't long ago when there was a mass of anti gaming in the US media/lawmakers as well. =) Thankfully that wave has passed by now and we're allowed to millions of hours of WoW-ing goodness ^_^.
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