On September 29 2008 01:16 goldenkrnboi wrote: GGplay will upset flash and go on to win his second OSL stork will be in the finals and win his 2183693876 silver
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.
Your chear for ktf, what? GOGO FLASH TO KILL STORK
I think BeSt will beat Midas and then knock Stork out in the Ro4 due to gosu PvP. I can see Fantasy knocking Flash out, which will leave us with a Fantasy vs. BeSt finals.
Though I'd love to see Stork OR BeSt win the whole thing.
On September 29 2008 01:20 DownMaxX wrote: I think BeSt will beat Midas and then knock Stork out in the Ro4 due to gosu PvP. I can see fantasy knocking Flash out, which will leave us with a fantasy vs. BeSt finals.
Though I'd love to see Stork OR BeSt win the whole thing.
BeSt's PvT is not that great, and Midas has slightly better stats than him in PvT.
Considering that they're teammates, they know each others style.
Flash has an insane TvT skill. Though it IS possible that fantasy can outplay Flash.
On September 29 2008 01:20 DownMaxX wrote: I think BeSt will beat Midas and then knock Stork out in the Ro4 due to gosu PvP. I can see fantasy knocking Flash out, which will leave us with a fantasy vs. BeSt finals.
Seconded (or thirded, looks like lolaloc seconded already). Midas looks very solid but BeSt will raise his level a notch and outplay him in what should be a great series. Then BeSt will walk over Stork like he was training on Bnet.
On September 29 2008 01:47 economist_ wrote: The result of Bisu vs Stork match decides it all as the winner will have the probability of 0,25 of taking the gold home
any ro8 match winner has a 0.25 probability of taking it home, there are 4 semifinalists
and i hate all samsung players with a passion, FBH, cuteangel, stork, they all annoy me with everything they do. seriously i hope samsung crashes and burns next proleague.
Lol Hot_Bid. I meant Stork needs to take down bisu first, this is the biggest obstacle imo as in the semi Best, if he wins, is not a monster like Stork or Bisu PvsP
what makes you think that Midas is gonna beat Best? but i think Midas has to beat Best if Stork wants to advance to finals or else his screwed against Best
On September 29 2008 01:54 economist_ wrote: Lol Hot_Bid. I meant Stork needs to take down bisu first, this is the biggest obstacle imo as in the semi Best, if he wins, is not a monster like Stork or Bisu PvsP
did you just say best isn't as good at pvp as bisu or stork
On September 29 2008 01:54 economist_ wrote: Lol Hot_Bid. I meant Stork needs to take down bisu first, this is the biggest obstacle imo as in the semi Best, if he wins, is not a monster like Stork or Bisu PvsP
I think I have never disagreed that much with any other post. I think BeSt is the best PvPer ever. He has'nt lost to a P since February, and is on a 14 win streak in this match up. But more importatntly, all his games have been nothing short of impressive. He has a sick timing sense and his Bos are always perfectly fitted to the map.
And Hot_Bid, I am glad I am not the only one Khan hater in the place. I don't know which guy I hate most though. Maybe Frozea, because not only is he irritating, he is also a bad player and has a horrendous aka (CuteAngel. With your buttface? WTF???).
On September 29 2008 01:54 economist_ wrote: Lol Hot_Bid. I meant Stork needs to take down bisu first, this is the biggest obstacle imo as in the semi Best, if he wins, is not a monster like Stork or Bisu PvsP
On September 29 2008 01:54 economist_ wrote: Lol Hot_Bid. I meant Stork needs to take down bisu first, this is the biggest obstacle imo as in the semi Best, if he wins, is not a monster like Stork or Bisu PvsP
On September 29 2008 01:47 economist_ wrote: The result of Bisu vs Stork match decides it all as the winner will have the probability of 0,25 of taking the gold home
any ro8 match winner has a 0.25 probability of taking it home, there are 4 semifinalists
and i hate all samsung players with a passion, FBH, cuteangel, stork, they all annoy me with everything they do. seriously i hope samsung crashes and burns next proleague.
On September 29 2008 01:54 economist_ wrote: Lol Hot_Bid. I meant Stork needs to take down bisu first, this is the biggest obstacle imo as in the semi Best, if he wins, is not a monster like Stork or Bisu PvsP
did you just say best isn't as good at pvp as bisu or stork
I said he is a monster and possibly has a better record but it is unpredictable when he faces either bisu or stork. I remember best doesnt have positive stats against Stork (2-2) and he lost to Bisu in SPL, and Stork is not entirely a favourite when he comes to meet Bisu. ?
i think it all depends on if midas beats best. i think stork in his current state could beat midas and flash without too much trouble. but vs best would be a hard match
Psht... more like Bisu will. Or least he'll beat Stork since he has Best to practice with, and it's about time we get to see Bisu with some of his old mojo back. What better way than for him to say to Stork "No, I will not let you win the OSL silver this time." :d
I've not been following for a bit, but this is what I know (knew).
For all the flak he's given, Stork is still about top 3 PvT and PvP (correct me if I'm wrong), and his PvZ is still lacking (ala Lux).
Now, in the chance that GGplay again beats Flash (who's again shaky), does GGplay play Stork directly in the semis, or will it have to be the finals (assuming, Stork beats Bisu)?
Because I can totally see Stork losing to GGplay more than any of the other players. Again, this is not saying GGplay will dominate, this is just saying PvZ is Stork's weakest matchup.
On September 29 2008 03:52 Danger_Duck wrote: Work with me here:
I've not been following for a bit, but this is what I know (knew).
For all the flak he's given, Stork is still about top 3 PvT and PvP (correct me if I'm wrong), and his PvZ is still lacking (ala Lux).
Now, in the chance that GGplay again beats Flash (who's again shaky), does GGplay play Stork directly in the semis, or will it have to be the finals (assuming, Stork beats Bisu)?
Because I can totally see Stork losing to GGplay more than any of the other players. Again, this is not saying GGplay will dominate, this is just saying PvZ is Stork's weakest matchup.
So yeah, I pick Stork losing to Zerg again
yeah but...there`s a problem: GGplay won`T win against Flash
On September 29 2008 01:54 economist_ wrote: Lol Hot_Bid. I meant Stork needs to take down bisu first, this is the biggest obstacle imo as in the semi Best, if he wins, is not a monster like Stork or Bisu PvsP
Lol wut?
Bisus PvP is fucking disgusting....
While Pusan, Stork and Best are known as the best of PvP, ffs best is like 29-5 or some shit
I think I want to see a Stork 3-2 GGPlay Final for this OSL (they can't meet before the Grand Finals, can they?). It fulfills the Legend of the Fall, and finally, finally gives Stork a win. Either that, or BeSt for the win. x3 About Flash -- he's not playing poorly, but I can't see him as currently playing at his best, either~
If Midas beats Best in the ro8 and Flash holds GGPlay, his road is wide open. As much as I'd love to see Bisu reincarnated, I have my doubts regarding his PvP. The game against Much was crisp though. Good, solid play.
Im hoping Bisu redeems himself and shows inspiring play for an epic Flash vs Bisu final, however I realize chances are slim. With these brackets fantasy and BeSt are likely favorites to reach the final. However anything can happen. All the players in this RO8 are all really good, but some are clearly more inform than others.
Out of those 8 there are 4 champions, the best current protoss, one of the most inform terran players who has shown really good TvT play - the only MU hed have to play if he gets lucky with the other results, a hungry Midas looking to reach his first final, and the birdtoss with all his silverware.
On September 29 2008 01:54 economist_ wrote: Lol Hot_Bid. I meant Stork needs to take down bisu first, this is the biggest obstacle imo as in the semi Best, if he wins, is not a monster like Stork or Bisu PvsP
Lol wut?
Bisus PvP is fucking disgusting....
While Pusan, Stork and Best are known as the best of PvP, ffs best is like 29-5 or some shit
Ugh... why do people still claim Pusan is great at PvP? He's not, he beats up marginal PvPers in proleague, and he doesn't even really do that anymore. I'd take a slumping Bisu over an in form Pusan in PvP any day of the week.
Fantasy will win this OSL, beating Stork in finals, so destroying legend of the fall completely and Stork will become only protoss to lose 2 finals in fall season.
Flash will then get dominated by by.fantasy (considering Flash isn't that great at tvt and fantasy's had one of the top tvt's for a while, no surprise since he's on the same team as Canata)
The only reason why stork has been doing so well over a damn long period of time is because he keeps evading the msl/osl curse by never getting gold. If he actually wins this it would probably be the end of his consistent career though... so maybe its not such a good idea for storky to get gold.
Stork won't win this OSL, though he has a very good chance of making yet another appearance in the finals. However, even if he does make it to the finals, I don't think he'll win.
Stork's problem with winning titles has NEVER been his skill level (which has been the highest and most consistent of any Protoss in history), or even the matchups necessarily. His problem is a combination of his style and his mentality.
Part of what makes Stork so good is that he plays his games with remarkable consistency (considering how high of a level he plays at). But when it comes to finals, he has two choices:
1. Play to his strength - that is, keep playing the same way he always does. Problem with this is that you have to up your game in the final, and play the metagame as well. You have to do more than just play a standard BO5, because killer strategies and cheeses that would only work once against a given player are saved for finals.
2. Play to his weakness - that is, come up with some unorthodox play. This is practically a requisite to win finals, but doing so would require Stork to play away from his strength, which he is just so comfortable (and good) at doing.
Thus, Stork's style is one hindrance that keeps him from winning finals. The other problem, of course, is his mentality. Now I've always felt that mental state is overrated for the most part - no question it's a factor, but not as big as people like to make it out to be always. But with Stork, this is a different story. He has gotten worse and worse at finals and the pressure is palpable - you can practically feel it watching him play. With Stork, losing the first game immediately invokes imagery of a sweep. Losing a game to an unexpected cheese or a brilliant strategy is more than losing a game with Stork, because it always brings back to the forefront the fact that Stork has never shown the ability to take his metagame to a higher level. Lastly, even when Stork is on the brink of winning, such as when he was 2-2 with Bisu, a weaker overall PvP (but stronger finalist), the pressure is STILL there because now he's oh so close. Basically, when you've lost as many finals as Stork has (and never won a single starleague title), it's lose-lose regardless of the situation. If he's ahead, it's choke away the lead time. If he's behind, it's choke into a sweep time.
I like Stork as a player, probably more than most people on TL. He's been the best player in the world over several periods of times (not long periods, but still), if you overlook his inability to win finals. Of course, that's a huge if. Even his PvZ isn't THAT bad, but since his PvP and PvT are so good they make his average to below-average PvZ look atrocious. Maybe he can pull it off after all, but I'd still put my money on Flash or someone else.
On September 29 2008 05:59 Hyperionnn wrote: Fantasy will win this OSL, beating Stork in finals, so destroying legend of the fall completely and Stork will become only protoss to lose 2 finals in fall season.
Haha, that would be nice, Fantasy walking his royal road after he beats Stork 3-0. Hehehe.
The OSL gold it´s between Beesu and BeSt I guess... No way Stork is going to win this one, specially with the possibility of playing in the final agains´t Flash or in the quarterfinals agains´t BeSt...
On September 29 2008 07:33 Juanpe wrote: The OSL gold it´s between Beesu and BeSt I guess... No way Stork is going to win this one, specially with the possibility of playing in the final agains´t Flash or in the quarterfinals agains´t BeSt...
Wi 07 ShinHan Bank Season 3 - sAviOr > NaDa Su 07 Daum - GGPlay > Iris Fa 07 EVER 2007 - Jaedong > Stork Sp 08 Bacchus 2008 - meh Su 08 EVER 2008 - July > BeSt
Hmm, that first picture is probably the first one I've seen where stork actually looked cool. Delete the others...that'll make him seem more of a champ.
Look, Stork is like Goodfriend - a very solid player, but on the wrong end of the highlight reel every single time. I just don't see that changing.
The new wave of protoss is pretty lame, though, honestly. Bisu was entertaining to watch for a while, but he's stagnant now. Stork and Best are just too 'meh' (granted Stork wins that contest easily). Much at least shows some spark, and it's a shame he's not in it anymore. Time to go watch some old Ra VODs and relive the glory days!
On September 29 2008 01:16 goldenkrnboi wrote: GGplay will upset flash and go on to win his second OSL stork will be in the finals and win his 2183693876 silver
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.
Your chear for ktf, what? GOGO FLASH TO KILL STORK
On September 29 2008 10:19 Sp1ralArch1tect wrote: Why does everyone is this thread think Stork is better than Best? Have you ever watched StarCraft?
Because Stork is playing better than Best and has historically had better results than him. Stork beat him 2-1 in that series in Bacchus and then Best felt the need to cheese Stork in the rematch on andromeda. It mostly has to do with the fact that Stork is on fire right now though.
I can't be the only one who sees Mind winning as a not too far-fetched possibility. Sure, its a stretch for him, but so was taking out iloveoov, savior and bisu in his MSL run.
Personally, I think Midas is a strong contender...I see Flash getting upset again like in the last OSL...whether it be in the semis or the finals doesn't matter.
Stork's a solid overall player, but always seems to stumble against the players at the top of their form at the time. BUT...he does show moments of absolute top-class brilliance. If he can keep that up, then he most certainly has a chance.
On September 29 2008 10:19 Sp1ralArch1tect wrote: Why does everyone is this thread think Stork is better than Best? Have you ever watched StarCraft?
Stork is the best PvTer in the world, on a balanced map.
Granted Best IS highly impressive when it comes to both PvT and especially PvP.
Many forget that Stork is pretty damn beastly PvP as well though, which is why a semifinal of the two would be a great fight, on pretty even basis.
I too believe that this is Storks OSL to lose though, his play shines while doing nothing but playing ultra-solid starcraft with little to no mistakes.
On October 01 2008 05:43 Ry-Masta-T wrote: wtf is all this legend of the fall business. Can someone clarify?
What is the Legend of the Fall? The Legend of the Fall is a beleive that a Protoss player will win the OSL in the Fall. This Legend started in SKY 2001 where Garimto defeated Boxer in the fall, stopping Boxer from winning three back to back OSLs. This curse was perpetuated the following fall in SKY 2002 where Reach defeated Boxer once again in the Fall.
On October 01 2008 06:22 benjammin wrote: Stork needs Midas to beat BeSt, because I really think BeSt > Stork, how can you bet against an 84% winning pct in PvP?
On September 29 2008 10:19 Sp1ralArch1tect wrote: Why does everyone is this thread think Stork is better than Best? Have you ever watched StarCraft?
Have you ever watched Starcraft?
Best's PvZ and PvT are both not very strong (something Best fanboys seem to overlook). Best's saving grace lies in PvP where he is 2-2 against Stork.
Stork has a better PvZ (or roughly equal), one of the best PvT, and splits games versus the best PvP player in the world. Stork is simply much more well rounded.
On September 29 2008 10:19 Sp1ralArch1tect wrote: Why does everyone is this thread think Stork is better than Best? Have you ever watched StarCraft?
Have you ever watched Starcraft?
Best's PvZ and PvT are both not very strong (something Best fanboys seem to overlook). Best's saving grace lies in PvP where he is 2-2 against Stork.
Stork has a better PvZ (or roughly equal), one of the best PvT, and splits games versus the best PvP player in the world. Stork is simply much more well rounded.
I'll put it in a more easy to digest way for BeSt fans:
Best has lost only 5 televised PvP matches in his entire career. 2 of those losses come from Stork. 2 out of 5 means; 40% of the time BeSt lost a PvP, it was when he was up against Stork. Stork is the only Protoss player to ever beat BeSt, Twice. Stork and BeSt currently have a record of 2:2 with BeSt winning their last encounter.
So what makes you think BeSt is DEFINITELY going to beat Stork?
On October 01 2008 08:35 dinmsab wrote: I'll put it in a more easy to digest way for BeSt fans:
Best has lost only 5 televised PvP matches in his entire career. 2 of those losses come from Stork. 2 out of 5 means; 40% of the time BeSt lost a PvP, it was when he was up against Stork. Stork is the only Protoss player to ever beat BeSt, Twice. Stork and BeSt currently have a record of 2:2 with BeSt winning their last encounter.
So what makes you think BeSt is DEFINITELY going to beat Stork?
three of those games were in february. if you don't understand the difference between best's PvP now and best's PvP then, you're fuckin' stupid
Best is a clear favourite over Stork in PvP. The other side of that is that no one should believe that Best is the better PvT player, because he sure as fuck is not. Stork's got that label wrapped up right now.
On October 01 2008 08:35 dinmsab wrote: I'll put it in a more easy to digest way for BeSt fans:
Best has lost only 5 televised PvP matches in his entire career. 2 of those losses come from Stork. 2 out of 5 means; 40% of the time BeSt lost a PvP, it was when he was up against Stork. Stork is the only Protoss player to ever beat BeSt, Twice. Stork and BeSt currently have a record of 2:2 with BeSt winning their last encounter.
So what makes you think BeSt is DEFINITELY going to beat Stork?
three of those games were in february. if you don't understand the difference between best's PvP now and best's PvP then, you're fuckin' stupid
Best is a clear favourite over Stork in PvT. The other side of that is that no one should believe that Best is the better PvT player, because he sure as fuck is not. Stork's got that label wrapped up right now.
On October 01 2008 10:43 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: three of those games were in february. if you don't understand the difference between best's PvP now and best's PvP then, you're fuckin' stupid
Best is a clear favourite over Stork in PvT. The other side of that is that no one should believe that Best is the better PvT player, because he sure as fuck is not. Stork's got that label wrapped up right now.
Looking forward to seeing Stork above Best in this month's Power Rank.
He means stork you guys. And no, Midas has not made it to more OSL finals than stork. But he's an as deserving player. Some of Stork's OSL and MSL roads have been easy, never crossing a player of the same caliber or dominance as Savior in his prime. Not to say Stork isn't good; his pay is strong and he's demonstrated time and time again that he can hang with the best. Midas one of the few who could hold a candle to Savior in his prime.
This post made me realize that I don't know Midas' OSL/MSL history very well. Hmm.
Cus you kinda have to get to the all important final moment before you can actually justify choking up. Of the few times Stork choked at the end of the big winding road, Midas chokes at the turn of every sharp corner.
It's hard justifying with more than ambiguous statements that Midas has historically been a better player than Stork. Midas has made it to like 4 real leagues (I just checked) and gotten bronze in one of them but otherwise has been knocked out relatively early. Based on accomplishments, it is clear that Stork has played better than Midas in the past 2-3 years.
An interesting bit of trivia - Savior lost 5 times in the Shinhan 3 OSL, 1 to Nada, 2 to Iris, and 2 to Midas. One could argue that Iris was the closest to knocking Savior out of that OSL in that epic game 5 in that last push, but in reality, it was Midas in game 3 on Reverse Temple. He was 1 comsat away. Alas, it was from moments like those that Midas gained the reputation as a choker.
But those starleagues were yesterday. This starleague is today.
An interesting bit of trivia - Savior lost 5 times in the Shinhan 3 OSL, 1 to Nada, 2 to Iris, and 2 to Midas. One could argue that Iris was the closest to knocking Savior out of that OSL in that epic game 5 in that last push, but in reality, it was Midas in game 3 on Reverse Temple. He was 1 comsat away. Alas, it was from moments like those that Midas gained the reputation as a choker.
But those starleagues were yesterday. This starleague is today.
On October 01 2008 13:26 fanofbest wrote: LOL 1 gold is 100 times better than 4-5 silvers. OSL gold = MSL gold
No, it is not.
A long consistent career would definitely get you more money & fame compared to being a one shot wonder.
I think I would have to agree with that.
Yellow has always had reputation as a good player despite not winning anything major in his career. This is similar to Stork, who has won nothing but 3 starleague silvers, couple of WCG silvers, and a GSI silver.
However, when you compare this to Mind and GGPlay, who have been one trick ponies winning an MSL and OSL respectively, and nothing afterwards, its clear who goes down in history as the better player.
On October 01 2008 16:19 fanofbest wrote: 2 OneOther can u prove it ?
OSL has a larger prize pool, draws the bigger crowd, and is the only league where the Golden Mouse is offered. Objectively, that makes it a bigger and more prestigious event.
Beyond that, the OSL is just that much more awesome.
Guys , guys .... sigh. Stork isn't gonna win any OSL or MSL. In this tournament Bisu will beat teh crap out of him Bisu will prove that he is the master of toss , not Best or Stork . He is doing great job so far except the one with Flash . Idk what he can do against him in final :\
it all depends on midas vs best... if best wins, he will kick out stork and then, fantasy or flash will win the starleague. if best loses, then I also think that stork might win it all...
The OSL is called the StarLeague in Korea. It's older, and it's much more difficult to win.
(I mean, bloody hell, just look at the bracket now, even without Jaedong and a lot of others dropping out it's still damned near impossible to judge who will win it all--all biases aside.)
The OSL has historically been harder to win than the OSL. The MSL's system makes it so that if you play one bad day, you're out of the Ro32 and from then on, you're busy trying to avoid getting single eliminated. The OSL system makes it so that you're going to have to be pretty lucky because you round robin in the group stages (in the Ro16, making things even harder to get through a group). Especially with the OSL's new format, it makes it so it favors old players that have made the last OSL rather than any old fart that comes through the door.
Just look at the Ro16 in the MSL and compare it to the former Ro16 in the OSL. THe Ro16 was so stacked this OSL with only one or two players not deserving to be there.
Another measure of difficultly is the amount of times somebody wins a OSL twice in a row - not very many people have won the OSL twice. A lot of people have won the MSL multiple times in a row.
On October 01 2008 17:42 fanofbest wrote: 2 PH are u kidding ? Golden mouse ? LOL. It's a plastic mouse. MSL prize = 40000 and OSL too. 2 PH it's just ur opinion. i need facts. LOL
How long have you been following StarCraft? I think others sufficiently explained why OSL is more prestigious than MSL. If you can't believe that, then I don't really care. Back in the days, MSL was just a sidekick to OSL. It has caught up a lot, but winning an OSL is definitely still considered "bigger" than winning MSL.
might be "considered" bigger, but on what reasons? Consider who was winning OSL titles and who was winning MSL titles:
back-to-back MSL winners were really dominant players like NaDa, iloveoov, savior, while many of the OSL winners were one-hit-wonders like Casy, ggplay, onetime etc. To me an MSL win shows more than an OSL win. Beside that, i like the MSL format more than the OSL format. For me: MSL > OSL
On October 01 2008 23:18 polarwolf wrote: might be "considered" bigger, but on what reasons? Consider who was winning OSL titles and who was winning MSL titles:
back-to-back MSL winners were really dominant players like NaDa, iloveoov, savior, while many of the OSL winners were one-hit-wonders like Casy, ggplay, onetime etc. To me an MSL win shows more than an OSL win. Beside that, i like the MSL format more than the OSL format. For me: MSL > OSL
for some the earth is a disc, too
but for the majority its not
OSL > MSL not my opinion, but more people see it that way and I agree
On October 01 2008 17:42 fanofbest wrote: 2 PH are u kidding ? Golden mouse ? LOL. It's a plastic mouse. MSL prize = 40000 and OSL too. 2 PH it's just ur opinion. i need facts. LOL
It doesn't matter if the Golden Mouse is just plastic (I honestly have no idea, though it seems others are saying it's actually gold). The point is that it has prestige. The MSL offers no such prize...even if one were to win the MSL three times, it'd be damn impressive, but in the end it's a statistic. As superficial as it is, NaDa and July have an extra fucking trophy (as gay as it looks) on their shelves as a result of their achievement.
And as for the prize money, I for some reason recall the OSL first prize money being 70mil won, not 40...I could be wrong though. It was fucking like 5 or 6am when they awarded it to him. Someone else please clarify? Hopefully with a photo...I can't seem to find one of him holding up the check.
I guess in the end it really is my opinion, however. If you like the MSL more, and consider players who have won that to a higher standard than the OSL, or if you consider them both equal, then that's fine. That's your opinion.
I think otherwise, and those are my reasons, along with most of what everyone else has said. I'll leave it at that.
On October 01 2008 08:35 dinmsab wrote: I'll put it in a more easy to digest way for BeSt fans:
Best has lost only 5 televised PvP matches in his entire career. 2 of those losses come from Stork. 2 out of 5 means; 40% of the time BeSt lost a PvP, it was when he was up against Stork. Stork is the only Protoss player to ever beat BeSt, Twice. Stork and BeSt currently have a record of 2:2 with BeSt winning their last encounter.
So what makes you think BeSt is DEFINITELY going to beat Stork?
three of those games were in february. if you don't understand the difference between best's PvP now and best's PvP then, you're fuckin' stupid
Best is a clear favourite over Stork in PvT. The other side of that is that no one should believe that Best is the better PvT player, because he sure as fuck is not. Stork's got that label wrapped up right now.
Okay, I'm confused.
typo, i meant best is a favourite over stork in pvp
The OSL and MSL prize money is about the same, OSL is traditionally more prestigious because it is harder to win. It is much harder to repeat as an OSL Champ (curse!) than it is as MSL Champ. I treat both tournaments equally.
while winning 1 msl osl is roughly equal. winning multiple OSLs is like impossible.
everyone dogs on stork for getting silver but i still think thats pretty good lol 2 years in a row isnt bad. If he wins everyone will be like OMG HES SO GOODDDD
EPT
Stork vs 
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GGPlay 45-39 (53.57%)
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Bisu will prove that he is the master of toss , not Best or Stork . He is doing great job so far except the one with Flash . Idk what he can do against him in final :\
