EPT2008 US Presidential Election - Page 81
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aRod
United States758 Posts
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
US is not so important how you think it is... european market could go down with US fall but europe will get on its feet much sooner.. euro game  look at cuba or north korea... US put criminal sanctions to them almost 50 yrs ago and they are still going... it is hard life (specially in N. Korea where ppl are hungry coz of the US) but if they can manage without any help then europe can manage without US, i'm sure.. i mean, do you really think germany (country with most export in the world) or UK would colapse if US market goes down? hardly... US destroyed japan and look at them now... or look at china, isolated for so many years and now its biggest economy power.. really, there will be no changes if bush, cheney, rumsfeld and many others walk free after everything.. they have to be example for the future leaders... obama is capable for big things but he has to spend so much time for looking what to do with imaginary threats (like iraq, iran, n. korea or afganistan).. and i must say that he dissapointed me with the bailout plan!!!! | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
On September 30 2008 05:11 purgerinho wrote: heheeh, bush wanted to finish his mandate with the style and he did it! US is on the edge of bankruptcy....... unnecessary wars, war crimes, deaths and in the end bankruptcy > coz whole war thing and whole killing thing didn't work... after 1st debate i must say that i don't like obama anymore... he is same as mccain, only younger and with more colour... americans, you voted for this mess (x2 OMG!) so clean it up by yourselves... if it can be cleaned.. but hey, its just justice  how can people say they're the same i just don't get it | ||
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
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Flaccid
8927 Posts
On September 30 2008 05:41 KOFgokuon wrote: how can people say they're the same i just don't get it He's just spewing bullshit. Either than or a complete idiot. The cool thing is that in both cases we get to systematically ignore anything that he says. So the system works! | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Also: http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/29/news/economy/personal_income_spending/index.htm | ||
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aRod
United States758 Posts
Or you can initiate a situation where the US will spend 560 Billion, lose thousands of troops, 500,000+ Iraqis will die, and lastly, thousands of Afghan's will die. Fuck retaliatory foreign policy. It makes more enemies (The entire Iraqi population now hates us), and it waste Billions. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 30 2008 05:50 aRod wrote: Here's a quick comparison would you rather have some 2,500 Americans die in a terrorist attack and do nothing and allow Iraq to have nonexistent WMDs Or you can initiate a situation where the US will spend 560 Billion, lose thousands of troops, 500,000+ Iraqis will die, and lastly, thousands of Afghan's will die. Fuck retaliatory foreign policy. It makes more enemies (The entire Iraqi population now hates us), and it waste Billions. You're drastically oversimplifying things again. The US had to act in response, it just should've done so intelligently. Every action we take sends a message, and inaction is probably the worst of them. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On September 30 2008 05:50 aRod wrote: Here's a quick comparison would you rather have some 2,500 Americans die in a terrorist attack and do nothing and allow Iraq to have nonexistent WMDs Or you can initiate a situation where the US will spend 560 Billion, lose thousands of troops, 500,000+ Iraqis will die, and lastly, thousands of Afghan's will die. Fuck retaliatory foreign policy. It makes more enemies (The entire Iraqi population now hates us), and it waste Billions. There were terrorist training camps in Afghanistan, and the taliban didn't want to give all the foreigners of Al Qaeda to US ( none of the terrorists are / were Afghan people ). So the taliban regime gave spiritual and technical support to islamic terrorism. I think it is enough to start a war. On the other hand the Iraq war was unjustified. Yea Saddam was a scum, but after the first Gulf War he was only a threat to his own people. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
On September 30 2008 05:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: beautiful that backfired perfectly | ||
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
i'm a journalist and i wrote so many articles about US elections that i can't count them.. all of the time i was very subjective, very pro-Obama... and coz of that i was so pissed after he said YES for bailout plan and yes to more troops in afganistan... his words: my father perception of US was ''country that gives you a chance if you make hard to get it. We have lost our values and i'll help you to return it!'' - can someone explain me how the bailout plan could help to regain values or to help ''little'' ppl? | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On September 30 2008 06:05 purgerinho wrote: flaccid - obama that i knew would never support bailout plan, never! obama i knew would never speak about georgia in NATO just to make russia angry... obama i knew would never talk that iran is threat.. obama i knew wanted to help little ppl, to help with health care, education.. bailout plan and helping to little ppl can't go to the same sentence.. he wants to send more troops to afganistan, he would attack pakistan... and so on and so on... it is easy to insult ppl but it is hard to stand behind your state so you should ignore me.. i'm a journalist and i wrote so many articles about US elections that i can't count them.. all of the time i was very subjective, very pro-Obama... and coz of that i was so pissed after he said YES for bailout plan and yes to more troops in afganistan... his words: my father perception of US was ''country that gives you a chance if you make hard to get it. We have lost our values and i'll help you to return it!'' - can someone explain me how the bailout plan could help to regain values or to help ''little'' ppl? If you're a journalist, you're not a very good one. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 30 2008 06:05 purgerinho wrote: The simplest way to explain it is that we need a healthy banking system to provide loans for entrepreneurs and new businesses. A lot of people's retirement funds are also tied up in the stock market and the various Wall St. companies.his words: my father perception of US was ''country that gives you a chance if you make hard to get it. We have lost our values and i'll help you to return it!'' - can someone explain me how the bailout plan could help to regain values or to help ''little'' ppl? Look at what happened after the Soviet Union collapsed. People in Ukraine, etc. lost their entire life savings. | ||
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
i mean, they lost bilions of dollars and they didn't help anyone.. how do you think that they could help next time, with more money from pockets of US citizens? about SSSR - estonia, latvia, lithuania, even ukraine... are economy powers right now... only 18 yrs after colapse of SSSR... they lost imaginary money, now they have real money... specially estonia, country with biggest growth in europe last few years... mindcrime - he said that actions should be made if someone attacks US army (aiming on pakistan)... but there is a little problem, US army is on foreign territory, doing illegal actions.. imagine pakistan army doing whatever they want on US ground... hahah, US would destroy them without warning.. maybe you should watch the debate again but to be clear... if i were american i would vote for obama... just coz republicans are too evil... biggest threat to US are republicans, not some terrorist they are scaring ppl with.. | ||
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TheSchwA
United States248 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On September 30 2008 06:27 purgerinho wrote: mindcrime - he said that actions should be made if someone attacks US army (aiming on pakistan)... but there is a little problem, US army is on foreign territory, doing illegal actions.. imagine pakistan army doing whatever they want on US ground... hahah, US would destroy them without warning.. maybe you should watch the debate again There is a great difference between attacking Pakistan and, on extremely good intelligence, striking high-value threats in Pakistan that Pakistan refuses to. Maybe you should read the text of the address he gave on the subject over a year ago, and watch the Democratic debates where this was covered. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On September 30 2008 06:39 TheSchwA wrote: America's economy is fucked. I've lost all faith in humanity. Because economy = humanity ? :p Relax dude. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
So just let the banks fail, no big deal, a credic crisis cant hurt the average joe pocket right ? because everyone in the us buys with live cash. So just ignore all the things the american average joe wants to hear about that makes theother candidate strong so your big change will never happen. And ultimately, make mideastern countrys feel like they can be terrorist harbors for Al Qaeda, who the fucking cares about this anyway | ||
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Flaccid
8927 Posts
On September 30 2008 06:45 D10 wrote: rofl, where did this guy come from ? So just let the banks fail, no big deal, a credic crisis cant hurt the average joe pocket right ? because everyone in the us buys with live cash. So just ignore all the things the american average joe wants to hear about that makes theother candidate strong so your big change will never happen. And ultimately, make mideastern countrys feel like they can be terrorist harbors for Al Qaeda, who the fucking cares about this anyway This can be solved through some "just friends" spooning. | ||
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