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prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
May 05 2008 03:41 GMT
#221
The thread on PCGamer seems to have been deleted. We won?
Oh no
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
May 05 2008 03:47 GMT
#222
You guys are pretty ruthless, and 11 pages??

I don't think the min/maxers (that's us!) take the strategy out of RTS, we take the real-time part out. In any matchup, the number of strategies you can realistically use are so limited that decent players know them all and have counters prearranged. Strategy is created beforehand; the game is your time to execute that strategy. This isn't chess - there aren't so many possible move combinations that it's impossible to account for them all. It's a complete fallacy to think that a slower game speed is going to give you enough time to have a strategic epiphany in the middle of the game that leads to your victory. While that would indeed be very exciting, it's just not realistic among players with any experience with the game. Among newbies? They can play against each other on slower game settings if they need time to ponder their moves.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
Hippopotamus
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1914 Posts
May 05 2008 03:49 GMT
#223
How unsurprising from PC gamer. Well, I'm sure this has been said before but: what does one expect, eh? What kind of hardcore gamer would actually subscribe to a gaming magazine IRL when there're are myriad infinitely better resources on the internet? I read a few PC Gamers, CGW, and other magazines in a local libraries. They're run by a bunch of noobs.
MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
May 05 2008 04:02 GMT
#224
i guess we won the internets again
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Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
May 05 2008 04:06 GMT
#225
It was all you Tasteless.

Nah, I think a Mod took it down because they had to do damage control and not in the form of us. Apparently some deadbeat started spamming porn in their forums last time I checked, which was something like ten hours ago. I heard this happened to them before and it took just as long for a mod to take care of it. Sigh, you would think they had their shit together. Guess not.
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Morzas
Profile Joined August 2005
United States387 Posts
May 05 2008 04:16 GMT
#226
Yeah, I read in their announcements board before the big board takedown that they're going to completely wipe their forums and switch to a new software because of that porn spamming.
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comabreaded
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
United States2166 Posts
May 05 2008 08:19 GMT
#227
I feel bad that I actually used to subscribe to PC Gamer Last Romantic rapes a newb and he uses his magazine as his cry blog. boo hoo.
I put the fu in fun
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5522 Posts
May 05 2008 08:25 GMT
#228
Do people actually use excel to work out strategies in starcraft?
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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
May 05 2008 09:18 GMT
#229
On May 05 2008 17:25 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Do people actually use excel to work out strategies in starcraft?

i've never actually heard of it being done
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ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
May 05 2008 09:43 GMT
#230
I do, however, have Excel spreadsheets for Sins of a Solar Empire, a game the author seems to actually like.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5700 Posts
May 05 2008 10:06 GMT
#231
On May 05 2008 12:41 prOxi.swAMi wrote:
The thread on PCGamer seems to have been deleted. We won?


They've moved the forums to GamesRadar.com. They said they are going to do that soon. ;;
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7292 Posts
May 05 2008 11:00 GMT
#232
lol the article is dumb, how the hell would game speed help against " min maxers", not to mention if you are faster than your opponent thats always going to be an advantage (obviously if they control better than you and are way better than you as well, your advantage means 0)
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Lhyviathan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Australia975 Posts
May 05 2008 11:18 GMT
#233
Oh, man.

How the fuck did this guy get a job reporting on RTS?

Sack him, or relocate him to turn-based strategy, please.
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
May 05 2008 12:39 GMT
#234
On May 05 2008 17:25 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Do people actually use excel to work out strategies in starcraft?

I doubt excel would be useful

But I think some players, like nal_ra or boxer has spent a lot of time developing their strategies. They probably first come up with an idea, like the FD build to punish protosses who get greedy in early game. Then they probably mass game with team members testing different builds, unit combinations and timings to make it as good as possible.
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SlickR12345
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Macedonia408 Posts
May 05 2008 13:29 GMT
#235
Well if i play a game for the first time and set on high speed ofcourse it would feel fast. Play it several times and it becomes pretty normal but anyways. I think the reason PRO gamers feel there is nothing to do between mining minerals and building units is because of all the automation.
You have MBS now, auto-mine, large production que and so forth and with their 300apm they run out of things to do. So game-speed is not the factor here, i mean the game can be played at slowest and still you have your hands full with things to do....

Thats why i've been against so many automations... Yeah a newcomer or a guy who started playing RTS yesterday may not like to have his hands full and would like to play slower and easier but in the end what makes the game interesting in the long run is having to do a lot.
If the game does all the things for you it may be ultra interesting for a week, month or mauby even a year but after that no one plays it, except dozens of hardcore guys hooked on slow pace.

But in the end even starcraft can be a long game, i'm talking about casual and pro games alike. We've seen and played battle.net and multiplayer games lasting for over an hour as well as pro games lasting almost an hour!

So what i'm trying to say is that there needs to be a balance between the automation, things you can do and game speed. It would be stoopid when the game ships to have people seting different speed settings and not being abble to join a game coz there isn't a game with your prefered speed.
Xeofreestyler
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Belgium6774 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-05 15:27:34
May 05 2008 15:26 GMT
#236
I feel like making an online petition that this guy should be BANNED from ever writing about RTS again.
Who's with me?!




Oh and torches and hayforks are, ofcourse, allowed.
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Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
May 05 2008 15:30 GMT
#237
The Uwe Boll intiative? Me likey.
Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
May 05 2008 15:40 GMT
#238
On May 06 2008 00:26 Xeofreestyler wrote:
I feel like making an online petition that this guy should be BANNED from ever writing about RTS again.
Who's with me?!




Oh and torches and hayforks are, ofcourse, allowed.

But that's only one retard game magazine writer. There's probably dozens more out there exactly like him...
TheOvermind77
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States923 Posts
May 05 2008 15:56 GMT
#239
This type of superiority mindset only scares away new players from the game.
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InterWill
Profile Joined September 2007
Sweden117 Posts
May 05 2008 16:03 GMT
#240
Why this immature reaction to the article?

Why would voicing ones opinion on RTS-games disqualify said person from writing for publication, covering RTS-games or otherwise?

You are acting like frightened children. If someone brings up an opinion which you do not agree with they are met with a torrent of responses like:

"You are not qualified to..."
"You are ignorant..."
"You should be BANNED from ever writing..."
"You do not understand..."
"It's on wikipedia..."
"We've discussed this already..."

Just because there's a strong community of players playing a certain game a certain way, it doesn't necessarily follow that other ways of enjoying said game are wrong.
Just because someone has a different opinion of a game, it doesn't necessarily follow that they're "ignorant".
This person could, even if bestowed with your eternal wisdom regarding StarCraft, come to a different conclusion and form a different opinion than you.
Your opinion isn't divine.

Accept the fact that people can have different opinions, try not to alienate them. Discuss it in a civilized manner. At the end of the day, people living outside of the box might offer interesting perspectives and innovative ideas - which might make StarCraft II better.
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