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On April 17 2021 06:53 LfunkGG wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2021 02:51 Jealous wrote:On April 17 2021 02:21 LfunkGG wrote:
imagine:
here we release Mondragon's replay pack at the birthday of nazi party, btw did you know germans are number 1 car producers in the world. long live germans.
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Horrible comparison because the day being celebrated is about defeating Nazi Germany and has nothing to do with occupation, Gulag, Stalin, or whatever else you choose to associate with this holiday. I will repeat, it is your choice to associate those things with this holiday, it is your choice to find it offensive. Hitler's birthday is clearly different but if you can't understand that then it's a waste of time trying to explain this to you. "Victory Day[a 1] is a holiday that commemorates the surrender of Nazi Germany in 1945." - Wikipedia That's it. so called "victory" day is the day soviet union started a killing spree in a lot of places. countries like baltics, ukraine were left alone defenseless against russian terror. worst thing is OP says "this is unproved" about soviet war crimes and his attitude is making fun of those who suffered. we're here for starcraft, why do you have to push your arrogant politic crap into this and act disrespectful against soviet victims? ps: i like dewalt and I follow his stream. also I like and followed rus brains events.
edit: nvm i dont wanna get political.
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On April 17 2021 06:22 orth0dox wrote:
As Ukrainian I want to give my 5 cents to this discussion: As someone whose country was directly related to WW2 events (as you may know most of the battles against Nazi invaders took place in Ukraine), reading OP kinda left a bad taste. While there is nothing wrong with celebrating victory per se, decorations that Rus_Brain chose are obviously glorifying USSR, which seem out of place, and more importantly may trigger people that suffered their share from USSR regime. Death toll caused by the Soviet Union ruling elite crimes and genocide is comparable or even surpasses casualties during WW2 (at least for Ukraine). So I wasn't very happy to encounter "деды воевали" aesthetics on TL and think that OP would do better without it. That said I'm grateful for everything that Rus_Brain does for the community and this upcoming replay pack in particular.
i kind of agree with you...
and people in this thread, both russian and non-russian are constantly confusing "soviet crimes" with "russian"... different times, different people... when people would understand that.
The porblem with modern russia is that they are raised surrounded with this kind of bullshit patriotism, and most of the times they don't even notice it, so much it is intertwined with their way of thinking (but that can also be said about other countries as well). So Rus_Brain could have said "Nazis were defeated" or "first human in space", but he said "USSR and allies defeated nazis" and "first Soviet"... He thinks it's important. Most of the russians do. As much as americans think that it is important that it was americans first on the moon.
So personally, i would like for Rus_Brain to think about it... it is actually annoying to many people.
And secondly, would we start respecting him less if he keeps this kind of subliminal propaganda part of his posts (simply by not noticing it)? 
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On April 17 2021 05:31 WGT-Baal wrote:On topic: thanks in advance for the replays! Will they be organised by matchups? May be opponents? (though i realise this is a ton of work). Of course! All sorted in a most professional way. My guarantee you will like that 👍🏻+ Show Spoiler +Statistics few posts below.
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On April 17 2021 06:53 LfunkGG wrote:
worst thing is OP says "this is unproved" about soviet war crimes and his attitude is making fun of those who suffered. we're here for starcraft, why do you have to push your arrogant politic crap into this and act disrespectful against soviet victims?
ps: i like dewalt and I follow his stream. also I like and followed rus brains events. Worst thing is your cognitive dissonance between strong desire to download the replays and what Baal offered - boycott reps in protest.
There is a third way, however, both download the reps, and start shitload debate. This way, cognitive dissonance resolved, both conflicting desires are fulfilled. Well, okay. TL is a free speech place, go ahead. For me personally you are a guy with no balls to admit your position as man of steel and follow that way. Instead, a way of delusions desperately trying to sit both chairs.
If your position is strait and steel - it looks shiny from a side, whatever it is, and it's always respected. A shit to the contrary always stinks.
On April 17 2021 08:01 lamarine wrote:
So Rus_Brain could have said "Nazis were defeated" or "first human in space", but he said "USSR and allies defeated nazis" and "first Soviet"... Indeed. Sorting based on a death toll for the Victory. It's not about "деды воевали" or patriotism, it's about fifty million in a total WWII death toll. Math never lies and is never offended.
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On April 17 2021 15:28 Rus_Brain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2021 06:53 LfunkGG wrote:
worst thing is OP says "this is unproved" about soviet war crimes and his attitude is making fun of those who suffered. we're here for starcraft, why do you have to push your arrogant politic crap into this and act disrespectful against soviet victims?
ps: i like dewalt and I follow his stream. also I like and followed rus brains events. Worst thing is your cognitive dissonance between strong desire to download the replays and what Baal offered - boycott reps in protest. There is a third way, however, both download the reps, and start shitload debate. This way, cognitive dissonance resolved, both conflicting desires are fulfilled. Well, okay. TL is a free speech place, go ahead. For me personally you are a guy with no balls to admit your position as man of steel and follow that way. Instead, a way of delusions desperately trying to sit both chairs. If your position is strait and steel - it looks shiny from a side, whatever it is, and it's always respected. A shit to the contrary always stinks. Show nested quote +On April 17 2021 08:01 lamarine wrote:
So Rus_Brain could have said "Nazis were defeated" or "first human in space", but he said "USSR and allies defeated nazis" and "first Soviet"... Indeed. Sorting based on a death toll for the Victory. It's not about "деды воевали" or patriotism, it's about fifty million in a total WWII death toll. Math never lies and is never offended.
sorry I don't really understand your English very well.
I'm very clear about my position, Soviets are same as Nazis if not worse, they both wanted to conquer world for their sick ideology. example: If two serial killers break in my house at night and somehow start fighting each other, I don't care which one wins. I wouldn't shake the hand of winner who still wants to kill me.
My position about Russia is that they haven't paid for their war crimes and they must pay for what they have done. there has not been something like Nurenberg trials in germany. killers walk away free. even today they are denying the blood in their hands like you are doing right now. even celebrating it.
about replays, it became irrelevent after this point now but however I respect dewalt, I like his gamestyle but you make it hard to like him or any other russian player with this arrogant attitude.
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On April 17 2021 16:54 LfunkGG wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2021 15:28 Rus_Brain wrote:On April 17 2021 06:53 LfunkGG wrote:
worst thing is OP says "this is unproved" about soviet war crimes and his attitude is making fun of those who suffered. we're here for starcraft, why do you have to push your arrogant politic crap into this and act disrespectful against soviet victims?
ps: i like dewalt and I follow his stream. also I like and followed rus brains events. Worst thing is your cognitive dissonance between strong desire to download the replays and what Baal offered - boycott reps in protest. There is a third way, however, both download the reps, and start shitload debate. This way, cognitive dissonance resolved, both conflicting desires are fulfilled. Well, okay. TL is a free speech place, go ahead. For me personally you are a guy with no balls to admit your position as man of steel and follow that way. Instead, a way of delusions desperately trying to sit both chairs. If your position is strait and steel - it looks shiny from a side, whatever it is, and it's always respected. A shit to the contrary always stinks. On April 17 2021 08:01 lamarine wrote:
So Rus_Brain could have said "Nazis were defeated" or "first human in space", but he said "USSR and allies defeated nazis" and "first Soviet"... Indeed. Sorting based on a death toll for the Victory. It's not about "деды воевали" or patriotism, it's about fifty million in a total WWII death toll. Math never lies and is never offended. sorry I don't really understand your English very well. I'm very clear about my position, Soviets are same as Nazis if not worse, they both wanted to conquer world for their sick ideology. example: If two serial killers break in my house at night and somehow start fighting each other, I don't care which one wins. I wouldn't shake the hand of winner who still wants to kill me. My position about Russia is that they haven't paid for their war crimes and they must pay for what they have done. there has not been something like Nurenberg trials in germany. killers walk away free. even today they are denying the blood in their hands like you are doing right now. even celebrating it. about replays, it became irrelevent after this point now but however I respect dewalt, I like his gamestyle but you make it hard to like him or any other russian player with this arrogant attitude.
Dewalt doesnt have word in this. Others Russian also are not part in this. Dont be afraid to tell Rus Brain is a crazy fcker that if he could organize fight till death starcraft games he will. But is not fair to put everyone into this.
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On April 17 2021 15:28 Rus_Brain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2021 06:53 LfunkGG wrote:
worst thing is OP says "this is unproved" about soviet war crimes and his attitude is making fun of those who suffered. we're here for starcraft, why do you have to push your arrogant politic crap into this and act disrespectful against soviet victims?
ps: i like dewalt and I follow his stream. also I like and followed rus brains events. Worst thing is your cognitive dissonance between strong desire to download the replays and what Baal offered - boycott reps in protest. There is a third way, however, both download the reps, and start shitload debate. This way, cognitive dissonance resolved, both conflicting desires are fulfilled. Well, okay. TL is a free speech place, go ahead. For me personally you are a guy with no balls to admit your position as man of steel and follow that way. Instead, a way of delusions desperately trying to sit both chairs. If your position is strait and steel - it looks shiny from a side, whatever it is, and it's always respected. A shit to the contrary always stinks. Show nested quote +On April 17 2021 08:01 lamarine wrote:
So Rus_Brain could have said "Nazis were defeated" or "first human in space", but he said "USSR and allies defeated nazis" and "first Soviet"... Indeed. Sorting based on a death toll for the Victory. It's not about "деды воевали" or patriotism, it's about fifty million in a total WWII death toll. Math never lies and is never offended.
that is not math, that is history books, and history books do lie, especially which were printed in USSR and then reprinted in Russia. Maybe try reading some history books from other countries... gives you a perspective.
PS: 50? really? There were not that many people in USSR back then
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On April 17 2021 16:54 LfunkGG wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2021 15:28 Rus_Brain wrote:On April 17 2021 06:53 LfunkGG wrote:
worst thing is OP says "this is unproved" about soviet war crimes and his attitude is making fun of those who suffered. we're here for starcraft, why do you have to push your arrogant politic crap into this and act disrespectful against soviet victims?
ps: i like dewalt and I follow his stream. also I like and followed rus brains events. Worst thing is your cognitive dissonance between strong desire to download the replays and what Baal offered - boycott reps in protest. There is a third way, however, both download the reps, and start shitload debate. This way, cognitive dissonance resolved, both conflicting desires are fulfilled. Well, okay. TL is a free speech place, go ahead. For me personally you are a guy with no balls to admit your position as man of steel and follow that way. Instead, a way of delusions desperately trying to sit both chairs. If your position is strait and steel - it looks shiny from a side, whatever it is, and it's always respected. A shit to the contrary always stinks. On April 17 2021 08:01 lamarine wrote:
So Rus_Brain could have said "Nazis were defeated" or "first human in space", but he said "USSR and allies defeated nazis" and "first Soviet"... Indeed. Sorting based on a death toll for the Victory. It's not about "деды воевали" or patriotism, it's about fifty million in a total WWII death toll. Math never lies and is never offended. sorry I don't really understand your English very well. I'm very clear about my position, Soviets are same as Nazis if not worse, they both wanted to conquer world for their sick ideology. example: If two serial killers break in my house at night and somehow start fighting each other, I don't care which one wins. I wouldn't shake the hand of winner who still wants to kill me. My position about Russia is that they haven't paid for their war crimes and they must pay for what they have done. there has not been something like Nurenberg trials in germany. killers walk away free. even today they are denying the blood in their hands like you are doing right now. even celebrating it. about replays, it became irrelevent after this point now but however I respect dewalt, I like his gamestyle but you make it hard to like him or any other russian player with this arrogant attitude.
dude, i think you need to find peace here... this was not Russia, that was Soviets. Most of the people from that time are dead. And we are not responsible for the sins of our fathers.
Too bad some people still can't accept those sins, propaganda machine is working. But yeah, not all the russians are that way, even most of them are. But times are changing...
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Dewalt doesnt have word in this. Others Russian also are not part in this. Dont be afraid to tell Rus Brain is a crazy fcker that if he could organize fight till death starcraft games he will. But is not fair to put everyone into this.
yes, I'd like to keep Dewalt out of this, maybe he didn't know it was going to be in soviet propaganda post when he gave his replays.
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On April 17 2021 17:49 lamarine wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2021 16:54 LfunkGG wrote:On April 17 2021 15:28 Rus_Brain wrote:On April 17 2021 06:53 LfunkGG wrote:
worst thing is OP says "this is unproved" about soviet war crimes and his attitude is making fun of those who suffered. we're here for starcraft, why do you have to push your arrogant politic crap into this and act disrespectful against soviet victims?
ps: i like dewalt and I follow his stream. also I like and followed rus brains events. Worst thing is your cognitive dissonance between strong desire to download the replays and what Baal offered - boycott reps in protest. There is a third way, however, both download the reps, and start shitload debate. This way, cognitive dissonance resolved, both conflicting desires are fulfilled. Well, okay. TL is a free speech place, go ahead. For me personally you are a guy with no balls to admit your position as man of steel and follow that way. Instead, a way of delusions desperately trying to sit both chairs. If your position is strait and steel - it looks shiny from a side, whatever it is, and it's always respected. A shit to the contrary always stinks. On April 17 2021 08:01 lamarine wrote:
So Rus_Brain could have said "Nazis were defeated" or "first human in space", but he said "USSR and allies defeated nazis" and "first Soviet"... Indeed. Sorting based on a death toll for the Victory. It's not about "деды воевали" or patriotism, it's about fifty million in a total WWII death toll. Math never lies and is never offended. sorry I don't really understand your English very well. I'm very clear about my position, Soviets are same as Nazis if not worse, they both wanted to conquer world for their sick ideology. example: If two serial killers break in my house at night and somehow start fighting each other, I don't care which one wins. I wouldn't shake the hand of winner who still wants to kill me. My position about Russia is that they haven't paid for their war crimes and they must pay for what they have done. there has not been something like Nurenberg trials in germany. killers walk away free. even today they are denying the blood in their hands like you are doing right now. even celebrating it. about replays, it became irrelevent after this point now but however I respect dewalt, I like his gamestyle but you make it hard to like him or any other russian player with this arrogant attitude. dude, i think you need to find peace here... this was not Russia, that was Soviets. Most of the people from that time are dead. And we are not responsible for the sins of our fathers. Too bad some people still can't accept those sins, propaganda machine is working. But yeah, not all the russians are that way, even most of them are. But times are changing...
I agree on a personal level, but as national level it doesn't work like that. also remember soviet times weren't that far away, it was 30 years ago and a lot of soviet war criminals continued their lives without any consequences after collapse of soviet union. like in Estonia, Baltics, probably Russia
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That's great, can't wait to see replays. Thanks man < 3
Very impressive scores by Dewalt vs top koreans!
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On April 17 2021 17:41 lamarine wrote:
PS: 50? really? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
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Where dat snitch at?37124 Posts
Yeah, okay... Let’s close this thread. It’s turned into a complete shit-storm...
@Rus_Brain Please open up a normal thread next time.
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