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If this thread turns into a USPMT 2.0, we will not hesitate to shut it down. Do not even bother posting if all you're going to do is shit on the Democratic candidates while adding nothing of value.

Rules:
- Don't post meaningless one-liners.
- Don't turn this into a X doesn't stand a chance against Trump debate.
- Sources MUST have a supporting comment that summarizes the source beforehand.
- Do NOT turn this thread into a Republicans vs. Democrats shit-storm.

This thread will be heavily moderated. Expect the same kind of strictness as the USPMT.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 04 2020 15:09 GMT
#1181
--- Nuked ---
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-04 15:12:37
March 04 2020 15:11 GMT
#1182
On March 04 2020 22:56 NewSunshine wrote:
It's pretty appalling. We've practically built an industry around obfuscating our own elections and turning it into an incomprehensible black box. Then the superdelegates/electoral college/whatever swoop in, pick whatever, and pretend they interpreted the whole mess. Nobody knows wtf is going on.

I would rather be disappointed that Biden takes it in the end and get on with my life. But I can't, because there's no structure keeping track of this stuff, so we maybe don't really know yet.


Political party seems unable (I mean they are able, just unwilling) to have actual, understable election.

It's not just the US to, the last canadian conservative party leadership race had a 13 round preferential system ballot where when your first choice lost, your vote when to the next person on the ballot, but they only had a portion of the point of a full vote and on top of this there was a weird thing where vote where given different number of point depending on the county they were in and you could have a decimal number of points allocated to your vote. In the end everyone had absolutly no way of actually knowing how many people voted for a candidate. I'm not sure they even told how many person had actually voted.

And for some reason they needed to present every round one by one, and one guy led for 12 round then lost on the last one by 1%.

But what I can't understand to save my life is how every news outlett out there seems to have differents results/ % of vote counted.
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12387 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-04 15:23:18
March 04 2020 15:22 GMT
#1183
Regarding Star Wars analogies, yes that is the liberal idea of how societies turn authoritarian, a few individuals making bad decisions. It's incredibly silly, of course, and this is where the prequels do something good for once, as they come in and show us a much more realistic vision of societies turning authoritarian, with space fascism emerging from space liberalism and space liberal politicians being helpless against bad faith rightwingers and reacting with apathy to their seizure of power (bonus points for including the Jedi, who we were told are great, in the group of hierarchical institutions that absolutely suck at stopping Palpatine).
No will to live, no wish to die
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9275 Posts
March 04 2020 15:43 GMT
#1184
Those attempts to present the left as Jedis and the right as Siths remind me of the quote someone brought up in the main thread few months ago. It was something like "the left sees the right as evil and the right sees the left as stupid" (or naive, I don't remember). Kids on reddit who make these comparisons unironically are becoming the very thing they swore to destroy, as only a Sith deals in absolutes.
You're now breathing manually
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
March 04 2020 15:43 GMT
#1185
Bloomberg suspends his campaign and endorses Biden.
(Source everywhere on the website of your choice)
NoiR
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-04 15:48:29
March 04 2020 15:45 GMT
#1186
This is the best timeline. Bloomberg spent $500 million on ads. He hired 2400 staffers focused on Super Tuesday states. This was a classic Starcraft all-in.

Done by a gold league player.

He won 18 delegates with that. His biggest performance was in American Samoa, and he didn’t even pick up all 6, only 5 out of 6 of their delegates.

But he can take consolation that he made geographical wins in Aspen, Colorado and Napa County, CA. He has now dropped out of the race!
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26242 Posts
March 04 2020 15:47 GMT
#1187
On March 05 2020 00:43 Sent. wrote:
Those attempts to present the left as Jedis and the right as Siths remind me of the quote someone brought up in the main thread few months ago. It was something like "the left sees the right as evil and the right sees the left as stupid" (or naive, I don't remember). Kids on reddit who make these comparisons unironically are becoming the very thing they swore to destroy, as only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Isn’t that phrase inherently contradictory when Obi-Wan says it?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
March 04 2020 15:48 GMT
#1188
Well i felt that Bloomberg mostly held Biden back, the exit polling demographics saw a lot of overlap with those who actually voted for Bloomberg being the same demographics as those who voted for Biden. If Warren would drop out we can finally get down to just a Biden or Sanders choice and people will stop the conspiracy crap.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
March 04 2020 15:50 GMT
#1189
On March 05 2020 00:48 semantics wrote:
Well i felt that Bloomberg mostly held Biden back, the exit polling demographics saw a lot of overlap with those who actually voted for Bloomberg being the same demographics as those who voted for Biden. If Warren would drop out we can finally get down to just a Biden or Sanders choice and people will stop the conspiracy crap.

"Conspiracy crap" and yet her super pac is supporting her through next week and then stopping.

1. Warren tried calling Bernie sexist

2. Warren runs out of money

3. Warren gets super pacs and attacks Bernie

4. Warren super pac will support Warren until next week, then stop
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
March 04 2020 15:52 GMT
#1190
On March 05 2020 00:47 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2020 00:43 Sent. wrote:
Those attempts to present the left as Jedis and the right as Siths remind me of the quote someone brought up in the main thread few months ago. It was something like "the left sees the right as evil and the right sees the left as stupid" (or naive, I don't remember). Kids on reddit who make these comparisons unironically are becoming the very thing they swore to destroy, as only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Isn’t that phrase inherently contradictory when Obi-Wan says it?


It depend on your point of view apparently
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
March 04 2020 15:53 GMT
#1191
This could be bad. Warren probably should've dropped to endorse Bernie sooner, but if there's any chance of enacting her goal of taking power away from billionaires, she needs to get behind Bernie now. Otherwise we get Biden, and nothing much changes. They call Joe a socialist commie, over 4-8 years in which nothing much changes, and we're back here, only even closer to ecological disaster and another manufactured market crash benefiting billionaires. Among other American classics.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
March 04 2020 15:57 GMT
#1192
Apparently Warren team currently "assess the path forward"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/03/super-tuesday-live-updates/#link-G734JOJXKFHO7LPYNF6L46PZ3E
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12387 Posts
March 04 2020 16:01 GMT
#1193
On March 05 2020 00:43 Sent. wrote:
Those attempts to present the left as Jedis and the right as Siths remind me of the quote someone brought up in the main thread few months ago. It was something like "the left sees the right as evil and the right sees the left as stupid" (or naive, I don't remember). Kids on reddit who make these comparisons unironically are becoming the very thing they swore to destroy, as only a Sith deals in absolutes.


All politics include morality and assigning good and evil. This specific bit is obviously projection, as liberalism and leftism have an approach that includes rationality while anything rightward of liberalism couldn't care less about being rational, but even the rational ideologies include moral axioms; for example you cannot demonstrate rationally that it's better to be rational than irrational, it's just something that is part of our moral framework.
No will to live, no wish to die
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23635 Posts
March 04 2020 16:02 GMT
#1194
Bloomberg endorsed Biden after dropping out. Bright side is that now Warren's endorsement can be choreographed better for maximum impact, but still risks Obama coming in and shutting down progressives altogether.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22085 Posts
March 04 2020 16:02 GMT
#1195
On March 05 2020 00:53 NewSunshine wrote:
This could be bad. Warren probably should've dropped to endorse Bernie sooner, but if there's any chance of enacting her goal of taking power away from billionaires, she needs to get behind Bernie now. Otherwise we get Biden, and nothing much changes. They call Joe a socialist commie, over 4-8 years in which nothing much changes, and we're back here, only even closer to ecological disaster and another manufactured market crash benefiting billionaires. Among other American classics.
What do you think the odds are Warren won't endorse Bernie?
I'm guessing she won't.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26242 Posts
March 04 2020 16:02 GMT
#1196
On March 05 2020 00:52 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2020 00:47 Wombat_NI wrote:
On March 05 2020 00:43 Sent. wrote:
Those attempts to present the left as Jedis and the right as Siths remind me of the quote someone brought up in the main thread few months ago. It was something like "the left sees the right as evil and the right sees the left as stupid" (or naive, I don't remember). Kids on reddit who make these comparisons unironically are becoming the very thing they swore to destroy, as only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Isn’t that phrase inherently contradictory when Obi-Wan says it?


It depend on your point of view apparently

But it’s an inherently absolutist statement! Unless Obi-Wan is secretly a...

Good to know the Warren team are assessing things moving forwards. I mean what actually needs assessed is beyond me, seems patently obvious.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9275 Posts
March 04 2020 16:03 GMT
#1197
To me Bloomberg sounded like the most competent man on the stage who somehow forgot he's not running in a republican primary. Whoever prepared him for the debates did not earn their pay.

On March 05 2020 00:47 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2020 00:43 Sent. wrote:
Those attempts to present the left as Jedis and the right as Siths remind me of the quote someone brought up in the main thread few months ago. It was something like "the left sees the right as evil and the right sees the left as stupid" (or naive, I don't remember). Kids on reddit who make these comparisons unironically are becoming the very thing they swore to destroy, as only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Isn’t that phrase inherently contradictory when Obi-Wan says it?


It is. Ironic.
You're now breathing manually
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1402 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-04 16:04:40
March 04 2020 16:04 GMT
#1198
So its biden vs trump. An echo of the obama era which democrats hold so dear.
Another 4 years of trump,gg no re.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
March 04 2020 16:04 GMT
#1199
On March 05 2020 01:02 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2020 00:53 NewSunshine wrote:
This could be bad. Warren probably should've dropped to endorse Bernie sooner, but if there's any chance of enacting her goal of taking power away from billionaires, she needs to get behind Bernie now. Otherwise we get Biden, and nothing much changes. They call Joe a socialist commie, over 4-8 years in which nothing much changes, and we're back here, only even closer to ecological disaster and another manufactured market crash benefiting billionaires. Among other American classics.
What do you think the odds are Warren won't endorse Bernie?
I'm guessing she won't.

I don't know. I also just realized I assumed Joe would win in my hypothetical. There's still plenty of room to be disappointed.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-04 16:09:39
March 04 2020 16:06 GMT
#1200
On March 05 2020 01:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
Bloomberg endorsed Biden after dropping out. Bright side is that now Warren's endorsement can be choreographed better for maximum impact, but still risks Obama coming in and shutting down progressives altogether.


I don't think Obama will come out publicly before the convention, although apparently him and Harry Reid made a few phone call to help Biden to get his flux of endorsement.
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