EPT2020 Democratic Nominees - Page 35
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JimmiC
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Mohdoo
United States15664 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
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Mohdoo
United States15664 Posts
On February 19 2020 02:43 Liquid`Drone wrote: Which isn't weird, considering what they really want is 'not trump' and 'not increased taxes'. Some people living in trailer parks are certain that if corporate taxation was abolished, they'd all be millionaires. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15664 Posts
On February 19 2020 03:29 JimmiC wrote: Is there any demographic info on moderates compared to progressives within the Dem party? I had though that Bernie trended younger and poorer and Bloomberg and so on trended older and richer. My group of friends has a hilarious trend where the 2 far and away dumbest parents among my friends both support Bloomberg adamantly. Bloomberg solves a problem that hasn't existed for many years: Convincing this mystical middle area and moderate republicans that it makes sense to be a democrat instead. There are at most 12 republicans willing to be a democrat in today's political society. Trump has radicalized the right and everything left over is either not voting or voting democrat. Bloomberg's support comes from people who believe some things, but not enough to fight for them and certainly not enough to actually protect the disadvantaged. | ||
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JimmiC
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Mohdoo
United States15664 Posts
All we need is for these awful egos to continue insisting they are the best until super Tuesday. They will all insist the others need to concede. Who decided which centrist quits? Part of me thinks they all agree someone needs to drop by super Tuesday. But will they agree who? | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On February 19 2020 07:34 Mohdoo wrote: Bloomberg won't concede because he has too much to lose. Biden feels owed the nomination like Clinton did. Buttigieg has convinced himself he's Obama. If all egos continue as is, this will be great. All we need is for these awful egos to continue insisting they are the best until super Tuesday. They will all insist the others need to concede. Who decided which centrist quits? Part of me thinks they all agree someone needs to drop by super Tuesday. But will they agree who? steve bannon says bloomberg wants to force “a leveraged buyout” of the democratic convention. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11497 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15664 Posts
On February 19 2020 08:01 IgnE wrote: steve bannon says bloomberg wants to force “a leveraged buyout” of the democratic convention. Sure, and he's probably right, but the Clintons and Bloomberg are both failing to realize how little success they will have. The moment Bernie gets slightly unruly, Bernie supporters will flip a switch and all but burn down the DNC. If Bernie doesn't get the nomination and implies the party worked against him, I am no longer a democrat, plain and simple. I was a Clinton apologist in 2016. I'm not alone. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21650 Posts
On February 19 2020 08:11 Simberto wrote: Yeah, pretty safe to say anything Bannon says with regards to the Democratic nomination is with the intend of undermining Democrats in general and increasing the chance of a Republican victory.Exactly zero people should listen to Steve Bannon under any circumstances. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15664 Posts
On February 19 2020 08:22 Gorsameth wrote: Yeah, pretty safe to say anything Bannon says with regards to the Democratic nomination is with the intend of undermining Democrats in general and increasing the chance of a Republican victory. Bloomberg Clinton is the perfect ticket for Trump to beat. I don't agree everything he says is tainted. He also enjoys game theory. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On February 19 2020 08:11 Simberto wrote: Exactly zero people should listen to Steve Bannon under any circumstances. He helped elect a clown who listened to him so there's that. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Falling
Canada11349 Posts
On February 18 2020 11:44 JimmiC wrote: I think this article talks about still births being a crime. Not aborting a baby that is no longer alive, but any still born by any cause which is not immediately reported. And by the letter of the law that means even one minute. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/28/opinion/stillborn-murder-charge.html I can't read it. But from every case I've seen, they are super edge cases- heavy meth use while pregnant that likely killed the child, initiating fights while 8 months pregnant, resulting in the baby dying, possibility of burning the body of a stillborn that may or may not have been actually been alive (likely the problem in that case was at the police interrogation level- she sounded awfully confused/ rattled by the end). You could argue on the merits of the individual cases (is there, for instance a responsibility to not take actions that would seriously and permanently harm the child, if not end it, and if so, is there any consequence for taking those actions- I suppose that could be argued in a variety of ways), but what there is not is a general move to criminalize stillborns. It isn't true as far as I've read, but it is a useful false claim to paint the other side as insane. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On February 19 2020 07:34 Mohdoo wrote: Bloomberg won't concede because he has too much to lose. Biden feels owed the nomination like Clinton did. Buttigieg has convinced himself he's Obama. If all egos continue as is, this will be great. All we need is for these awful egos to continue insisting they are the best until super Tuesday. They will all insist the others need to concede. Who decided which centrist quits? Part of me thinks they all agree someone needs to drop by super Tuesday. But will they agree who? I think Biden could leave after North Carolina if he doesn't have the afro-american vote behind him, maybe put himself behind Buttigieg, but obviously at this point it's hard to resist staying just a tad bit longer until super Tuesday, just to be sure you didn't waste your shot. Also the idea of Bloomberg "agreeing" to leave is about as likely as having an honest arguments with Mitch McConnell and Newt Gingrich. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On February 19 2020 07:34 Mohdoo wrote: Bloomberg won't concede because he has too much to lose. Biden feels owed the nomination like Clinton did. Buttigieg has convinced himself he's Obama. If all egos continue as is, this will be great. All we need is for these awful egos to continue insisting they are the best until super Tuesday. They will all insist the others need to concede. Who decided which centrist quits? Part of me thinks they all agree someone needs to drop by super Tuesday. But will they agree who? In a race like this, where no one looks particularly better than anyone else, votes-wise, there’s no great driving force to drop out. I suppose if Warren gets a really disappointing (single digit) performance in the next couple of states she might finally have to kick the bucket, but I am quite certain that the other three you mentioned are going to linger for a long time. Klobuchar, don’t know where she stands, but there’s also no path forward. On some level, I have to say that there are so many candidates precisely because the field is so divided, probably less so than the reverse. Yes, there’s a lot of folks out there that aren’t too keen on Sanders (or maybe they are, but they think he’s not the “electable” choice), but those same people don’t really particularly like any of the other candidates much as well. If any of the choices were any good, they would have consolidated party support and would be on track to win straight majorities; evidently that’s not what’s happening. I also noticed that, unlike with the other candidates who certainly have no shortage of glaring weaknesses to be attacked, Sanders definitely isn’t pulling his punches with Bloomberg. But bashing Bloomberg is just so perfectly on message for Sanders that it’s amazing that such an opportunity exists. | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Obviously it's just one poll, but it dosen't seem impossible for Sanders to win SC now and an overall majority going to the convention. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-surges-into-national-lead-in-new-post-abc-poll/2020/02/19/868266a4-5280-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html | ||
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