US Politics Mega-Blog - Page 150

On January 24 2019 07:03 GreenHorizons wrote:


Supporting coups and totalitarian monarchs is tyranny, being tyrannical is one of the few things the US still may lead in.

On January 24 2019 08:38 Nebuchad wrote:
The capitalists aren't sending their best

https://twitter.com/Bruno_J_Navarro/status/1088171477109796864

On January 24 2019 08:57 xDaunt wrote:

Yeah, and in the same breath that economist admitted that he doesn't really know and that he needs to study the proposal (also noting that the "devil is in the details."). Clearly he knows that the effective tax rate in the US was never that high and that economic conditions during that time period were materially different than they are now.

On January 24 2019 09:29 Nebuchad wrote:


There is nothing you could say that would convince me that you truly believe the conditions today are so different from earlier that things would collapse if people who make over 10 million dollars paid more taxes on what they win above these 10 millions.

On January 24 2019 08:05 xDaunt wrote:

Foreign policy is a very different animal from domestic governance. I fully support the US fucking with other countries to the extent that it benefits Americans.

On January 24 2019 08:36 xDaunt wrote:
Yeah, Maduro is irredeemable. There is no good reason to support him whatsoever. He has been an absolute catastrophe for Venezuela and should be executed for crimes against the people.

On January 24 2019 10:21 GreenHorizons wrote:


While I find this position completely and absolutely morally bankrupt as well as deplorable I do appreciate it's honesty.

This however:



only makes me question why you bothered being honest.

On January 24 2019 08:43 Danglars wrote:
How much the opposition to using soft power to put pressure on Maduro really based in Venezuela’s socialist connection? (I know the common defense is that it wasn’t real socialism yadda yadda.) Is it really just noninterventionism of the kind that would also want us to withdraw from Syria.

It doesn’t make a lot of sense when he’s starving the country and fixing elections. Just the stories about the state of hospitals (and reported on from left-wing press outlets) is heartbreaking.

On January 24 2019 10:27 xDaunt wrote:

What, are you really going to dispute that Maduro has done horrible things to his country? Sure, give him due process and try him, but there's no mistaking his abominable record. King Louis XVI was sent to the guillotine for less.

On January 24 2019 10:33 xDaunt wrote:
GH, no one is going to take you seriously if you're going to take the position that Maduro has no responsibility for starving his people. Of course the US is going to sanction the fuck out of Venezuela and refuse to do business with Venezuela when Maduro and his cronies refuse to respect American investments and property rights in their country. Who the fuck are you kidding?

On January 24 2019 10:40 GreenHorizons wrote:


Did I say Maduro has no responsibility?

You guys are the ones acting like when the US starves Venezuelans for profit that it's cool, even worth supporting an illegal coup to bolster our position of dominance.

You support an open fascist in Brazil and a totalitarian theocratic (Muslim) monarchy for profit and power who the fuck are you kidding with this faux concern for Venezuelans?

The bipartisan support for overthrowing foreign leaders to replace them with ones more profitable for US corporations should be enough for everyone to conclude the parties are trash imo.

On January 24 2019 11:25 xDaunt wrote:


It's not just that Maduro has some responsibility. He bears the vast majority of the responsibility for the collapse of Venezuela. This isn't even a matter of reasonable dispute, unless you want Chavez to share some of the blame.

And no, I do not have any problem with the US sanctioning Venezuela. We don't owe Venezuela anything. If the Venezuelan government is going to rob Americans and American businesses, then the US government has an obligation to retaliate and sanction Venezuela. Yes, the Venezuelan people will suffer, but they're the idiots who elected Maduro in the first place, so my sympathy has its limits. It's ultimately up to the Venezuelans to stop their nation from acting like the banana republic that it has become. For their own good, they need to get rid of Maduro and all of his cronies.

As for Brazil and Saudi Arabia, I've already made it clear why I support Bolsonaro and the Saudis: the realpolitik. At least they aren't outright fucking over their people like Maduro has.

On January 24 2019 11:31 GreenHorizons wrote:


I can't keep straight whether the Venezuelan people elected Maduro like you just said to cushion the inhumanity you're supporting or he's not an elected leader like your presidents administration just said to justify the coup to take back US corporate interests in Venezuela?

Bolsonaro openly said he would imprison and/or banish his political opposition, as well as a whole ton of draconian bullshit. SA is still fucking decapitating people for non-violent crimes as well as plenty of other horrific shit that typically is used to justify fucking up other Muslim countries. That you describe that as not "outright fucking over their people" at least jives with your previously articulated morally bankrupt and deplorable position on foreign policy.

I certainly still see it plainly as such.

On January 24 2019 11:44 xDaunt wrote:


Even if we presume that Venezuela had a fair election (huge presumption) in which they chose Maduro, that is not a good enough reason for the Venezuelan people to continue to suffer under his rule. So yes, they absolutely should overthrow his ass.



Wake me up when Brazil and Saudi Arabia are enduring massive famines and economic collapse. Then we can talk about how horrible they are in relation to Maduro-era Venezuela. The fact that you refuse to admit and accept is that Venezuela is in a completely different league of "horrible" than either Saudi Arabia or Brazil.

On January 24 2019 07:21 Nebuchad wrote:


Sorry, I didn't know that meme

GH: what did AOC say?

On January 24 2019 09:29 Nebuchad wrote:


There is nothing you could say that would convince me that you truly believe the conditions today are so different from earlier that things would collapse if people who make over 10 million dollars paid more taxes on what they win above these 10 millions.