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I know I'm going to get flamed but hear me out before you do. To keep it short, other eSports are unbanning previously banned players who were convicted of match fixing and throwing games. CS:GO tournament organizers have been slowly unbanning previous known match fixers. Only tournament organizers that haven't unbanned these players appear to be Faceit, ELeague, and Valve themselves.
Now keep in mind, unbanning them doesn't mean match fixing is acceptable. These players have been banned for at least a year or two now (only started following CS:GO recently) and they understand the mistake they made, the consequences it had on themselves, and on the sport itself. Going forward, these e-sports organizations are making it clear that if you match fix, harsher punishments will occur compared to before. Before, these punishments seem to be ambiguous and not set in stone. But now, they are well defined.
Everyone makes mistakes. What matters is learning from them. As the saying goes: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I found this in the CS:GO Dreamhack unban matchfixers thread and this is their stance:
For second and subsequent offences, participants should expect far harsher sanctions and, in the cases of (a) (cheating) and (b) (Match-Fixing/betting fraud) above, in all likelihood, a lifetime ban from esports. Alongside this, all previously issued indefinite lifetime bans issued prior to February 15th, 2015 have been lifted. This applies to all DreamHack’s large scale CS:GO tournaments to begin with, primarily DreamHack ASTRO Open and DreamHack Masters. These sanctions and updates do not apply for publisher sponsored competitions, in which sanctions in place by a publisher such as Valve will supersede such sanctions.
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Just there to voice some clear agreement.
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Why does other eSports unbanning match-fixers mean Starcraft should do it?
Besides it doesn't fit with Starcraft's reality. Match-fixers have done so much damage to Starcraft (and are perceived to have done that damage and more) that unbanning them would have a disastrous effect on the scene and fan base.
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Hi Life's fan boy.
Korean community hates/don't like Life now ( I don't remember where but there is a thread about that ), so, sorry.
Cheating is historically dramatic for starcraft scene, not for the counter strike one, you can't compare.
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Well most matchfixing in sc2 happens in Korea and the Korean scene will definitely think very different about this.
There is no chance that players like Life and co will be allowed to compete in Korea again. I also think Blizzard will not unban them and there are really no big third party tournaments left in sc2 that could allow matchfixers to play.
It would probably have to start with online tournaments allowing them back first, but they risk offending the rest of the Korean scene by unbanning matchfixers.
So basically the opinion of the foreign scene about this does not really matter and Korea will not change their stance. I'm not even gonna give my opinion on whether they should be unbanned or not, we simply can't make that decision.
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Match-fixers helped almost kill the Starcraft scene in Korea. Fuck them and no.
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On September 08 2017 02:28 Valikyr wrote:
Match-fixers helped almost kill the Starcraft scene in Korea. Fuck them and no.
This...
Why the hell would you even argue for unbanning them?!
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Because someone else unbanned them is not a reason for SC2 to unban them.
Also,
For second and subsequent offences, participants should expect far harsher sanctions
So you're expected multiple offenses, even after the second round?
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I'm tired of reading these really poor arguments.
"Everyone makes mistakes"
"Everyone deserves second chances"
Yeah they can make those amends outside of esports. They can go have their second chance by getting another job and not committing fraud there.
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Given that matchfixing in korea had severe legal ramifications for the players, I don't think the same thing would apply.
As much as I would love to see Life back again it's not happening
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I don't think that unbanning the few matchfixers would really improve the professional scene much. Life is the only one of the players I can think of that has a chance of still being decent. So basically, we're weighing bringing Life back against the potential damage to the image of SC.
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On September 08 2017 02:16 geokilla wrote:
Everyone makes mistakes. What matters is learning from them. As the saying goes: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I can picture Hitler coming out of his bunker at the end of WWII to meet soviet troops :
"Everyone makes mistakes. What matters is learning from them. As the saying goes: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
and yeah you'll get flamed because advocating for the return of criminals into the scene they hurt is the shittiest idea since Aztec human sacrifices.
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On September 08 2017 02:54 JackONeill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 02:16 geokilla wrote:
Everyone makes mistakes. What matters is learning from them. As the saying goes: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I can picture Hitler coming out of his bunker at the end of WWII to meet soviet troops : "Everyone makes mistakes. What matters is learning from them. As the saying goes: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." and yeah you'll get flamed because advocating for the return of criminals into the scene they hurt is the shittiest idea since Aztec human sacrifices.
You just compared match fixers to Hitler? Really?
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On September 08 2017 02:58 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 02:54 JackONeill wrote:On September 08 2017 02:16 geokilla wrote:
Everyone makes mistakes. What matters is learning from them. As the saying goes: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I can picture Hitler coming out of his bunker at the end of WWII to meet soviet troops : "Everyone makes mistakes. What matters is learning from them. As the saying goes: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." and yeah you'll get flamed because advocating for the return of criminals into the scene they hurt is the shittiest idea since Aztec human sacrifices. You just compared match fixers to Hitler? Really?
Obviously a bait thread so why not go all out?
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On September 08 2017 03:08 JackONeill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 02:58 geokilla wrote:On September 08 2017 02:54 JackONeill wrote:On September 08 2017 02:16 geokilla wrote:
Everyone makes mistakes. What matters is learning from them. As the saying goes: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I can picture Hitler coming out of his bunker at the end of WWII to meet soviet troops : "Everyone makes mistakes. What matters is learning from them. As the saying goes: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." and yeah you'll get flamed because advocating for the return of criminals into the scene they hurt is the shittiest idea since Aztec human sacrifices. You just compared match fixers to Hitler? Really? Obviously a bait thread so why not go all out?
I think OP is a genuine idiot tho.
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