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art_of_turtle
United States1200 Posts
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razedbywolves
United States8 Posts
On September 08 2017 02:24 jinjin5000 wrote: I thought it was more of joking around but with sea clearly crossing line during it. Thought it was more in line of harassing than assault really. Sea clearly loses his plot when drinking, especially with his hands being really grabby when drunk. He should have had the suspension long ago before his own success got to his head too much It was both. It was sexual harassment and it was assault. At least in American law, his actions would constitute assault and battery. I think many of you are envisioning aggravated assault when the word is thrown around. I was a fan of Sea and was cheering for him in ASL as well as when he played for TL but have lost my respect. Regardless of how severe his actions were, we as a community shouldn't stand for some of these prevailing attitudes towards women, which is my biggest surprise in reading some of your reactions. My girlfriend and quite a few women I know want to be part of gaming and the esports community but often are put off by prevailing attitudes towards girl gamers. I've seen firsthand how chauvinistic some people can act towards them, and it can get pretty disgusting. I'm not asking for a collective kumbaya moment but we should afford decency toward fellow gamers if we truly want a friendly, inclusive community. | ||
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reincremate
China2215 Posts
On September 07 2017 22:16 Harem wrote: He has a long way to go before he is at his old form. He is even struggling in zvp currently. also killer vs sky right away, time to commit sudoku at this cruel life You mean seppuku? Or are you going to somehow commit a number-placement puzzle game?  Or maybe this is a reference to something that I'm not aware of. | ||
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OrangeGarage
Korea (South)319 Posts
On September 08 2017 11:11 reincremate wrote: You mean seppuku? Or are you going to somehow commit a number-placement puzzle game? Or maybe this is a reference to something that I'm not aware of. its satire on how so many people use it and misuse it lightly | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
I was recently reading an article about the prevalence of dating abuse in korean (both physical and non physical). While I don't live in Korea or have any personal experience there, living in Japan you definitely see males push their weight around much more than you're comfortable with as a foreigner. Sometimes so much so as to be compelled to intervene. Well, sadly(not so sadly..) he got the punishment he deserved  also edit to the posters above: I wouldn't call it so much of "satire" as much as it just being a shitty meme that people find hilarious (apparently?) | ||
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AManHasNoName
United States165 Posts
On September 08 2017 11:11 reincremate wrote: You mean seppuku? Or are you going to somehow commit a number-placement puzzle game? Or maybe this is a reference to something that I'm not aware of. Here you go! :D http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/commit-sudoku | ||
itsjustatank
Hong Kong9154 Posts
On September 08 2017 11:11 reincremate wrote: You mean seppuku? Or are you going to somehow commit a number-placement puzzle game? Or maybe this is a reference to something that I'm not aware of. whoosh | ||
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RWLabs
Korea (South)273 Posts
THIS INCIDENT WAS THAT OF A DRUNKEN SEA HARRASSING AND GRABBING A FEMALE BJ. End of goddamn story. It's not a misogynistic hate crime, nor does it reflect the Korean view of women. Guess what? Sea is an asshole. A drunken Sea is a bigger asshole. That's it. If you can't keep yourself about talking about gender equality, go to the goddamn politics thread and leave the rest of us on the Brood War forums in peace. /rant | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1437 Posts
On September 08 2017 11:02 razedbywolves wrote: It was both. It was sexual harassment and it was assault. At least in American law, his actions would constitute assault and battery. I think many of you are envisioning aggravated assault when the word is thrown around. I was a fan of Sea and was cheering for him in ASL as well as when he played for TL but have lost my respect. Regardless of how severe his actions were, we as a community shouldn't stand for some of these prevailing attitudes towards women, which is my biggest surprise in reading some of your reactions. My girlfriend and quite a few women I know want to be part of gaming and the esports community but often are put off by prevailing attitudes towards girl gamers. I've seen firsthand how chauvinistic some people can act towards them, and it can get pretty disgusting. I'm not asking for a collective kumbaya moment but we should afford decency toward fellow gamers if we truly want a friendly, inclusive community. are you kidding? You don't seem to understand my take on the issue here while trying to attack my "chauvinism" . If you look at the uncensored gif the punch wasnt the problem there. Its not even a punch. Its clear as day it was playful. The problem I have with sea was his drunken attitude, but the media is too busy painting the playful punch as assault to pay attention to it. Assault and harassment are two different things, and while Sea certainly deserves punishment (and wasn't enough), this incident is clearly harassment case that was twisted into assault case by the media. I am not saying that Sea shouldn't be punished or what he did was right. I am just saying that the media is portraying the wrong issue, which is my issue here. Him being drunken asshole that throws up and grabs people is the issue, not his playful punching that people interpret as assault. On September 08 2017 11:37 RWLabs wrote: Right, that does it. For God's sake you people will do anything to claim the moral high ground by bringing in identity politics. Here's a reminder: THIS INCIDENT WAS THAT OF A DRUNKEN SEA HARRASSING AND GRABBING A FEMALE BJ. End of goddamn story. It's not a misogynistic hate crime, nor does it reflect the Korean view of women. Guess what? Sea is an asshole. A drunken Sea is a bigger asshole. That's it. If you can't keep yourself about talking about gender equality, go to the goddamn politics thread and leave the rest of us on the Brood War forums in peace. /rant People who just saw the censored gif don't seem to get it. Not very popular opinion around here and reddit to point out that this wasn't assault case, but a rowdy drunk case that had gone too far. In Sea's case, 200th time too far. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On September 08 2017 11:02 razedbywolves wrote: It was both. It was sexual harassment and it was assault. At least in American law, his actions would constitute assault and battery. I think many of you are envisioning aggravated assault when the word is thrown around. I was a fan of Sea and was cheering for him in ASL as well as when he played for TL but have lost my respect. Regardless of how severe his actions were, we as a community shouldn't stand for some of these prevailing attitudes towards women, which is my biggest surprise in reading some of your reactions. My girlfriend and quite a few women I know want to be part of gaming and the esports community but often are put off by prevailing attitudes towards girl gamers. I've seen firsthand how chauvinistic some people can act towards them, and it can get pretty disgusting. I'm not asking for a collective kumbaya moment but we should afford decency toward fellow gamers if we truly want a friendly, inclusive community. Seriously, battery, sexual harassment and assault??? I truly understand now why Trump is your president, all you US people fucking crazy? Yes, he misbehaved but that's about it. Shit happens. It's not the end of the world and mistakes do happen, it's not like the guy is some crazy psycho that hits women for fun or even hit this girl very hard with the intention to hurt her. Last but not least, it's mainly US women pushing for gender equality and that's not something that should only come with benefits (aka better positions/pay). If you still make a distinction between guys/girls here you are in fact being a sexist according to these ppl. We as a community should stand up for being more reasonable to people (which does not mean what sea did is right, but people like you are at the extreme other end of the story, like wtf you been drinking/smoking/whatever man). | ||
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polgas
Canada1761 Posts
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reincremate
China2215 Posts
On September 08 2017 11:23 AManHasNoName wrote: Here you go! :D http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/commit-sudoku Ah, okay. Meme isn't very dank though. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3684 Posts
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AManHasNoName
United States165 Posts
On September 08 2017 12:14 reincremate wrote: Ah, okay. Meme isn't very dank though. Haha nope, hasn't been for years now. | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1437 Posts
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/6ys9yu/seas_public_statement_regarding_his_asl_ban/ | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
536 Posts
Translator Note (T/N): I'm not here to claim any side, I'm just translating. Hi, I'm Sea. I'm not good at writing long posts so I'm not sure if it'll turn out well, but I ask you to please read on. I did not harass nor assult the other BJ during the stream. People are taking the specific moments from the broadcast and making me look like I assulted and/or sexually harassed her but that is not the case. I am close friends with her (the female BJ), and we streamed many times together. The concept of the broadcast, when we streamed, was that I would try to touch her (T/N: word was "skinship", imo aka flirting, but with slight physical contact. Not to be confused with just touching her overly.), she would punch me in response, and that would continue. That was the concept. The said video that's floating around the internet was part of the concept, and it was nothing sexual. In fact, after the article was posted, my friend (the female BJ) messaged me saying that she was worried for me and asked if there's anything she could do to help out. For the part where I looked like I was "assulting" her, I hit her in the elbow two times, and she threw ice cold water at my face, everyone laughed, and the atmosphere was pretty good. I'm not saying that I did nothing wrong. I did drink a lot, and I did many questionable things on stream that made my viewers feel uncomfortable. However, unlike what the article states, I did not sexually harass or physically assult someone. My reputation has been really tainted due to this incident, and my family is also having a very hard time due to this. Today, I met a lawyer and decided to sue the journalists who wrote and posted the article online. I am also planning to sue those who are writing very hateful speech against me online, after I gather some evidence. There's also some misunderstanding on my Afreeca ban: I was banned 3 days for throwing up on stream, and 3 days for assulting another BJ on stream. Thus, it came out to be a 1 week ban. What I think is very unfair, however, is the fact that I was disqualified from ASL Season 4 due to the 1 week ban. I don't think it was right for me to receive the 3 day ban for fooling around with the regular broadcast concept, hitting the female BJ on the elbow, then considering it as an assult against another BJ. (T/N: He's not claiming that he "hit" her in a sense that he assulted her, but rather it was part of him flirting around/fooling around with her) I can't understand this at all, and I feel its very unfair that I am forced to give up my ASL spot, possibly my last ASL before I turn 30. Please do not insult me based on the malicious articles (T/N more like witchhunt) and posts that only contain assumptions and no facts. Last but not least, if you see any comments or posts heavily insulting me online, trying to defame me for this particular incident, please email me at <redacted>. (T/N: due to some... not so great conversations happening on TL and other stuff, I'm removing the email on purpose) Thank you. | ||
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Dragnor
10 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3119 Posts
Doing this on stream can be risky stuff. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
I will note that unlike English law, truth is not an absolute defense to libel in Korea (it is not in most Asian countries). People in ugly divorces in particular sometimes manage to secure penalties for "harmful statements" even if what the other person says is factually true. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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