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Meepman
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada610 Posts
April 04 2017 17:21 GMT
#41
You didn't get banned for calling out a hacker, Blizzard responded reasonably to your concerns in the moment... especially given the way that everybody who beats you is hacking. You got banned for acting like a child.

Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
April 04 2017 17:29 GMT
#42
On April 04 2017 20:29 AxiomBlurr wrote:
Yes we can talk about it...

1) I am convinced there are hacks for the present iteration of SC2.

2) My estimation (by time spent on the ladder) is that the percentage of players hacking in the US region is no larger than 1% of the total players in the region. I lived in Korea for most of HoTS and I estimate the percentage hacking there was 0.1 %. EU I have no idea...

3) The example you show could be coincidence, it could be hacks - this is not conclusive evidence.
WHICH leads to...

4) Avilo here is what the community, the casters, players, the tournament admins and the fans of the game in general, need from you to ever truly acknowledge and/or trust a single word you post or say:

A) "I avilo, have accused incorrectly too many players of hacking."

B) "I avilo, have too often in the past refused to own up to my own mistakes and failures."

C) "I avilo, have never been able to compete at the highest levels in SC2 and am predictable in my playstyle. " (This is important as 1 - the vast majority of players you have accused of hacking in the past, KNOW HOW YOU PLAY. 2 - Your lack of humility in stating your arguments is detrimental to the credibility of your stance).

D) "I avilo, have been disrespectful towards others players and dismissed their skills at the game too often."

E) "I avilo, will in the future try to be more honest and respectful. I will aim to conduct myself in a more adult manner with the community, the casters, the tournament admins and the fans of the game in general."

F) "I avilo, will stop crying wolf."

G) "I avilo am not special and thus am subject to the same rules and guidelines as participants in any given tournament."


Until you testify to this or something like it, no one of any rational/impartial standing will ever take you seriously. It is sad to see you throw away what potential you might have because you cannot (have not so far) owned up to this.

I am sorry, this is just the truth.

Good luck and Have Fun.


what a worthless post...
TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1199 Posts
April 04 2017 17:38 GMT
#43
This is your 100% evidence? Anyone that keeps track of time can do that. Are Stats, Zest and basically every Protoss that is high level a hacker because he can remember the trigger-timers of the widowmine? Yes there are maphackers, pretty sure about it but maphack or any sorts of that assist won't make you good at the game if you are not decent to begin with.

Mechanics pretty much overrule the startegy/micro part. Its just that you behave like a dumb person and you get treated as such. If Snute in a tournament would call out a hacker after checking the game / replays and with enough evidence no one would just disregard it. Hell I wouldnt even disregard you calling out someone but the issue is that you call out anyone with little to no evidence.
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Pnissen
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark110 Posts
April 04 2017 18:43 GMT
#44
I would help if people would just ignore threads like this where the writer is just trying to promote his own name.
Mvp - INnoVation - Maru
Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden590 Posts
April 04 2017 18:44 GMT
#45
As stated in an earlier post, it should not matter who started the thread. Disregarding the argument because avilo is the author is informal fallacy, it is ad hominem. avilo may have accused innocent people of cheating. That is a separate issue. This topic is about the community needing to talk about cheating.

Here comes my adapted version of the original post (keeping the essentials, taking the rest away). My changes are in [brackets].
On April 04 2017 14:48 a person, doesn't matter who, wrote:
Hi guys, it's about time the community has a discussion about this and gets a dialogue going with Blizzard about it as well.

For one reason or another it became taboo to talk about hackers or even fathom that they exist still on StarCraft 2. This needs to change.

[this paragraph is irrelevant to the topic]

[mostly irrelevant stuff got cut here] Back in Brood War it was the opposite - people called out hackers all the time and there were even many known Brood War players that people thought would never EVER hack that got caught hacking.

An example of [disregarding the issue of hacking] is Pig during the most recent WCS qualifiers making claims that there are no maphacks, as well as personalities in the scene like Nathanias that keep perpetuating that there are no working maphacks for SC2 which is honestly not the case.

Can we get a dialogue going in the community here and with Blizzard [don't make ad hominem arguments]? Honestly keeping the integrity of SC2 tourneys and ladder is pretty important for the game to stay alive and grow more.

[an example that isn't needed, no matter if accurate or not]

Is this going to be addressed by Blizzard at all? Are we all going to pretend it's not going on for even longer? Does it take the Korean SC2 community pro players complaining about it again for anything to be done about it?

[a statement I don't know if true or not, but it isn't necessary for this post]

As a community there needs to be a discussion about this. No more pretending it's not going on, and that it's become more prevalent.



This is a bit off topic, but I feel like this should be made clear.
On April 04 2017 14:48 avilo wrote:
People may have most recently seen the drama with me playing versus Nero/Retribution/Spectrum + whatever other aliases he goes by in WCS, and how i ended up getting banned and not allowed another chance at the same qualifier, despite me being the one that is screwed over by the maphacker.

The rules for WCS 2017 can be found through this link.

Chapter 6, paragraph 6.2 deals with cheating. That is not the reason avilo got banned.

Chapter 6, paragraph 6.1 deals with behaviour. This is a separate rule. To my understanding, avilo broke 6.1 (a):

"Players must at all times observe the highest standards of personal integrity and good
sportsmanship. Players are required to behave in a professional and sportsmanlike manner in their
interactions with other competitors, WCS organizers and members of the administration team, the
media, sponsors and fans."


Sorry that I don't add anything to the discussion. I just want the thread to actually be about the thread title.
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LtCalley
Profile Joined March 2011
United States244 Posts
April 04 2017 19:08 GMT
#46
there are MOST DEFINITELY STILL MAPHACKERS. played against one the other day. zerg that had no vision of any of my structures the entire game, never used his overlords to scout, and had his units in position to defend my pushes every time
"No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you" - Homer Simpson
Meepman
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada610 Posts
April 04 2017 19:10 GMT
#47
On April 05 2017 04:08 LtCalley wrote:
there are MOST DEFINITELY STILL MAPHACKERS. played against one the other day. zerg that had no vision of any of my structures the entire game, never used his overlords to scout, and had his units in position to defend my pushes every time


post reps gogo for all we know you could be another avilo
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-04 19:33:39
April 04 2017 19:23 GMT
#48
The person in the clip above is 100% utilizing a production tab hack + maphack to do what he did in the clip.


No, he's not 100%. That is minor circumstantial evidence at best and far more suspicious things happen all of the time when two legit high level players play each other.

You should edit out that hackusation and go apologise to that guy
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
April 04 2017 19:48 GMT
#49
Yes hacks are bad. You accusing every living person on this planet of being a hacker is also bad.
I don't get the point of this thread. If you see a hacker report him?
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
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