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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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mAKiTO
Colombia4177 Posts
On March 21 2007 00:18 baal wrote: He isnt banned because he casued trouble, he didnt cause freaking trouble, it was because Beyonder and other hypocrits trying to impose their morals hated his guts since day one. All you have to do is watch the last thead when beyonder decided to perm-ban him, an anti-chibi thread where you can clearly see how he hates him. He also said some stupid bullshit like "you made this thread even gayer" when he made a point in a gay related thread. Chibi has twice the post than the admins who wanted him banned, this fucking sucks and it shows a huge lack of judgement from any of you active red nicks and thats the reason why this forum suddnely took an awful shift to thousands of nobodies while the few people that mattered have left... now theres one tl.net personality gone too, good fucking job well said, agree 100% | ||
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Telemako
Spain1637 Posts
Then we have to deal with lies too and who lies? On March 21 2007 05:45 Smurg wrote: Does this mean more men in Spain have sex with 13+ girls? On March 21 2007 05:28 Telemako wrote: Third: If you have seen the table previously posted, here in Spain the age of consent is 13. It means that a 13 yo girl can have sexual relations with anyone if she wants to, because at that age she already is sexualy mature (average age for fist ovulation is 13). Obviously this law was made to protect 18(adult age here) yo to go to jail because his girlfriend was just 5 years younger and not to allow a 40 year old sick to sleep with 13 yo girls, that's why the consent part is added. I understand all the troubles it makes, I understand it is hard to talk about it without misundertandings. How in hell can a 13 year old be mature enough to understand a sexual relation and consent it?! The answer is that she won't. 1 / 1.000.000 13-15 year old girls will consent a sexual relation with a man over 30 yo. Conclusion: The sexual relation age of consent law is just a measure to protect non guilty relationships, not a barrier to allow mad sex if you surpase it. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
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KwarK
United States44402 Posts
On March 21 2007 00:35 MYM.Testie wrote: Mani, was there such public reaction that you had to really explain this? I thought the majority of people accepted it, and there were just a handful (1 or 2 including baal) who disagreed strongly with it. Perhaps the handful of people just kept pressing the issue so much that it seemed like there was more people so that you needed to justify it? You didn't really need to justify the ban. It was understood and accepted by most. Grudgingly by some. Those that didn't accept it don't seem to get it perhaps never will. I found that he expressed himself much more maturely than the vast majority of his flamers. And that while sober he generally was a good poster. I'll admit his infractions over time almost certainly do add up to a ban but even so, I'd rather he wasn't banned. Especially given this latest incident was not his fault. He was talking about something he was told not to. But he was talking rationally against Beyonders angry flaming. | ||
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KwarK
United States44402 Posts
On March 21 2007 05:29 bearnet2001 wrote: Every community has its own moral codes enforced by the leaders of the community or the community itself. Whether it be that randomly killing someone or doing a somersault is wrong and immoral doesn't really matter. What I understand the reasoning behind the ban to be is that he broke the moral code repeatedly (pedophilia being considered wrong, immoral, against the rules, etc) and so was banned. I don't think anyone, upon looking at this, disagrees that he broke the moral code of TL.net, as decided by the moderators. The question is more so whether or not the moral code is just (ie shared with the individual in question) or not. Is talking about pedophilia and essentially admitting to be a pedophile wrong? If you consider it wrong or unacceptable, you support the actions taken against it/him. If you don't, then you similarly don't support the consequences decided by the higher-ups. Personally I agree with the administrators decision: I view pedophilia an unacceptable trait, and the constant mentions of situations which imply pedophilia-like desires with no remorse not tolerable. You may say that there is no freedom in this, in banning someone because of a personal, emotional, sexual desire. But remember that we all have a limit to how much and what type of freedom is acceptable. While you may support 'freedom', that likely means that you support the right to do or say certain things without fear of punishment or retribution, but I'm sure that there are things that are still considered unacceptable in your mind. Murder or robbery would be a likely example of an unacceptable action in an otherwise free society. I'm for freedom to a point, but Chibi has passed that boundary; justice, handed down by the community leaders, must follow. And so it has. This is exactly what Chibi shouldn't have been banned for. In society paedophilia is a dangerous trait because it is an unfulfilable sexual urge. It should be monitored to prevent child abuse. Online, the best he can get is cyber, and I doubt many 10 year olds post here. He was a generally good poster and his sexual preferences shouldn't change a thing. For the record, I have pictures of a 14 year old girl naked on my computer. I was 16 at the time, she'd been my girlfriend for over a year, we were having some fun. I'm 18 now, she's now an ex, and I don't jack off over those pictures. Even so, you could still phone the police about them and get me 5 years or so. Does this make any sense? | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12816 Posts
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KwarK
United States44402 Posts
On March 21 2007 01:00 Ilvy wrote: I could tell you why, there are also other ppl that do not agree with this kind of fun, maybe thats the different between USA and Europe, but here we do not make jokes about kids and sex. if you want to do that in internet, go and find a US forum ^^, if it does not bother you, you are as sick as he is, even if he is in other things a really nice guy I couldn't disagree more. It's America without the sense of humour if anything. In Europe we're much more live and let live. Jeez. I mean come on. If we're going to stereotype entire continents we could at least to it correctly. Firstly, Chibi is British and therefore would be under Europe. Secondly, the US is stereotyped as having no sense of humour. For example arresting British students who make witty comments when asked "is it your intention to assassinate the president and/or commit acts of terrorism?" by immigration officials. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On March 21 2007 08:15 evanthebouncy~ wrote: Hooray let's jump more bandwagons and have less voices. This is ironic considering you're jumping a bandwagon yourself. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12816 Posts
On March 21 2007 08:19 tomatriedes wrote: This is ironic considering you're jumping a bandwagon yourself. let's means "let us" | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28917 Posts
On March 21 2007 00:18 baal wrote: He isnt banned because he casued trouble, he didnt cause freaking trouble, it was because Beyonder and other hypocrits trying to impose their morals hated his guts since day one. All you have to do is watch the last thead when beyonder decided to perm-ban him, an anti-chibi thread where you can clearly see how he hates him. He also said some stupid bullshit like "you made this thread even gayer" when he made a point in a gay related thread. Chibi has twice the post than the admins who wanted him banned, this fucking sucks and it shows a huge lack of judgement from any of you active red nicks and thats the reason why this forum suddnely took an awful shift to thousands of nobodies while the few people that mattered have left... now theres one tl.net personality gone too, good fucking job agreed | ||
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KwarK
United States44402 Posts
On March 21 2007 03:50 Ilvy wrote: wonders where you grow up, if you have nothing else to talk about you should find a book and read so you get something real to talk about. I am sry that i do not find any joke in if one talks about how he took a 12 - 13 year old girl, if it would have been my kid he would have had last time sex in his life Hey, what's the best thing about fucking 28 year olds? THERE ARE 20 OF THEM!!!! Ah, it works better out loud.  | ||
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Hollow
Canada2181 Posts
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Hasse
Sweden579 Posts
On March 21 2007 08:23 Kwark wrote: Hey, what's the best thing about fucking 28 year olds? THERE ARE 20 OF THEM!!!! Ah, it works better out loud. Ps. well written Baal. ds | ||
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MoltkeWarding
5195 Posts
On the other hand, he was a terrible poster, just like fakesteve. That I agree with. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On March 21 2007 08:30 MoltkeWarding wrote: Chibi, for all his depravity, was really harmless. As far as his pedophilia went, he was a sexual idealist with a limited imagination. He has not done any harm IRL. In translating his depravities into action, he has shown more reservation than many of his critics. On the other hand, he was a terrible poster, just like fakesteve. That I agree with. actually you will find that i am an excellent poster | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
I'm not going to bother finding others individually, this block serves the point. Also you mentioned they were taken out of context and not being fair.. I thought at least you would have picked ones that were unquestionably unnacceptable in nature... On February 24 2007 17:27 Chibi[OWNS] wrote: pm me if you want some of cute girls -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd sure as hell like some pics of cute girls? On February 26 2007 17:01 Chibi[OWNS] wrote: i dont like porn very much . white girls are annoying and fake as fuck -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- His own, possibly flawed, opinion on pornography. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On March 02 2007 22:11 Chibi[OWNS] wrote: you can also get convicted of producing and distrubuting child pornography if you video or photo yourself/girlfriend under age of 18 (even if you are under 18 yourself). see my thread that was closed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is news. Important news. You're both 17, you and your kinky girlfriend want to make a tape. It's not unheard of. What is is the fact that you could both be put in jail. I think you should be GRATEFUL to Chibi for posting things like this rather than try to hold them against him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On March 02 2007 22:19 Chibi[OWNS] wrote: in england it is illegal for anyone under 16 to have sexual intimacy in any way with anyone else, underage or not. if the parents want to end their child's relationship with another child they can prosecute the 'offender' with the law. bullshit laws like this are commonplace and are growing in number and frequency of use. in 10, 20, 40 years how do you see things to be different? USE YOUR BRAIN. THINK FOR A MOMENT. SHIT IS BAD AND IS GETTING WORSE. IT MATTERS. in not so many years the internet will be regulated. america already admitted to secretly recording internet useage. people are having their phones tapped. things like this are happening more frequently than you can imagine. Similar to the last post.. In today's climate two people who are 15 can't have sex, even if they are both consenting, without a whole string of legal implications. That's bullshit and you know it. More importantly, that's all that he is saying. If this is not the main reason for his ban then fair enough, if as you say he has had warnings and ignored them, regardless of subject, repeatedly then I guess he should be banned or whatever, he isn't running the show. But seriously, these examples are shit, you guys are WAY oversensitive, and if these or anything similar were the posts that warranted these warnings or considered as a breach of his agreements or whatever then you're all smoking crack. as it appears ? no ban deserved =/ boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Edit: Chibi[OWNS] United Kingdom. January 23 2007 00:51. Posts 10598 PM Profile Buddy Quote just post pictures of your hot sister. no complications. no morals. no nothing. just sisters in bikinis. you know you want to whats wrong with that?? some people have hot sisters and being a bit touchy? some people have little girl sisters and being a bit touchy? get over yourselves. that was at worst not-very-funny-but-at-least-he-tried. | ||
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KwarK
United States44402 Posts
On March 21 2007 08:32 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: actually you will find that i am an excellent poster If we assume Moltke compares to his own high standard, we're all terrible posters. Although I was somewhat unimpressed by the lack of historical references in his above post. I at least hoped for the words "ancien regime". | ||
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fig_newbie
749 Posts
HOWEVER The ideals pulsing behind this ban is whats bothering me. Although I've *only* been at TL.net for 2 years and posting for 1, I've seen many reasonable contributors, Chibi and Mitsy included, perm-banned for what seem to be biased opinions. Consider this: the reasoning behind your ban of Chibi was that he refused to adhere to your request that he refrain from pedo references. WHY did you ask that of him? Weak stomach, personal convictions, and grudges aside, is there any reason to ban him anymore than the dozens of other trolls who frequent this website, with MUCH more aggravating traits than his? I found Carlodijan's post...much...more...fucking....annoying...than Chibi's well written and argued threads. And the argument that he only talks about pedophilia - who gives a fuck? Its his image, just like how some of you flaunt your rock star status, or your real-life assholery (hi charliemurphy), and again, he argues his point in a way that you can't simply dismiss it as idiocy. Id like to also say that I'm not a particular fan of Chibi, and his preference to children disgusts me. But so does Mora's homosexuality Rekrul's thug sp33k and Baal's poorly written posts. Ultimately though theyre my own preferences, and I do realize that its part of what enriches tl.net and makes it fun to engage in conversation, because we dont agree with what everyone says and it leads to interesting diatribes. I find myself laughing whenever someone gets bashed for making a stupid post, or arguing an impossible position. Taking away people who can contribute like Chibi only hurts the community as a whole. But I guess most of the mods already debated this to death, so whatever. Just a rant. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28917 Posts
and honestly, chibi could have gotten permanently banned a long time ago and there would have been almost no objections. he has made a lot of drunken shit posts. but this time around, he was banned because beyonder took offense to a post that should not have been offensive, wrote a shitty flame post in retort (which then proceeded to escalate the discussion), and then banned chibi for posting about pedophelia and said he was going to leave the forums if chibi was unbanned. then, after all this, and hundred posts of discussion between the moderators, I guess the eventual result was that the other moderators did not want to go against beyonders ultimatum (although they also criticised it) and thus found a reason to ban chibi ; he had posted tons of shit topics in the past. (and this is a fact. ) but first temp banning someone, then warning that person never to do this again, and then banning the poster without him doing what he was warned about, (in fact the post that made chibi get banned was one of the better posts in the thread, beyonder was the one who "turned the topic gay" through his "witty and clever" flame) constitutes what I regard as shitty as fuck moderation. | ||
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