EPTOn March 21 2007 10:12 -_- wrote:
Have any of you actually met Mora??
Have any of you actually met Mora??
Nope, but I've seen his picture. Pretty good looking guy, glad hes not competition.
and moltke
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fig_newbie
749 Posts
Nope, but I've seen his picture. Pretty good looking guy, glad hes not competition. and moltke o_______________________O | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On March 21 2007 10:05 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Bey: If he doesn't stay banned I am not meant to be a mod Rest: Take that back right now that is not how we deal with things around here, we will continue discussing Chibi the way we were Bey: I am terribly sorry it was emotions talking, but I have very strong feelings about the subject If you think our mods let themselves be influenced by such a ridiculous ultimatum when basing decisions on moral matters then you're very fucking wrong about the whole way TL rolls. It had absolutely nothing to do with anyones motivation concerning whatever side they lean towards. A comment like that will undoubtedly make Chibi seem worse than he is. I'd never suggest that you'd allow Beyonder to force you all into a 'him or me' thing, but its going to have an effect on the decision. Chibi being banned prematurely is also going to have an effect on the decision because you value Beyonder's input. Everything that happens makes Chibi look a little better or a little worse, this is the inherent nature of such things. Not suggesting you guys were lining up and picking teams over it. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On March 21 2007 10:07 MoltkeWarding wrote: Had this this thread been left unwritten, the public would have surely acquiesced in the fait accompli. As it is, the justification of accounts has led to the awakening of public opinion, which, unleashed in its full fury, is the most destructive tyrant of all. that's not true at all, a thread of this manner was heavily requested. silence came when it was promised and now its here, so we talk. | ||
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United States7081 Posts
On March 21 2007 10:13 fig_newbie wrote: Nope, but I've seen his picture. Pretty good looking guy, glad hes not competition. and moltke o_______________________O Well, it's just that all you guys are acting like he is gay. And I always assumed it was a massive schtick... Edit: Like, he's written (on tl.net and on teamcanada forums I think), that he's had sex with HUNDREDS of men... written about giving blowjobs to uncircumsized guys, and all kinds of over the top shit. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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fig_newbie
749 Posts
On March 21 2007 10:17 -_- wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 21 2007 10:13 fig_newbie wrote: Nope, but I've seen his picture. Pretty good looking guy, glad hes not competition. and moltke o_______________________O Edit: Like, he's written (on tl.net and on teamcanada forums I think), that he's had sex with HUNDREDS of men... written about giving blowjobs to uncircumsized guys, and all kinds of over the top shit. that sounds pretty gay to me | ||
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United States7081 Posts
On March 21 2007 10:21 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Mora is actually gay, yes. He talks about it when its requested. Mani has hung out with him many times and I'd do the same were I in BC So mani[/i]GAYSTO[/i] is part of the conspiracy too. I expected as much. Luckily I've been logging both their IP's (and YOURZ FAKESTEVE so think carefully before you answer the following question: I am james bond. Seriously, I never knew! | ||
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mAKiTO
Colombia4171 Posts
On March 21 2007 10:05 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: If you think our mods let themselves be influenced by such a ridiculous ultimatum when basing decisions on moral matters then you're very fucking wrong about the whole way TL rolls. It had absolutely nothing to do with anyones motivation concerning whatever side they lean towards. well, thats why I was kinda shock, because I though that was what happened | ||
KwarK
United States43776 Posts
On March 21 2007 10:07 MoltkeWarding wrote: Had this this thread been left unwritten, the public would have surely acquiesced in the fait accompli. As it is, the justification of accounts has led to the awakening of public opinion, which, unleashed in its full fury, is the most destructive tyrant of all. It whiffs of 1789, where, in unnecessary royalist appeals to public opinion in the reinstatement Jacques Neckar, the government accelerated the cascade into the great civil war, leading to the demise of the Ancien Regime. My hope is of course, that whatever minor differences of principle separate the moderators, they remain sympathetic to each other's opinions. Drone, whose populist sympathies have cast him in the role of the Duc d'Orleans, may be especially advised to be on guard against his 16th Brumaire. Fantastic!!! Seriously laughing a lot here. I mentioned the Ancien Regime as a joke and you worked it into a valid, if incomprehensible point. It always surprises me that your mastery of the English language far surpasses mine. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On March 21 2007 10:06 LTT wrote: I don't see how what you are saying happened and what Drone is saying happened are at odds. According to you both the ban itself WAS premature and the other men in red agreed on that. From that point, however, the whole nature of the discussion inherently changes from "Has Chibi done enough to deserve this ban?" to "Has Chibi done enough to warrant an unban?" which are two completely different discussions. Drone and other are upset that the discussion inherently took place AFTER the act instead of the usual course. Once Beyonder apologized for the ultimatum, you guys didn't unban Chibi and shift the argument back to the first question. The argument was already shifted so suggesting that the premature banning and ultimatum had no effect on the discussions is a little unfair. The discussion was: Should Chibi be banned. If the answer outcoming of this discussion had been no, then we'd unban him. But banning him and then unbanning him, and then banning him again one week later, now THAT would be weird. The discussion was already going when Beys emotions took control of his actions, btw. So we continued that discussion the way it was before and everyone agreed the ultimatum was retarded and paid no further attention to it. On March 21 2007 10:13 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: A comment like that will undoubtedly make Chibi seem worse than he is. I'd never suggest that you'd allow Beyonder to force you all into a 'him or me' thing, but its going to have an effect on the decision. Chibi being banned prematurely is also going to have an effect on the decision because you value Beyonder's input. Everything that happens makes Chibi look a little better or a little worse, this is the inherent nature of such things. Not suggesting you guys were lining up and picking teams over it. You're right. The effect on the decision was that at least one mod was pro-ban. Other than that I think you have to believe me when I say every mod was as opposed to Beys actions as Eri, yet Eri's opinion wasn't influenced and neither was any of the other mods'. Give them some credit they're not a bunch of brainless monkeys hopping around, the whole mod team consists of intelligent people being capable of making their own decisions. On March 21 2007 10:29 Aphelion02 wrote: I don't care for Chibi's preferences at all and I barely know him as a person, but what I hear from Drone and this post of yours, it is disturbing that so much apparent personal bias goes into the decisions moderators make. Despite how you couch your statement, your essentially leveraging your importance to the community to impose your own views on the forum. You know no one really wants to jump out and say, "No we disagree with you, now leave this site.", so you your taking hostage of this fact to back yourself in this debate. This is just a disingenuous way of putting forth your earlier ultimatum in disguised form. And that sir, is what every mod agreed upon, and what Beyonder apologized for. You are not saying anything new and nothing you will say has not been said to him already. But you're right on. On March 21 2007 10:34 Gene wrote: This thread should not be about Beyonder's character. He said one thing in the heat of the moment that he is apparently well aware should not have been said. What he did was bring the issue to attention. Nothing more. Agree. | ||
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
On March 21 2007 09:39 Beyonder wrote: As for people calling me weak. Really, isn't this how it works. I work with these people and we have a policy. This is a very important subject for me: ethics, views, morals. If these folks dont share my views on such an important side, then I am not meant to 'work' as a moderator here. That's no problem for me. I just state the facts. I don't care for Chibi's preferences at all and I barely know him as a person, but what I hear from Drone and this post of yours, it is disturbing that so much apparent personal bias goes into the decisions moderators make. Despite how you couch your statement, your essentially leveraging your importance to the community to impose your own views on the forum. You know no one really wants to jump out and say, "No we disagree with you, now leave this site.", so you your taking hostage of this fact to back yourself in this debate. This is just a disingenuous way of putting forth your earlier ultimatum in disguised form. | ||
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brian
United States9639 Posts
What he did was bring the issue to attention. Nothing more. Moreover, trying to say his statement influenced the decision of the other mods discredits their intelligence and wisdom. They are not children. They can stand on their own and have their own opinions as well. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On March 21 2007 10:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: You're right. The effect on the decision was that at least one mod was pro-ban. Other than that I think you have to believe me when I say every mod was as opposed to Beys actions as Eri, yet Eri's opinion wasn't influenced and neither was any of the other mods'. Give them some credit they're not a bunch of brainless monkeys hopping around, the whole mod team consists of intelligent people being capable of making their own decisions. Yeah, I don't mean to be condescending or anything. The fact that I don't particularily like the way the forum is moderated has little to no bearing on my opinion of the moderators themselves. Beyonder's irrationability tends to leave a bad taste in my mouth, and I suppose I assumed a little too much. | ||
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mAKiTO
Colombia4171 Posts
Is he going to stayed banned? Or are you guys going to let him come back? what if he makes a new account and starts posting again? | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
1) Chibi posted the blatent pedo thread. You all know which one I'm talking about. Nearly *anyone* else on the site would have been banned outright, and deservedly so. Many mods were calling for a ban then, and I think there would have been much less objection then. But since it was Chibi, he received a temp ban. 2) Chibi was warned, very specifically, to avoid all mention of the topic, or anything that could even be conceived as being on that topic. He agreed to this. 3) Chibi then proceeded to, of course, still touch on the topic. Yes, he had toned it down and was more subtle, but I think his intentions were deceptive in nature. He just can't control himself. And once Saro brought up HOW many times we've gone through the same thing with him, it's pretty damn clear he was never going to learn. I've always liked Chibi, and I've always liked what he brought to TL, minus the whole being a pedo thing. But you just can't have a blatent disregard for the rules like that, and I think that each temp ban he returned from made him more convinced that he was untouchable, and our words were falling on deaf ears. It had to come to this, if not now, then the next time he posted something of very questionable nature... IMO it was inevitable. No one is untouchable on this site, including even veterans and mods. | ||
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bine
United States2352 Posts
2. Thanks a lot for the well written, thought out conversation and the apparently intense debate about this subject. I don't know enough about the degree of disruption chibi brought throughout the years, and I certainly have no idea what was said on the internal forums, but this explanation is proof that the decision was made in a thoughtful, careful way. 3. Regardless of whether or not he had much to do with this issue, it seems like there has been a reoccurring tension about beyonder's conservative-christian moderation. This is a very important subject for me: ethics, views, morals. If these folks dont share my views on such an important side, then I am not meant to 'work' as a moderator here. That's no problem for me. I just state the facts. Maybe I'm confused by the slightly confused wording here, but it seems to me he's saying that if the official line held by the TL.net staff isn't in accordance with his sense of ethics, he doesn't think he should be a moderator. While I certainly wouldn't suggest an opinion on beyonder as a moderator, as again, I haven't had much direct experience with any of this, I certainly hope that TL.net doesn't have an official set of standards that claim to be "morally" derived. I certainly don't think that any single set of ethics can be said to represent a community as diverse as tl.net. | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On March 21 2007 10:57 bine wrote: 3. Regardless of whether or not he had much to do with this issue, it seems like there has been a reoccurring tension about beyonder's conservative-christian moderation. hahahahahah I cant stop giggling | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
Honestly Chibi, you've been posting here for years, and barring some pedophile revelation, you've probably felt the same way the entire time you've been here. But over the past 3 months all you can post about is young girls when 2 years ago you've never even brought it up. Nobody cares about your attraction to young girls, you should've learned to be quiet. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28781 Posts
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