• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:57
CEST 03:57
KST 10:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies18Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)5Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview5[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double0Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !18Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0
StarCraft 2
General
herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists
Tourneys
Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 527 Hell Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 526 Rubber and Glue Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
(Spoiler) ASL21 Winner's Interview 25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 vespene.gg — BW replays in browser [ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies UA StarCraft: Mawin (T) vs hanniGan (P) Showmatch
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software)
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Esports Organizations: Raisi…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1114 users

Ghost snipe is currently bad/frustrating gameplay - Page 2

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 05 2016 19:44 GMT
#21
This topic just shows how bad smartcast is for starcraft. You can't really make a spell which just does its job 100% because at the end of the day it is ridiculously easy to use it.
Pretty much EVERY single spell problem we have/had in sc2 would have been dealt with through removing smart cast.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Loccstana
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States833 Posts
February 05 2016 19:45 GMT
#22
I agree, just looking game 5 of Byun vs Curious in the GSL it is obvious that making Ghosts lost Byun that game. Notice how the moment Byun starts making Ghosts, his supply starts dropping 30,40,50 behind the zerg. In hindsight any other unit, siege tanks, liberators would have been better. They cost less and actually are able to deal some damage without relying on an unreliable gimmick.

Ghosts are extremely expensive (600/300) for six supply and are pretty much useless except for countering ultras. The problem is they do a terrible job at it. One baneling hit, one fungal, one cleave, and the Ghosts sudden become dead supply. Here is my suggest to improve Ghosts: replace snipe with an ability called "irradiate round". It uses 50 energy and does 200 damage to biological units over 20 seconds. The ability has a 1.5 AOE radius and like the science vessel ability from Broodwar, does not stack on single target, but the AOE from multiple irradiates can stack. This ability forces the Zerg to micro and split his units as well instead of just Terran doing the spliting while Zerg A-moves.
[url]http://i.imgur.com/lw2yN.jpg[/url]
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-05 19:49:19
February 05 2016 19:46 GMT
#23
On February 06 2016 04:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:
This topic just shows how bad smartcast is for starcraft. You can't really make a spell which just does its job 100% because at the end of the day it is ridiculously easy to use it.
Pretty much EVERY single spell problem we have/had in sc2 would have been dealt with through removing smart cast.


You're so right. I'm tired of fellow protoss players who have less than 100 APM (I don't care if you say APM doesn't matter) but are still in diamond/masters because mechanics are that easy.

On February 06 2016 04:45 Loccstana wrote:
I agree, just looking game 5 of Byun vs Curious in the GSL it is obvious that making Ghosts lost Byun that game. Notice how the moment Byun starts making Ghosts, his supply starts dropping 30,40,50 behind the zerg. In hindsight any other unit, siege tanks, liberators would have been better. They cost less and actually are able to deal some damage without relying on an unreliable gimmick.

Ghosts are extremely expensive (600/300) for six supply and are pretty much useless except for countering ultras. The problem is they do a terrible job at it. One baneling hit, one fungal, one cleave, and the Ghosts sudden become dead supply. Here is my suggest to improve Ghosts: replace snipe with an ability called "irradiate round". It uses 50 energy and does 200 damage to biological units over 20 seconds. The ability has a 1.5 AOE radius and like the science vessel ability from Broodwar, does not stack on single target, but the AOE from multiple irradiates can stack. This ability forces the Zerg to micro and split his units as well instead of just Terran doing the spliting while Zerg A-moves.


With smart casting, this will be OP for sure. Just look at parasitic bomb and why it got nerfed.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12921 Posts
February 05 2016 19:50 GMT
#24
On February 06 2016 04:42 90ti wrote:
no, if ultras are T3, should they not also require T3 from terran? Libs wreck them pretty easily (reactorable), also mines which ignore armor, the thor, I could keep going. In the old days, a small squad or marauders with medivacs could just kite for days and isnt even difficult for silver league or up.

I wonder if people talking about tiers are trolling or just don't understand the concept of "unit compositions". Lings are T1 and counter T3 Thor, what a shock o_o.
WriterMaru
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
February 05 2016 19:53 GMT
#25
Don't think we need a monthly avilo rant about the game.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #19
CranKy Ducklings207
Liquipedia
Patches Events
19:30
Patches' Patch Clash #7
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 167
Livibee 116
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 709
Zeus 139
NaDa 82
Noble 19
Dota 2
monkeys_forever413
NeuroSwarm144
LuMiX0
League of Legends
JimRising 700
Counter-Strike
taco 433
Other Games
gofns20215
tarik_tv12639
shahzam462
WinterStarcraft389
C9.Mang0198
Maynarde126
ViBE110
JuggernautJason37
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick849
BasetradeTV111
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 54
• musti20045 31
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP11
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Scarra2705
Upcoming Events
Universe Titan Cup
9h 3m
Rogue vs Percival
Wardi Open
10h 3m
Monday Night Weeklies
14h 3m
Replay Cast
22h 3m
Kung Fu Cup
1d 9h
GSL
2 days
herO vs Classic
Cure vs Clem
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
GSL
3 days
Maru vs SHIN
Zoun vs Rogue
WardiTV Spring Champion…
3 days
SKillous vs Strange
Lambo vs Strange
Ryung vs Strange
Lambo vs Ryung
Ryung vs SKillous
Lambo vs SKillous
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
TBD vs SHIN
TBD vs Rogue
IPSL
5 days
ZZZero vs WorsT
Julia vs eOnzErG
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Dragon vs Artosis
dxtr13 vs Hawk
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 21
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

2026 KK StarCraft Pro League
BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
YSL S3
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: King of Kings
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
Bounty Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.