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BfA Community Links:
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On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote:
I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother.

Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion.

Form
Spreadsheet

If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-06 11:28:30
October 06 2016 11:28 GMT
#3221
Meant live, but maybe i wasn't fair enough for some of the harder dungeons. Some of the people clearing 13-15 tyrannical got the same few dungeons multiple times rather than getting 6 different ones
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
October 06 2016 12:15 GMT
#3222
The Court of Stars final boss with Tyrannical over +8 is fucking stupid.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-06 14:51:43
October 06 2016 14:51 GMT
#3223
Got pretty lucky with drops and have great item level now. But I feel like it helps me only very little in mythic+ and you can not carry as a healer. Sure I can heal up some mistakes, but if people play like ass there is simply nothing you can do.
And imo people in pugs now play even more careless than before. There are now really bad (or lazy) players that just expect to get carried because they bring a key. Or even if they dont bring a key, because you can not kick anyone once the run has started. Even had people go afk continuously twice now. And of course the usual lack of stun/interrupt etc.

Life as a healer in pugs is hard, its kinda like being a geriatric nurse that has to try and wipe all the shit stains they leave.
Off-season = best season
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-06 16:06:30
October 06 2016 16:03 GMT
#3224
Yeah, healing can make you feel pretty powerless. There are few pugs that get to that next level of efficiency, where each DPS is good and kind of multiplying each other's effectiveness. Even when I DPS as WW and bring massive damage, sometimes I do my full combo on a pack and they're still at 20% or something and then my damage drops way off while I wait for cooldowns. But when I'm with other good DPS, things die by the end of my combo and we're running to the next pack while abilities are on cooldown. Having to use fists of fury twice on the same low health pack really hurts. Or coming at efficiency from another angle, you get a group that knows how to combine pulls into mega pulls and then stack all the mobs properly and chain CC. When you go from that to a pug with DPS doing bad numbers and a healer doing no CC and no damage, it saps the fun out of the game. I've seen healers end mythic+ runs with literally zero damage done for the whole run. And I've seen tanks who think they're pro doing these mega pulls and chain pulls, but they put no effort into getting the mobs stacked, so it actually ends up being much slower than just doing standard pulls. I hate having my combo ready to go and the tank has got a million mobs spread out all over the place, so I wait and wait and I could have done my combo twice by the time he gets things reasonably stacked.

Oh and if you ask a tank before the run "do you know the pulls and the skips" they always say yes, because they don't know what they don't know. Inevitably there's a pull they mess up or a skip they don't do and how would they have known beforehand that they didn't know the better way.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
October 06 2016 17:11 GMT
#3225
Eh that sounds more like a bunch of luxury problems to me.
I am not even talking efficiency but just basic issues preventing you from getting through at all or ideally 2 chests. Like players going afk, accidentally body pulling additional mob groups, standing in shit, not caring about boss (or trash) mechanics at all.
Off-season = best season
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
October 06 2016 17:41 GMT
#3226
What you're describing isn't a healer problem, it's a pug problem. Whenever you pug you are always 1 in 5 players, and you can't control what the other 80% do. I consider myself an above average tank (at least for the level I play at), but there's only so much you can do when people bodypull packs or die to the first Bellow on Helya. The same is true regardless of what role you play. If anything, as a solo healer or tank you have the most power relatively.

Unfortunately that also seems to involve getting the most responsibility and stress. All the affixes I've had so far (and I haven't had Volcanic or Skittish yet) seem to stress the tanks and healers far more than the dps. Even if it's stuff like Bolstering, something designed to change the playstyle of, or challenge the, DPS, if they fuck up it all comes down to the tank and healer in the end.

And to be honest, isn't that why we rolled tanks and healers in the first place? I would prefer to be only held accountable for my mistakes and not those of dps or healers, but we chose the more responsible roles for a reason right?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
October 06 2016 18:11 GMT
#3227
Life is much better when you've got 3-4 steady players for 5 man
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-06 18:58:49
October 06 2016 18:55 GMT
#3228
On October 07 2016 03:11 Cyro wrote:
Life is much better when you've got 3-4 steady players for 5 man

But what are the chances the same people are gonna be on every time I have a chance to play? It's just not realistic unless you're going to schedule playing WoW... I think the best thing is to be in a large guild of skilled players that you can rely on and to develop your friends list and put together groups with whoever is available. But a lot of the best skilled players are focused on raiding and pvp, not dungeons.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
October 06 2016 19:00 GMT
#3229
Aw yea, main spec weapon 903.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34496 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-06 19:02:16
October 06 2016 19:01 GMT
#3230
On October 07 2016 04:00 daemir wrote:
Aw yea, main spec weapon 903.

Wow, where'd you get your relics from? I'm only 884
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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
October 06 2016 19:35 GMT
#3231
880 raid relic, 880 mythic+, 870 raid relic
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
October 06 2016 20:03 GMT
#3232
On October 07 2016 03:55 NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2016 03:11 Cyro wrote:
Life is much better when you've got 3-4 steady players for 5 man

But what are the chances the same people are gonna be on every time I have a chance to play? It's just not realistic unless you're going to schedule playing WoW... I think the best thing is to be in a large guild of skilled players that you can rely on and to develop your friends list and put together groups with whoever is available. But a lot of the best skilled players are focused on raiding and pvp, not dungeons.


If you play irregularly you'll need more
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-06 21:24:02
October 06 2016 21:07 GMT
#3233
On October 06 2016 03:01 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 21:34 GTR wrote:
On October 04 2016 10:59 GTR wrote:
Poll: Recreate the TL guild?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



A bunch of us are scattered on the guild's previous server, Cenarius-Alliance right now.

i'm keen to lead the new guild but it won't be worth it if people aren't willing to help out and join.
Not looking to make it serious progression-wise like with the past guilds on Ner'zhul and Cenarius, but serious enough where we can filter through all the jobbers and get stuff going every now and then.


Seems like there is enough interest. Are people just going to reroll on the server or transfer their mains over?

My 2 110s are Horde and I don't have enough time to raid with y'all on top of my current guild. Sorry


Id be down.. I played reasonably high level world 30-100 clears all raid tiers from Vanilla MC to Al'Akir in Cata. Even a world 6 on Brutallus cuz we were on the same server as Last Resort and they kinda told us what to do and it was pretty much a gear check, it didnt matter because of the gates anyway. + Show Spoiler +
Thing is I played EU and then I started working in NAand I didnt have the heart to reroll after 6 years and 8 toons (for proffs and alt runs/ raid comps mostly) + I dont know anyone NA.


I rolled a Horde mage a couple of weeks back that I can fac change, and I got alot to do but I wouldnt mind having some people to play with for mythics or even raids. Heroics seem pretty easy tbh and im walking in with greens so its kinda boring.


Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
October 06 2016 21:22 GMT
#3234
Holy shit Bolstering is an annoying affix for a lvl 4 one.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
October 06 2016 21:25 GMT
#3235
I found Bolstering to be fine, you just have to watch out for pulling extra packs and beware of pulling small(non-elite) units together with others.
WriterXiao8~~
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
October 06 2016 21:52 GMT
#3236
On October 07 2016 06:25 Kipsate wrote:
I found Bolstering to be fine, you just have to watch out for pulling extra packs and beware of pulling small(non-elite) units together with others.


I mean, its manageable, but in comparaison to Raging whioch had almost no impact, this one can be very annoying for big packs, especially if you don't bring constant aoe damage dealers
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-06 21:59:56
October 06 2016 21:58 GMT
#3237
In my experience its the other way around, Raging destroyed some of our mythic+ but Bolstering is relatively easy to deal with. For example the mob in CoS or the mobs in BHR really fucked us with their aoe if we had no stun/silence capeabilities when they were low. Not to mention that frigging Fel enforcer.

then again my group is like an Enh shaman a frost dk and an unholy dk rofl.
WriterXiao8~~
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-07 00:12:03
October 06 2016 23:51 GMT
#3238
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/773302-changes-to-mythic-keystone-rewards/

mythic2-3 +3 nerfed to 2.4x less AP

4-6 +2 give the same AP

7-9 +1 gives 2.5x more AP than before

I wonder how much gold they give now. Not very surprised to see this, spamming lvl 2-3 with as many chests as possible was not all that hard but it was the fastest way to get AP and legendaries at the same time and it was seeing some extremely high traffic on the group finder.

The chosen "fix" to this behavior does penalize those playing in a 5-man premade group and using their own keystones as they'll get twice as much AP if they wait to upgrade their stones 1 level at a time instead of 2 and that's not the only time that you may want to sit in front of the last boss and wait out the timer. I'm a little concerned about keystones being overly complex without a good reason for it
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34496 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-07 05:20:48
October 07 2016 05:20 GMT
#3239
Sooooo instead of much appreciated AP now your bonus chests can just have gold? Which we all groan at whenever we get from anywhere else?
Moderator
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
October 07 2016 08:00 GMT
#3240
This is good, might encourage people with lower keystones to actually form groups to complete it instead of looking for a boost group too.
WriterXiao8~~
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