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On April 11 2015 01:12 ROOTFayth wrote:
I think everybody including TotalBiscuit is aware that foreigners practicing in the same environment as koreans, given the same information (or coaching w/e) would perform just as well, it's like saying Canadians are better at hockey than everyone else because of our genetic :D
Well we're 5 years in and not a single foreigner team adapted to be able to compete with a korean team.
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On April 11 2015 01:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 01:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 11 2015 01:04 KrO_ wrote:
Do we need a foreign scene necessarily? I mean I just want to see the best players do well and get rewarded, regardless of where they are from. I do agree with TB on this one, but man with his attitude it is hard to say that.... Apparently we do because people want to root for someone they can "identify" with. Sad as it may seem, the majority of the audience doesn't care who is the best player, they care about having someone they can cheer for that looks like them Oh jesus, god forbid we cheer for local players like fans in every sport everywhere do. We should all just cheer for the Anahiem Ducks or the NY Rangers in hockey cause they're the best team? idk soccer but should we all just cheer for ManU cause they're already popular? Watching local players try to fight their way up, even if it is a losing battle most of the time, is interesting and it gets people invested in a way watching 99% korean tournaments doesn't for a lot of people. I'm not saying I don't want the best players to win the most, but the foreign scene has it's place and is important to starcraft.
The Anaheim Ducks? SGTK please. Not even people in Anaheim cheer for the Ducks 
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On April 11 2015 01:10 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 00:51 coolman123123 wrote:
What is the point of this? Totalbiscuit talks out of his ass all the time. His Axiom players can't get out of Code A, so he takes it out on foreigners. That's all this is. I think Heart qualified for Code S last season.
Of course he did, he also made it to the finals of WCS America the time before that. Ryung just finishes RO4 at Copenhagen. BUT HEY LET'S IGNORE ALL OF THAT BECAUSE ITS SHIT ON AXIOM DAY. Oh gee sorry we decided to build a team from the ground up instead of just cherrypicking the best players. Sorry we invested money making an effort and for some reason can't win every tournament. Gee, let's shit on someones passion why don't ya, that'll go down well.
This foreigner vs Korean argument is meaningless and came out of nowhere. Nobody made any claims about foreigners other than the fact that WCS is easier than Code A, which is true. That's as far as it goes. A few foreigners decided to take issue with that and start an argument, Miniraiser acted like a massive shitter and Reddit jerked itself into a coma over non-existent drama.
GG.
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On April 11 2015 01:08 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 01:07 Ej_ wrote:On April 11 2015 01:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 11 2015 01:05 KrO_ wrote:On April 11 2015 01:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 11 2015 01:02 Teoita wrote:On April 11 2015 00:56 TotalBiscuit wrote:
oh look, yet more morons in this thread engaging in player and casting bashing. Toxic little shits we could all do without. Maybe, but this kind of response doesn't exactly help your cause... Getting the approval of morons is not high on the priority list. If people act like shit they deserve to be treated like it. I believe that goes your way also. I have not done a damn thing to deserve the utter shit people have thrown my way today. Not that I'm surprised by it, only took a couple of days after the all-clear announcement for people to go right back to being toxic as fuck. That's the SC2 forums for you. except for calling everyone a toxic moron I guess If you want to avoid being called a toxic moron, then stop being a toxic moron. The insults thrown at me and my team today have no justification. Zero. Nothing that I said warrants any of it, it is nothing but vicious, vindictive toxicity.
I'm not sure who is a toxic moron anymore.
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On April 11 2015 01:14 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 01:12 ROOTFayth wrote:
I think everybody including TotalBiscuit is aware that foreigners practicing in the same environment as koreans, given the same information (or coaching w/e) would perform just as well, it's like saying Canadians are better at hockey than everyone else because of our genetic :D Well we're 5 years in and not a single foreigner team adapted to be able to compete with a korean team.
send a team of 30 foreigners, teach them korean and throw them in the korean environment, practice regime and they will do well
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Someone says his opinions and TB says he is a moron. Nice state of mind bro. You also think that your players are "faceless" forgetting how many fans you and Axiom have. At least you have lost one of them. Good luck in the next GSLs, will he VERY hard
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On April 11 2015 01:16 SuperHofmann wrote:
Someone says his opinions and TB says he is a moron. Nice state of mind bro. You also think that your players are "faceless" forgetting how many fans you and Axiom have. At least you have lost one of them. Good luck in the next GSLs, will he VERY hard
Maybe if you don't want to be called a moron, you should stop acting like a moron.
B.b.b.bb.bbbutttt,, my opinion!!!!! Who cares? Do you have something constructive to say or are you just here to shit on Axiom? No? Then go away.You calling WCS America free money when there were 17 Koreans in it is an absolute joke and a complete fallacy.
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On April 11 2015 01:13 Endymion wrote:
i don't feel like reading through the arguments, but i think it's pretty true that foreigners are noob compared to koreans, it has always been that way (i never realized people thought otherwise lol).. wcs coddles foreigners by regionlocking out better players under the guise of "promoting healthy communities," but the truth is everyone knows it's BS..
it was the same in BW, except foreigners weren't so arrogant to say that WCG regional finals meant they were on par with koreans, nor so weak to say that they needed a region locked tournament to feel good about themselves.. ps, the whole nonsense about "there's better infrastructure in korea" is retarded, I have like 5 practice partners at the top of the fish ladder because i took the time to learn korean and appreciate korean bw culture on a personal level.. saying that you're worse than koreans because they simply have a better practice environment and there's nothing that you can do about it is the epitome of toxic attitudes in terms of improving the aggregate skill of the foreigner scene..
in the end it all comes down to money: wcs wants to promote more foreigner sales by pretending like foreigners can compete on the same level that koreans can.. blizzard doesn't care about your skill, it cares about the illusion of skill so that you buy more of its games.. there's two separate problems at play here(blizzard's greed and foreigner noobness)
edit the most important part~~~~ SC2 is dead in korea so blizz doesn't care about the korean scene at all, hence why it regionlocks wcs to pervade "skill" (region locked wcs insults korean skill at the end of the day by putting noobs on par with them in terms of winning below the global finals or whatever they call it).
and now we are blaming at Blizzard when the community was the one asking for the help for foreigners in the first place lol. TL never cease to amaze me.
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Bisutopia19382 Posts
On April 11 2015 01:16 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 01:14 Deathstar wrote:On April 11 2015 01:12 ROOTFayth wrote:
I think everybody including TotalBiscuit is aware that foreigners practicing in the same environment as koreans, given the same information (or coaching w/e) would perform just as well, it's like saying Canadians are better at hockey than everyone else because of our genetic :D Well we're 5 years in and not a single foreigner team adapted to be able to compete with a korean team. send a team of 30 foreigners, teach them korean and throw them in the korean environment, practice regime and they will do well
I think you are on to something! Maybe Korean players are better because Korean SC2 sounds are superior to the English ones. I think we all better agree on one neutral sc2 language, maybe Hungarian.
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On April 11 2015 01:17 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 01:13 Endymion wrote:
i don't feel like reading through the arguments, but i think it's pretty true that foreigners are noob compared to koreans, it has always been that way (i never realized people thought otherwise lol).. wcs coddles foreigners by regionlocking out better players under the guise of "promoting healthy communities," but the truth is everyone knows it's BS..
it was the same in BW, except foreigners weren't so arrogant to say that WCG regional finals meant they were on par with koreans, nor so weak to say that they needed a region locked tournament to feel good about themselves.. ps, the whole nonsense about "there's better infrastructure in korea" is retarded, I have like 5 practice partners at the top of the fish ladder because i took the time to learn korean and appreciate korean bw culture on a personal level.. saying that you're worse than koreans because they simply have a better practice environment and there's nothing that you can do about it is the epitome of toxic attitudes in terms of improving the aggregate skill of the foreigner scene..
in the end it all comes down to money: wcs wants to promote more foreigner sales by pretending like foreigners can compete on the same level that koreans can.. blizzard doesn't care about your skill, it cares about the illusion of skill so that you buy more of its games.. there's two separate problems at play here(blizzard's greed and foreigner noobness)
edit the most important part~~~~ SC2 is dead in korea so blizz doesn't care about the korean scene at all, hence why it regionlocks wcs to pervade "skill" (region locked wcs insults korean skill at the end of the day by putting noobs on par with them in terms of winning below the global finals or whatever they call it). and now we are blaming at Blizzard when the community was the one asking for the help for foreigners in the first place lol. TL never cease to amaze me.
yes i blame a parent too when its 8 year old child breaks a neighbors window playing baseball
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Katowice25012 Posts
I IMMEDIATELY REGRET THIS
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