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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 11 2015 01:02 Teoita wrote: Maybe, but this kind of response doesn't exactly help your cause... Getting the approval of morons is not high on the priority list. If people act like shit they deserve to be treated like it. | ||
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KrO_
England7 Posts
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
Just take the fact how some of our best foreigners have moved to Korea just for that practice have come back and preformed better than ever. Maybe they play better than ever before. But based on tournaments results, all except Grubby and someone (I forgot) failed (very) hard after Korea-trip. | ||
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coolman123123
146 Posts
On April 11 2015 01:00 showstealer1829 wrote: You're missing the point of the argument though, like so many have once the drama began. There were two key planks that were the basis of the whole thing 1) GSL acted basically unprofessionally today with the whole patch fiasco. You may say "Impact would have lost anyway" and that may be true. But he had to fundamentally change his game on short notice. Gumi probably less so. As an owner TB has every right to be pissed off about it 2) WCS World is easier than Code A. If there's anyone in the StarCraft world that doesn't believe this then they are truly beyond help. It's not "Taking it out" on foreigners to say they have it good right now thanks to the Region Lock. It's not "taking it out" to say they should be thankful for it.. It's not "Taking it out" when it's your team, your players getting fucked over. People who argue otherwise are either biased, naïve, stupid or a combination of all three. Yes Code A is harder, we all know that, but he only reason TB tweeted that was because all of his players lost in Code A. And it was clearly passive aggression towards foreigners, you can sit here and say he is just stating facts which is true, but why are we so surprised foreign pros got defensive? | ||
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KrO_
England7 Posts
On April 11 2015 01:03 TotalBiscuit wrote: Getting the approval of morons is not high on the priority list. If people act like shit they deserve to be treated like it. I believe that goes your way also. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 11 2015 01:04 KrO_ wrote: Do we need a foreign scene necessarily? I mean I just want to see the best players do well and get rewarded, regardless of where they are from. I do agree with TB on this one, but man with his attitude it is hard to say that.... Apparently we do because people want to root for someone they can "identify" with. Sad as it may seem, the majority of the audience doesn't care who is the best player, they care about having someone they can cheer for that looks like them | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
I have not done a damn thing to deserve the utter shit people have thrown my way today. Not that I'm surprised by it, only took a couple of days after the all-clear announcement for people to go right back to being toxic as fuck. That's the SC2 forums for you. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19382 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On April 11 2015 01:06 TotalBiscuit wrote: I have not done a damn thing to deserve the utter shit people have thrown my way today. Not that I'm surprised by it, only took a couple of days after the all-clear announcement for people to go right back to being toxic as fuck. That's the SC2 forums for you. except for calling everyone a toxic moron I guess | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On April 11 2015 01:04 coolman123123 wrote: Yes Code A is harder, we all know that, but he only reason TB tweeted that was because all of his players lost in Code A. And it was clearly passive aggression towards foreigners, you can sit here and say he is just stating facts which is true, but why are we so surprised foreign pros got defensive? Are you a psychiatrist? Do you know that for sure? Or are you just surmising based on your own belief? | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On April 11 2015 01:01 Rekrul wrote: it's genetic the end I think the poker world showed us that genetic is irrelevent  (I assume you were sarcastic lol) | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 11 2015 01:07 Ej_ wrote: except for calling everyone a toxic moron I guess If you want to avoid being called a toxic moron, then stop being a toxic moron. The insults thrown at me and my team today have no justification. Zero. Nothing that I said warrants any of it, it is nothing but vicious, vindictive toxicity. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
- Korean has more skilled players overall and a better ladder - Korea has many teamhouses where the skill is very high and coaches that will improve the overall skill - The standart of living is cheaper, for instance in Korea 500/1000€ might be a good salary but if you life alone in EU or USA might not be enough - Esports is stronger and Korea and even tho it's not the best a eSport career is much more acceptable by parents and family and much more recognized In the end the better players and hardworkers should get the cash, like Brazilians in football or americans in basketball.. where there is too much skilled players and there is not enough "jobs" for all of them, they tend to take their skills to other places.. i'm fine with that | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
The best game-realated outcome for a foreigner is not to stay progamer, it's to become a caster or a streamer. It was ok at the start of sc2 cause everybody was on the same starting line, but now it's over, no foreigner will have enough practice and experience as Maru or Life. On the other hand, if Blizzard does nothing the Foreign scene simply disappears, so yes they are lucky to have an "easy money" WCS but it's way to go if you want to make programing an option for the most talented ones. And in the end, who knows, maybe the foreign scene will grow, revenue will increase and slowly we'll start having sustainability and Foreigners will be able to compte with Koreans again. I don't see why anyone should be ashamed to be lucky, anyway. | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:51 coolman123123 wrote: What is the point of this? Totalbiscuit talks out of his ass all the time. His Axiom players can't get out of Code A, so he takes it out on foreigners. That's all this is. I think Heart qualified for Code S last season. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On April 11 2015 01:05 TotalBiscuit wrote: Apparently we do because people want to root for someone they can "identify" with. Sad as it may seem, the majority of the audience doesn't care who is the best player, they care about having someone they can cheer for that looks like them Oh jesus, god forbid we cheer for local players like fans in every sport everywhere do. We should all just cheer for the Anahiem Ducks or the NY Rangers in hockey cause they're the best team? idk soccer but should we all just cheer for ManU cause they're already popular? Watching local players try to fight their way up, even if it is a losing battle most of the time, is interesting and it gets people invested in a way watching 99% korean tournaments doesn't for a lot of people. I'm not saying I don't want the best players to win the most, but the foreign scene has it's place and is important to starcraft. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
it was the same in BW, except foreigners weren't so arrogant to say that WCG regional finals meant they were on par with koreans, nor so weak to say that they needed a region locked tournament to feel good about themselves.. ps, the whole nonsense about "there's better infrastructure in korea" is retarded, I have like 5 practice partners at the top of the fish ladder because i took the time to learn korean and appreciate korean bw culture on a personal level.. saying that you're worse than koreans because they simply have a better practice environment and there's nothing that you can do about it is the epitome of toxic attitudes in terms of improving the aggregate skill of the foreigner scene.. in the end it all comes down to money: wcs wants to promote more foreigner sales by pretending like foreigners can compete on the same level that koreans can.. blizzard doesn't care about your skill, it cares about the illusion of skill so that you buy more of its games.. there's two separate problems at play here(blizzard's greed and foreigner noobness) edit the most important part~~~~ SC2 is dead in korea so blizz doesn't care about the korean scene at all, hence why it regionlocks wcs to pervade "skill" (region locked wcs insults korean skill at the end of the day by putting noobs on par with them in terms of winning below the global finals or whatever they call it). | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On April 11 2015 01:04 KrO_ wrote: Do we need a foreign scene necessarily? I mean I just want to see the best players do well and get rewarded, regardless of where they are from. I do agree with TB on this one, but man with his attitude it is hard to say that.... Yet many people say that "sc2 is dead because there are no foreigners to cheer for". | ||
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