http://sc.gosugamers.net/tournaments.php?show=150 tournament link ok, today gosugamers.net held an end of the year tournament. this tournament now has a 50$ prize for the winner which eggy-x17 donated. i played the tournament on the account PNAC and was through to the semi finals. i was waiting as i finished early, my opponent messaged me when he finished and we started playing the bo3 with no problems. part of the way through the first game, which i was losing, the admin GG-Orison messaged me asking if i still wanted to play in the tournament. i whispered him that i was playing my match, he continues messaging me and i tell him to leave me alone (as im playing), all of this is saved in the replays below which have text, first game is the one in question (all 3 included to prove that i won the match).
after finishing the bo3 and winning 2-1 i see that i have been forfeited and leugim put in the finals. the admin claims that i was not playing my match vs leugim (showing that he didnt check where leugim was or attempt to message him) and that since i ignored his requests to play my match i forfeited the tournament. he refused to see the replay with text and essentially ignored my protests, saying leugim was in the finals even though he lost, and logged off. i have screen shots of the entire conversation that show his refusal to see the proof and his continued claim that i was not playing vs leugim when he messaged me(even though the replays show i was). i will host these screenshots if anyone requests to see them or tells me an easy place to upload them. http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=54BAA6A26F15C10B http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=2DEADDF21E70A98C http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=FA5B223E5662DE95 the replays, with text saved(launch bw with bw launcher and in game type /rwtplay on to view messages). my hope in posting this is that people will realize how unfair such action is, especially in a tournament with a reasonable cash prize, and a superior gg.net admin will overturn the decision and let me play the final.
On December 30 2006 14:56 HellAngel wrote: Imageshack is easy.
Uh huh, I bet messing with an image is a two minute job. And it looks fool-proof. Right. And Idra would fake images to get 50 bucks, sure... But these are replays, and you didn't even bother reading everything he wrote. So stop 'contributing'.
i explained the circumstances under which orison claimed i did not deserve to advance and how he was wrong. not explaining the situation in context would make it easier to misinterpret or argue against.
On December 30 2006 14:56 HellAngel wrote: Imageshack is easy.
Uh huh, I bet messing with an image is a two minute job. And it looks fool-proof. Right. And Idra would fake images to get 50 bucks, sure... But these are replays, and you didn't even bother reading everything he wrote. So stop 'contributing'.
He was saying that Imageshack was an easy place to upload pictures.... Way to be a fucking jackass though chiflutz.
no offence but maybe if you wouldnt be so arrogant and reply him with manner not
00:04:57 <From: GG-Orison> hey there, you still gonna play or what ? 00:05:07 <To: GG-Orison> we're in game... 00:05:15 <From: GG-Orison> you versus who ? 00:05:24 <To: GG-Orison> im playing go away 00:05:37 <From: GG-Orison> Next time you do such a thin let me know! 00:05:45 <To: GG-Orison> you're dumb 00:05:51 <From: GG-Orison> And why's that ?
then it would be ok and you wont have to whine here
he had no need to message me at all, /where pnac /where only.leugim from him and there is no problem. instead he chooses to disturb me, and only me, if he had asked leugim or even checked where he was he wouldntve kept messaging me. there is no reason to put up with that harassment while playing a tournament game for a prize.
On December 30 2006 15:40 davidgurt wrote: In my opinion, you shouldn't have been bm in the first place by telling him to "go away."
While being BM is quite gay, that's not the issue here. I haven't watched the reps but if Idra won his games he deserved to advance. You can disqualify a player for cheating, but disqualification for being BM? No.
i explained the circumstances under which orison claimed i did not deserve to advance and how he was wrong. not explaining the situation in context would make it easier to misinterpret or argue against.
You should be a lawyer. Your long posts and argumentative style are orgasmic to the ears.
"easier to misinterpret or argue against"
One could say that another way.
"easier to misinterpret or exclusively argue against"
You don't want to talk about the context, because it's actually relevant to the matter. And as a result, it would make it easier for your opponents to argue their point if they so happened to be right.
You were bad mannered to Orison, the other GG admins, and other players. They all complained about you.
How do I know this could possibly be true? Because you were bad mannered to me when I did my tournament. And other players on this forum appear to have similar perceptions of you.
This caused your removal.
If Orison was bad mannered to you, then it was in turn due to your initial behavior.
Saw the pics, watched the replays. I don't know if the admin is a regular player, he might not be aware of the stress/concentration some people have while playing SC (especially matches that count), and he could have easily solved the problem like Idra said. However, you didn't have to take it out on Legium, he didn't play bad. Carriers, for that part, are what a lot of people resort to in PvT. :p
yeah that guy is a douchebag but at least admit you were a bitch, people are stupid but it really, really would not have hurt just to answer his simple question
by the way i hate kids like mesaber in your screenshots. 'admins are always right' rofl suck more cock please
both sides are at fault and i think whatever the final decision is it'll be fair either way
edit: hahahaha god don't ask for sympathy when you're a dick to your opponent for no reason. i liked your posts in general but i've lost respect for you, and it really doesn't matter if you care or not. please keep him out of this tournament =)
i explained the circumstances under which orison claimed i did not deserve to advance and how he was wrong. not explaining the situation in context would make it easier to misinterpret or argue against.
You should be a lawyer. Your long posts and argumentative style are orgasmic to the ears.
"easier to misinterpret or argue against"
One could say that another way.
"easier to misinterpret or exclusively argue against"
You don't want to talk about the context, because it's actually relevant to the matter. And as a result, it would make it easier for your opponents to argue their point if they so happened to be right.
You were bad mannered to Orison, the other GG admins, and other players." They all complained about you.
How do I know this could possibly be true? Because you were bad mannered to me when I did my tournament.
This caused your removal.
If Orison was bad mannered to you, then it was in turn due to your initial behavior.
trying to help you make the tournament better by arguing in favor of using better maps is being bad mannered? i never personally insulted you, i said (as did many others) that really really old maps are not good to use in a tournament.
as for this one, first round match my opponent and i had unplayable lag with each other, i suggested one of us be used to replace a no show so we could both continue in the tournament. raist says that cant be done because its 'not fair' and instead flips a coin, meaning my opponent had to wait an hour and got kicked out without playing a game. i called raist a fucking dumbass for that (that is the former bm orison is referring to). i had no problems with other players, g5 bitched for a while about the map but i had no part in that.
"they all complained about you" is a lie, you can see in the last ss that mushioov said there was no problem in our match.
On December 30 2006 15:54 IdrA wrote: ya i was irritated and insulted leugim for no reason, i apologize for that, it is not a reason to ban me from the tournament.
On December 30 2006 15:54 IdrA wrote: ya i was irritated and insulted leugim for no reason, i apologize for that, it is not a reason to ban me from the tournament.
Absolutely correct afaik, you seem irratated a lot of the times IdrA
On December 30 2006 15:54 IdrA wrote: ya i was irritated and insulted leugim for no reason, i apologize for that, it is not a reason to ban me from the tournament.
That really didn't make sense to me.
I'll hve to second that, but did Leugim said anything to the Admin ?
Sow what you reap Idra. Since I also think (and I know that many other people do as well) that you are one of the rudest "known" players, I don't think I even mind you getting fucked over due to your complete lack of maturity. You ALWAYS call other people "dumb, inferior," or "stupid." You ALWAYS act as if you are somehow intellectually superior when in reality you're some 16 year old brat who must be fucking spoiled rotten. You're turning into one of those players that when people hear they must play versus, they don't want to because it's such a bad experience. You remind me of that "black[light]" guy, only instead of being incoherent in your insults, you're hypocritical.
On December 30 2006 16:02 DarK]N[exuS wrote: Sow what you reap Idra. Since I also think (and I know that many other people do as well) that you are one of the rudest "known" players, I don't think I even mind you getting fucked over due to your complete lack of maturity. You ALWAYS call other people "dumb, inferior," or "stupid." You ALWAYS act as if you are somehow intellectually superior when in reality you're some 16 year old brat who must be fucking spoiled rotten.
What do you mean THINKS he's intellectually superior. He frequents TL.net, obviously his intelligence is above 99% of the population!
On a more serious note, to IdrA, you brought this upon yourself, and I don't know what you expected to happen by posting this here, trying to get us to riot against GG.net or something, when if you were intellectually superior you would've realized that it was, in the end, your fault.
I guess I'll place my opinion because everyone else is.
Idra, you're a pretty hard guy to get along with. Pretty arrogant and demeaning toward others, and consistently at that. I base this on your posting here. Don't get me wrong, we all have our moments, myself included. Sometime these moments get us into trouble.
That having been said, banning Idra from the tournament is completely unacceptable in my eyes. If they didn't like him they never should have let him play at all, but once you let a guy into your tournament, you can't just boot him after he insults you.
So basically, Idra insulted Orison and Orison chose to react like a prepubesent little girl and kick him out.
Is Idra BM? Yeah, probably. Is that reason to kick him out? Absolutely not. He won the games, and based on the SS that Idra posted its pretty obvious to me that Orison knew and acknowledged his win, but dismissed him and abused his power as an admin to get back at him for calling him "dumb".
-_- My good god. I mean all the offense in the world when I say, Orison, clean the sand from your vagina and have some respect for the rules of your own tournament. The damn thing will lose all legitimacy in my eyes if Idra isn't allowed to play. This is a joke, and everyone at GG knows it.
On December 30 2006 15:54 IdrA wrote: ya i was irritated and insulted leugim for no reason, i apologize for that, it is not a reason to ban me from the tournament.
On December 30 2006 16:15 Mickey wrote: My post or Idra's? I don't think I did anything moronic.
You basically said, Idra should be able to be banned from a tournament for calling someone dumb. That, is in fact, pretty moronic in my eyes. Your defending Orison's abuse of his power as a mod.
The problem here is that no one likes Idra, so no one gives a shit when he gets fucked over.
If this happened to Mondi we'de have half of Germany storming the gates as we speak.
On December 30 2006 16:15 Mickey wrote: My post or Idra's? I don't think I did anything moronic.
You basically said, Idra should be able to be banned from a tournament for calling someone dumb. That, is in fact, pretty moronic in my eyes. Your defending Orison's abuse of his power as a mod.
The problem here is that no one likes Idra, so no one gives a shit when he gets fucked over.
If this happened to Mondi we'de have half of Germany storming the gates as we speak.
i don't mind idra at all. he's let me obs his games as a random smurf a bunch of times and posts advice in the strategy forum. basically, it's quite stupid of a gg.net admin to kick someone out of a tourney due to his own personal bias.
On December 30 2006 16:15 Mickey wrote: My post or Idra's? I don't think I did anything moronic.
You basically said, Idra should be able to be banned from a tournament for calling someone dumb. That, is in fact, pretty moronic in my eyes. Your defending Orison's abuse of his power as a mod.
The problem here is that no one likes Idra, so no one gives a shit when he gets fucked over.
If this happened to Mondi we'de have half of Germany storming the gates as we speak.
No I didn't. I just showed that Idra admitted to being bad manner to his opponent for no apparent reason and then saying he shouldn't suffer any consequence. I didn't say anything specifically about what his punishment should be. Don't say thing you aren't sure of. EDIT: In my opinion if Idra in fact was Bad Manner to his opponent, other opponents before him and GosuGamers Staff; he got what he deserved if not then it's a problem with an admin that should be solved.
On December 30 2006 16:10 ManaBlue wrote: I guess I'll place my opinion because everyone else is.
Idra, you're a pretty hard guy to get along with. Pretty arrogant and demeaning toward others, and consistently at that. I base this on your posting here. Don't get me wrong, we all have our moments, myself included. Sometime these moments get us into trouble.
That having been said, banning Idra from the tournament is completely unacceptable in my eyes. If they didn't like him they never should have let him play at all, but once you let a guy into your tournament, you can't just boot him after he insults you.
So basically, Idra insulted Orison and Orison chose to react like a prepubesent little girl and kick him out.
Is Idra BM? Yeah, probably. Is that reason to kick him out? Absolutely not. He won the games, and based on the SS that Idra posted its pretty obvious to me that Orison knew and acknowledged his win, but dismissed him and abused his power as an admin to get back at him for calling him "dumb".
-_- My good god. I mean all the offense in the world when I say, Orison, clean the sand from your vagina and have some respect for the rules of your own tournament. The damn thing will lose all legitimacy in my eyes if Idra isn't allowed to play. This is a joke, and everyone at GG knows it. <hr>
On December 30 2006 15:54 IdrA wrote: ya i was irritated and insulted leugim for no reason, i apologize for that, it is not a reason to ban me from the tournament.
That really didn't make sense to me.
Are friggin' moronic.
Well put. I completely agree. However, I would like to add that if he were to fix his bm, this probably wouldn't have happened in the first place.
On December 30 2006 16:15 Mickey wrote: My post or Idra's? I don't think I did anything moronic.
You basically said, Idra should be able to be banned from a tournament for calling someone dumb. That, is in fact, pretty moronic in my eyes. Your defending Orison's abuse of his power as a mod.
The problem here is that no one likes Idra, so no one gives a shit when he gets fucked over.
If this happened to Mondi we'de have half of Germany storming the gates as we speak.
No I didn't. I just showed that Idra admitted to being bad manner to his opponent for no apparent reason and then saying he shouldn't suffer any consequence. I didn't say anything specifically about what his punishment should be. Don't say thing you aren't sure of.
Ok, pardon me. I just really grinds my gears when people put "manner" up on a pedestal and pretend it's the be all and end all. Most of my favourite BW players are the so called "bm guys", like most of my favourite MMA fighters are the loud mouths like Tito Ortiz.
I don't mind when they get shit on by people for being assholes...that's funny. But to start screwing with tournament results and stuff infuriates me.
Don't take it personally man. A lot of people expressed the same sentiment as you, there was no reason for me to single you out.
On December 30 2006 16:23 SainT wrote: Guess we hace two problems here, Idra's BM , and kicking him without a good reason
Idra's bm is a side issue that should not have resulted in a kick.
Idra shouldn't have been able to entered in the first place or atleast been given a real warning before the ban. You don't ban someone after they won their games in the semi's.
davidgurt, you're completely right. That's the difficulty of this situation. This would never happen to a guy like mondi, but it would take a player like him for people to care.
Simply. Idra has some problems with making relationships. Arrogant wannabe who has some skills (that is not making him nearly gosu at all). Not a miracle if people dont really like you.
What comes to GG.net admins and their decision in this case, i think it was wrong. Why ? Because he won his games. Also if GG-admins going to ban players from tournaments for being bm in future, they have to define term "bm" quite well. Idra is jerk but was bmness that bad ;o ?
Idra, you could of said "I'm playing my tourney match atm, go away" so admins would understood you better? Go live life and have relationships.. learn something about social life ;F.
k finished all the replays. idra owned his opponent and should be allowed to move on.
but he really is a piece of shit. did you read all the conversations? bmed his opponent (who was obviously trying sooo fucking hard), who afterwards still insists that idra still move on, and that there were 'no problems with the games.' and of course idra grabs at and hides behind this testimony.
jesus. mad props to only.leugim (any akas?) for being an amazing person. idra i wish you luck in this matter but remember who you step on =(
Eh, it's one thing to insult a player, but I don't think Tito Ortiz would insult a staff of the UFC or a referee for no reason. And if he does then he's no short of being a scumbag. As far as Idra's ban is concerned, GG Admin felt what he did calls for a ban from the tournament. Hate all you want the admin, i'm not going to judge whether he did is right or wrong though considering if I was in his position donating my time and effort to run this thing and some guy starts to insult me when I'm just doing my job, I don't know how I'd react. I don't think the decision should be changed or GG is at fault over this.
[Edit] There's no excuse insulting someone for no reason who's just doing his job, fuck Idra.
why are you using mondi as an example? he's mannered as far as anyone knows.
Let's say testie was acting like a prick. Good player, total shithead, the opinions would not be different. Mondi probably wouldn't do this, so it's moot to use his name in some argument against idra getting his own ass kicked out of a tournament.
These people go out of their way to organize a tournament (which is no small feat even online, it's annoying getting people together) and they have to suffer some faggots insults as well? No + fuck yourself thx
On December 30 2006 16:33 intrigue wrote: k finished all the replays. idra owned his opponent and should be allowed to move on.
but he really is a piece of shit. did you read all the conversations? bmed his opponent (who was obviously trying sooo fucking hard), who afterwards still insists that idra still move on, and that there were 'no problems with the games.' and of course idra grabs at and hides behind this testimony.
jesus. mad props to only.leugim (any akas?) for being an amazing person. idra i wish you luck in this matter but remember who you step on =(
different person. mushioov was my 2nd or 3rd round opponent who was responding(and disproving) to orison's claim that my previous opponents complained about me. leugim logged off after the games.
On December 30 2006 16:37 CultureMisfits wrote: all the bad things that happen to idra is his fault alone. Its all due to his poor communication skills. get out more
ok i got some insight from the other peoples thoughts.
since i don't know Idra that well as most of you obviously do, i think i am one of the most objective persons here. (omg it's hard not to make that sound arrogant, sorry)
we mostly agree that it was by no means fair nor necessary to kick him out of the tournament. then someone should do something about it.
we could talk on here forever, but that won't change anything. whether he deserved it or not doesn't matter. he should apologize towards his opponent, who stayed more mannered than you could ever expect. and then the final should be replayed.
I think Idra has a point about how the admin could have easily used the command /where to find leugum or whatever his name is. Even so, I'm not sure being BM to an admin is even enough to be disqualified from a tournament. I also understand the annoyance of being whispered while playing a game, especially when the admin could have avoided it in the first place. Responding to someone not on your friends list is time consuming and distracting, and we know a few seconds is precious in this game.
If you disagree with my justification for Idra's BM, then I have to go back to the point I made about whether being BM is enough to get disqualified. If you think BM is enough to be disqualified from a tournament, there is nothing else I can say.
On December 30 2006 16:37 CultureMisfits wrote: all the bad things that happen to idra is his fault alone. Its all due to his poor communication skills. get out more
1. Idra is bm we all know this. The BW community generally allows bm, the question is should it? 'bm' actions like this are not put up with in the real world and there are consequences for them should this not be true for bw as well?
2. Idra did not have to pay anything to get into the tournment so he does not really have much to complain about in my opinion.
3. This could have easily been avoided by Idra simply answering the admin with some respect.
While I admit this probably wasn't the greatest reason to kick him from the tournment I think we can all agree it is much nicer to play when everyone is mannered.
On December 30 2006 16:37 CultureMisfits wrote: all the bad things that happen to idra is his fault alone. Its all due to his poor communication skills. get out more
Yes Best Poster ?
I'm such a good poster i don't even have to type anything
On December 30 2006 16:48 bburn wrote: 1. Idra is bm we all know this. The BW community generally allows bm, the question is should it? 'bm' actions like this are not put up with in the real world and there are consequences for them should this not be true for bw as well?
2. Idra did not have to pay anything to get into the tournment so he does not really have much to complain about in my opinion.
3. This could have easily been avoided by Idra simply answering the admin with some respect.
While I admit this probably wasn't the greatest reason to kick him from the tournment I think we can all agree it is much nicer to play when everyone is mannered.
I'm unable to download some reps if someone could take some pics of the fist Discussion plz
Ok first of all when an opponent is very rude why should the competition have to suffer through it? Just tell the guy he can't compete. Secondly, insulting the referees is almost ALWAYS punished in any other sport, and SC is no exception; if you're a rude to or insult the referee you deserve to be removed from the game. Add to that having everyone in the tournament hate you, as well as documented lack of basic courtesy within the very evidence you try to save yourself with, and you have someone who should not have a chance at $50 that was submitted for a friendly, nice tournament.
On December 30 2006 16:59 DarK]N[exuS wrote: Ok first of all when an opponent is a complete douchebag why should the competition have to suffer through it? Just tell the guy he can't compete. Secondly, insulting the referees is almost ALWAYS punished in any other sport, and SC is no exception; if you're a complete asshole to the referee you deserve to be removed from the game. Add to that having everyone in the tournament hate you, as well as documented douchebaggery within the very evidence you try to save yourself with, and you have someone who should not have a chance at $50 that was submitted for a friendly, nice tournament.
I thought about this too. Insulting an admin for a tournament can be thought of as being equivalent to insulting a referee during a game, which does warrant disciplinary action. However, even with this taken into account along with my experience with IdrA's bm directed towards me, I would have to say that there needs to be some sort of agreement made with Osiris (perhaps an apology on both sides would be appropriate, or something to that nature?)
On December 30 2006 16:48 bburn wrote: 1. Idra is bm we all know this. The BW community generally allows bm, the question is should it? 'bm' actions like this are not put up with in the real world and there are consequences for them should this not be true for bw as well?
2. Idra did not have to pay anything to get into the tournment so he does not really have much to complain about in my opinion.
3. This could have easily been avoided by Idra simply answering the admin with some respect.
While I admit this probably wasn't the greatest reason to kick him from the tournment I think we can all agree it is much nicer to play when everyone is mannered.
I'll respond to these point by point.
1. Neither impaling women on spikes, shooting up tanks or launching nukes are allowed in real life. Don't try and apply real life standards to a fucking computer game. I highly doubt that any of these "e-thugs" have as much of an ego IRL as they do on bnet.
2. Time is money. Also, there is a 50 dollar prize awarded to the winner which is a fair sum of money for a small tournament like this one. I'd be pissed if I were someone like Idra with a good chance of winning the tournament.
3. This could have been easily avoided if the admin had any knowledge of how to run a fair tourney and ignore his personal feelings towards a player.
"While I admit this probably wasn't the greatest reason to kick him from the tournment I think we can all agree it is much nicer to play when everyone is mannered."
If all the raindrops were lemondrops and gumdrops oh, what a rain that would be! Wishful thinking, bud. BUT Teh InTErNeTz is Seriouszs business!
On December 30 2006 16:59 DarK]N[exuS wrote: Ok first of all when an opponent is a complete douchebag why should the competition have to suffer through it? Just tell the guy he can't compete. Secondly, insulting the referees is almost ALWAYS punished in any other sport, and SC is no exception; if you're a complete asshole to the referee you deserve to be removed from the game. Add to that having everyone in the tournament hate you, as well as documented douchebaggery within the very evidence you try to save yourself with, and you have someone who should not have a chance at $50 that was submitted for a friendly, nice tournament.
who gives a shit if he bmed, admins have no right to ban him after he won his games everyone is different on bw why should he ajust himself and change the way he has to please others ? do you honestly think if testie was in idras spot the outcome would have been the same ? you guys judge someone to fast
"the admin claims that i was not playing my match vs leugim (showing that he didnt check where leugim was or attempt to message him) and that since i ignored his requests to play my match i forfeited the tournament."
If this is true, then the admin didn't disqualify Idra for his bad manners. Idra was disqualified for supposedly not playing his match. This could be disproven by showing the replays. The end.
hm, what i don't understand is why some people defend this with "whatever he can be bm and shitz it's the internet", but then hang the admin when in the same "internet" he misbehavioured o_o
You already posted this on GG.net, and it is their tourny. Why do you post it here other than to find support to comfort yourself?
You won the games, congrats. You should be able to move on in this tournament. However, if I were organizing any other tournaments in the BW community, I would be sure not to invite you. You are an arrogant fag who thinks that bw skill = all. Your lack of manner is embarassing, and was only made worse by your opponents class in this situation.
Enjoy your 50 bucks, because you just traded another chunk of your already inferior image for it.
If the rules said BM could result in disqualification, it should be so.
Otherwise, it's not fair if BM caused idra to be kicked out. There's a reason there are rules. A lot of you have been speaking as if common sense should prevail here. But the rules are what should prevail. If the rules said BM is not allowed, idra should have been kicked out plain and simple.
Otherwise, (which I think is the case) maybe next time the rules can be changed.
On December 30 2006 16:59 DarK]N[exuS wrote: Ok first of all when an opponent is a complete douchebag why should the competition have to suffer through it? Just tell the guy he can't compete. Secondly, insulting the referees is almost ALWAYS punished in any other sport, and SC is no exception; if you're a complete asshole to the referee you deserve to be removed from the game. Add to that having everyone in the tournament hate you, as well as documented douchebaggery within the very evidence you try to save yourself with, and you have someone who should not have a chance at $50 that was submitted for a friendly, nice tournament.
Unfortunately, your analogy is flawed. In a team sport, if one person insults a ref, that person is punished (usually not by throwing him out of a game, but by a technical foul or something, which serves as a warning). The team isn't DQed for one person insulting a ref. However, if in a big boxing match (a 1v1 sport... actually make that a UFC MATCH!!!) a ref DQed a boxer because the boxer insulted him the ref would immediately lose his job and would never be allowed to participate in the sport ever again.
If you made a rule saying GM was required... it would a retarded rule and your tournament would suck.
Oh yeah, who else saw this post and said "awesome, some BW drama?" Something to get riled up about, something to feel righteously indignant about... oh what fun.
On December 30 2006 17:37 -_- wrote: Oh yeah, who else saw this post and said "awesome, some BW drama?" Something to get riled up about, something to feel righteously indignant about... oh what fun.
On December 30 2006 17:32 Manifesto7 wrote: You already posted this on GG.net, and it is their tourny. Why do you post it here other than to find support to comfort yourself?
You won the games, congrats. You should be able to move on in this tournament. However, if I were organizing any other tournaments in the BW community, I would be sure not to invite you. You are an arrogant fag who thinks that bw skill = all. Your lack of manner is embarassing, and was only made worse by your opponents class in this situation.
Enjoy your 50 bucks, because you just traded another chunk of your already inferior image for it.
i posted on gg.net after i posted here, this site gets more traffic and so suited my purpose better. i posted on gg.net as it was more likely to get gg.net admins attention, which was also necessary.
On December 30 2006 17:37 -_- wrote: Oh yeah, who else saw this post and said "awesome, some BW drama?" Something to get riled up about, something to feel righteously indignant about... oh what fun.
my thoughts EXACTLY. it's fun to watch people get mad at each other in these topics
On December 30 2006 16:02 DarK]N[exuS wrote: Sow what you reap Idra. Since I also think (and I know that many other people do as well) that you are one of the rudest "known" players, I don't think I even mind you getting fucked over due to your complete lack of maturity. You ALWAYS call other people "dumb, inferior," or "stupid." You ALWAYS act as if you are somehow intellectually superior when in reality you're some 16 year old brat who must be fucking spoiled rotten. You're turning into one of those players that when people hear they must play versus, they don't want to because it's such a bad experience. You remind me of that "black[light]" guy, only instead of being incoherent in your insults, you're hypocritical.
I wasn't gonna post in this thread until I read this. Dark]n[exus you have to understand the way you behave on this forum have pissed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more people off than anyone else who hasn't gotten banned yet. You're in no position to comment on other people's "manner" from your contact with them through TL. In fact although I never carry grudges from TL to Battlenet, if I ever see you on west I will be more than happy to ignore you, it's just the way you carry yourself. You think everyone else is arrogant and annoying while you piss the shit out of people. If you act this way on the internet God only knows what kind of a person you actually are. Cheers
hey, are these Nike's? STFU, that's a field goal attempt mofo!!!111
that would be so awesome
now that "-_-" brought it up, why do we all give a sh** if we all dislike IdrA? is it the urge to do "the right thing" or is it just for the purpose of "verbally beating the crap out of each other"?
On December 30 2006 17:32 Manifesto7 wrote: You already posted this on GG.net, and it is their tourny. Why do you post it here other than to find support to comfort yourself?
You won the games, congrats. You should be able to move on in this tournament. However, if I were organizing any other tournaments in the BW community, I would be sure not to invite you. You are an arrogant fag who thinks that bw skill = all. Your lack of manner is embarassing, and was only made worse by your opponents class in this situation.
Enjoy your 50 bucks, because you just traded another chunk of your already inferior image for it.
I wonder whether gg.net would have let him play in the first place if they knew who the smurf was. The fragbet league he cheated in was connected with gg.net, so he should probably be disqualified from this tournament simply for that reason.
On December 30 2006 17:32 Manifesto7 wrote: You already posted this on GG.net, and it is their tourny. Why do you post it here other than to find support to comfort yourself?
You won the games, congrats. You should be able to move on in this tournament. However, if I were organizing any other tournaments in the BW community, I would be sure not to invite you. You are an arrogant fag who thinks that bw skill = all. Your lack of manner is embarassing, and was only made worse by your opponents class in this situation.
Enjoy your 50 bucks, because you just traded another chunk of your already inferior image for it.
He got $50? I thought he didn't get to advance, and didn't win any money?
On December 30 2006 17:32 Manifesto7 wrote: You already posted this on GG.net, and it is their tourny. Why do you post it here other than to find support to comfort yourself?
You won the games, congrats. You should be able to move on in this tournament. However, if I were organizing any other tournaments in the BW community, I would be sure not to invite you. You are an arrogant fag who thinks that bw skill = all. Your lack of manner is embarassing, and was only made worse by your opponents class in this situation.
Enjoy your 50 bucks, because you just traded another chunk of your already inferior image for it.
I wonder whether gg.net would have let him play in the first place if they knew who the smurf was. The fragbet league he cheated in was connected with gg.net, so he should probably be disqualified from this tournament simply for that reason.
i have played multiple gg.net tournies since then on my own name including placing high in a few of them(they were aware of me), they did not have a problem with me playing their tournaments.
On December 30 2006 17:32 Manifesto7 wrote: You already posted this on GG.net, and it is their tourny. Why do you post it here other than to find support to comfort yourself?
You won the games, congrats. You should be able to move on in this tournament. However, if I were organizing any other tournaments in the BW community, I would be sure not to invite you. You are an arrogant fag who thinks that bw skill = all. Your lack of manner is embarassing, and was only made worse by your opponents class in this situation.
Enjoy your 50 bucks, because you just traded another chunk of your already inferior image for it.
I wonder whether gg.net would have let him play in the first place if they knew who the smurf was. The fragbet league he cheated in was connected with gg.net, so he should probably be disqualified from this tournament simply for that reason.
On December 30 2006 17:32 Manifesto7 wrote: You already posted this on GG.net, and it is their tourny. Why do you post it here other than to find support to comfort yourself?
You won the games, congrats. You should be able to move on in this tournament. However, if I were organizing any other tournaments in the BW community, I would be sure not to invite you. You are an arrogant fag who thinks that bw skill = all. Your lack of manner is embarassing, and was only made worse by your opponents class in this situation.
Enjoy your 50 bucks, because you just traded another chunk of your already inferior image for it.
I wonder whether gg.net would have let him play in the first place if they knew who the smurf was. The fragbet league he cheated in was connected with gg.net, so he should probably be disqualified from this tournament simply for that reason.
I feel this is a grey ethical zone because although the prize money there should go to the victor, Idra was a gigantic douche bag. Seriously, if it was me fronting the money for that tournament for GG.net and I heard what happened, I probably wouldn't write a check, especially if I had a lot of sympathy for the work they are doing and even a little involved in their staff. Just the thought of somebody treating our staff like this in one of our tournaments disgusts me, so I can see why they'd be pissed too.
But if it was a sponsor fronting most of the prize money, there'd be excuse... but I feel Idra should take some reponsibilty for this as well. I mean the admin did ask "vs who?" and a short simple reply with the name of the opponent would work, but instead, he takes the time to write out the longer message of "im playing go away". Sure, things may be settled later, but I honestly don't feel any sympathy for him. Players get thrown out of the game all the time in soccer, and their teams will usually always end up losing because of that. And I'm not sure, but in an individual sport like tennis, if a player constantly swears and gives the ref the middle finger, I'm pretty sure they have the power for some diciplinary action. But those are huge corporate and international tournaments... this is a tiny one with money probably front from one person, not for advertisement purposes, but out of good will. In that case, it makes more sense to have some common fucking courtesy.
In fact, I don't care what the "just" thing is. I don't care what is "right" based on the law. You're a gigantic tool and I hope you get the worst of it here just in general principle. If it takes you $50 to change your character, then I feel it is a worthy investment. But too bad it takes more than $50 to change all you douche bags in this society or this wouldn't be a problem.
Someone being that much of a fucking asshole in your non-commercial tournament should be banned regardless of results. Idra you are a fucking moron how about you learn a thing or two about how not to be a jackass. If I would be hosting a tournament and kindly messaging one of the players who he is playing to know whether they're still in, and he sends me go away or whatever it was, no doubt I would remove him.
Hosting tournaments is really hard, the last thing you need is to be told to go away when you're trying to project the progress of the tournament.
On December 30 2006 16:59 DarK]N[exuS wrote: Ok first of all when an opponent is a complete douchebag why should the competition have to suffer through it? Just tell the guy he can't compete. Secondly, insulting the referees is almost ALWAYS punished in any other sport, and SC is no exception; if you're a complete asshole to the referee you deserve to be removed from the game. Add to that having everyone in the tournament hate you, as well as documented douchebaggery within the very evidence you try to save yourself with, and you have someone who should not have a chance at $50 that was submitted for a friendly, nice tournament.
Unfortunately, your analogy is flawed. In a team sport, if one person insults a ref, that person is punished (usually not by throwing him out of a game, but by a technical foul or something, which serves as a warning). The team isn't DQed for one person insulting a ref. However, if in a big boxing match (a 1v1 sport... actually make that a UFC MATCH!!!) a ref DQed a boxer because the boxer insulted him the ref would immediately lose his job and would never be allowed to participate in the sport ever again.
If you made a rule saying GM was required... it would a retarded rule and your tournament would suck.
Idra, you got screwed.
Well if you're going to try to play stupid complicated games here, then your explanation of why my analogy is flawed is flawed. We're not talking about disqualifying a team for an individuals inadequacies. We're talking about disqualifying an individual, which is what happened. No shit, of course an entire team doesn't get disqualified from one member being rude. This isn't a team we're talking about.
And yes, of course, requiring politeness would make a tournament suck. In fact, let's make a requirement that everyone be as rude as fucking possible, you cocksmoking asslicking faggot. How's that? Having courtesy is a boon, not something that would make a tournament bad.
On December 30 2006 16:02 DarK]N[exuS wrote: Sow what you reap Idra. Since I also think (and I know that many other people do as well) that you are one of the rudest "known" players, I don't think I even mind you getting fucked over due to your complete lack of maturity. You ALWAYS call other people "dumb, inferior," or "stupid." You ALWAYS act as if you are somehow intellectually superior when in reality you're some 16 year old brat who must be fucking spoiled rotten. You're turning into one of those players that when people hear they must play versus, they don't want to because it's such a bad experience. You remind me of that "black[light]" guy, only instead of being incoherent in your insults, you're hypocritical.
I wasn't gonna post in this thread until I read this. Dark]n[exus you have to understand the way you behave on this forum have pissed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more people off than anyone else who hasn't gotten banned yet. You're in no position to comment on other people's "manner" from your contact with them through TL. In fact although I never carry grudges from TL to Battlenet, if I ever see you on west I will be more than happy to ignore you, it's just the way you carry yourself. You think everyone else is arrogant and annoying while you piss the shit out of people. If you act this way on the internet God only knows what kind of a person you actually are. Cheers
As for you Zulu, I don't give a rat's ass what you have to say. If I listened to everyone who hated me on the internet I'd probably be stuck in a mental institution. You're an idiot and thus I don't take what you have to say seriously. If you think that insulting my person in real life is going to get you anywhere, you're wrong; one needs only look at Zia to see that online persona and actual life are 100% different. Anonymity changes things. Additionally, I'm only rude to 3-4 people on TL.net, and you're in that group simply because you annoy me so much and I have bad self-control. Don't try to act like the bigger man here; I witnessed you arguing with someone for something like 2 hours a few days ago in tl-west.
As for Idra's cheating in fragbet league, I believe that was when Assem played under Idra's name and then was caught?
asked nicely? he asked if i was forfeiting the tournament. he assumed i was not in my semi final match, meaning he had no clue where the other player was and made absolutely no effort to find out what was going on without disturbing me while i was playing. it was in the semi finals, there were 4 people still involved. he was not under any kind of stress, there wasnt even any pressure to make sure i was in my match. obviously leugim wasnt asking him to get me (since leugim was already in game with me), and later on (shown in ss) he says i was not in game with leugim when he asked me. hes pulling all this out of his ass since leugim wasnt complaining and no one else had a reason to. he does not have a right to demand information from a person while theyre in game, especially when he has no immediate need for the information, especially when its information that could just as easily been gotten another way.
the guy who said refs dont interrupt the players while playing is correct, the sports metaphor falls through because even if you get penalized or thrown out for being disrespectful the ref doesnt come up to you and start demanding answers while you're still playing.
On December 30 2006 17:32 Manifesto7 wrote: You already posted this on GG.net, and it is their tourny. Why do you post it here other than to find support to comfort yourself?
You won the games, congrats. You should be able to move on in this tournament. However, if I were organizing any other tournaments in the BW community, I would be sure not to invite you. You are an arrogant fag who thinks that bw skill = all. Your lack of manner is embarassing, and was only made worse by your opponents class in this situation.
Enjoy your 50 bucks, because you just traded another chunk of your already inferior image for it.
On December 30 2006 17:58 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Someone being that much of a fucking asshole in your non-commercial tournament should be banned regardless of results. Idra you are a fucking moron how about you learn a thing or two about how not to be a jackass. If I would be hosting a tournament and kindly messaging one of the players who he is playing to know whether they're still in, and he sends me go away or whatever it was, no doubt I would remove him.
Hosting tournaments is really hard, the last thing you need is to be told to go away when you're trying to project the progress of the tournament.
wether idra gets his money or not, i hope hes learned a lesson, and has seen what the community thinks about him, maby this will change him, for the good =], he mst of read all these post, and been like awwww =[
i've never had a problem with idra, but i havnt talked to him much either
gl all =]
i didnt get to watch the reps, but idras opponent sounds like an awsome guy, for taking the bm, and still reccomending idra advance or w.e
On December 30 2006 16:59 DarK]N[exuS wrote: Ok first of all when an opponent is a complete douchebag why should the competition have to suffer through it? Just tell the guy he can't compete. Secondly, insulting the referees is almost ALWAYS punished in any other sport, and SC is no exception; if you're a complete asshole to the referee you deserve to be removed from the game. Add to that having everyone in the tournament hate you, as well as documented douchebaggery within the very evidence you try to save yourself with, and you have someone who should not have a chance at $50 that was submitted for a friendly, nice tournament.
Unfortunately, your analogy is flawed. In a team sport, if one person insults a ref, that person is punished (usually not by throwing him out of a game, but by a technical foul or something, which serves as a warning). The team isn't DQed for one person insulting a ref. However, if in a big boxing match (a 1v1 sport... actually make that a UFC MATCH!!!) a ref DQed a boxer because the boxer insulted him the ref would immediately lose his job and would never be allowed to participate in the sport ever again.
If you made a rule saying GM was required... it would a retarded rule and your tournament would suck.
Idra, you got screwed.
Well if you're going to try to play stupid complicated games here, then your explanation of why my analogy is flawed is flawed. We're not talking about disqualifying a team for an individuals inadequacies. We're talking about disqualifying an individual, which is what happened. No shit, of course an entire team doesn't get disqualified from one member being rude. This isn't a team we're talking about.
And yes, of course, requiring politeness would make a tournament suck. In fact, let's make a requirement that everyone be as rude as fucking possible, you cocksmoking asslicking faggot. How's that? Having courtesy is a boon, not something that would make a tournament bad.
On December 30 2006 16:02 DarK]N[exuS wrote: Sow what you reap Idra. Since I also think (and I know that many other people do as well) that you are one of the rudest "known" players, I don't think I even mind you getting fucked over due to your complete lack of maturity. You ALWAYS call other people "dumb, inferior," or "stupid." You ALWAYS act as if you are somehow intellectually superior when in reality you're some 16 year old brat who must be fucking spoiled rotten. You're turning into one of those players that when people hear they must play versus, they don't want to because it's such a bad experience. You remind me of that "black[light]" guy, only instead of being incoherent in your insults, you're hypocritical.
I wasn't gonna post in this thread until I read this. Dark]n[exus you have to understand the way you behave on this forum have pissed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more people off than anyone else who hasn't gotten banned yet. You're in no position to comment on other people's "manner" from your contact with them through TL. In fact although I never carry grudges from TL to Battlenet, if I ever see you on west I will be more than happy to ignore you, it's just the way you carry yourself. You think everyone else is arrogant and annoying while you piss the shit out of people. If you act this way on the internet God only knows what kind of a person you actually are. Cheers
As for you Zulu, I don't give a rat's ass what you have to say. If I listened to everyone who hated me on the internet I'd probably be stuck in a mental institution. You're an idiot and thus I don't take what you have to say seriously. If you think that insulting my person in real life is going to get you anywhere, you're wrong; one needs only look at Zia to see that online persona and actual life are 100% different. Anonymity changes things. Additionally, I'm only rude to 3-4 people on TL.net, and you're in that group simply because you annoy me so much and I have bad self-control. Don't try to act like the bigger man here; I witnessed you arguing with someone for something like 2 hours a few days ago in tl-west.
As for Idra's cheating in fragbet league, I believe that was when Assem played under Idra's name and then was caught? Which resulted in Idra calling 90% of gg.net morons in the forums and insisting he didn't cheat until there was simply too much evidence, at which point he disappeared for a little while before coming back and hoping everyone would love him.
im aware i am not liked but i dont see how anyone who reads what the admin says in the ss' can support him. he is blatantly making shit up, he says i was not in game with leugim when he first messaged me, there is no reason at all to say that or even believe that. when i tell him i have proof i was he refuses to see it and says he doesnt care. he claims i was bm through the whole tournament when my previous opponent(not leugim) was sitting there saying nothing went wrong in our match. hell he fucking messages me 'YOU'RE OUT' in the middle of the 2nd game. the entire time he has done and known absolutely nothing about leugim.
please close it, let IdrA complain all he wants, but let him do so where it's useful, at GG.net.
you're no bloody mod, please dont try to act like one ;; (tl pet peeves)
btw Idra, you acted very harshly on everybody, and you expect people treat you nicely? cmon have comon sense. Even if you shouldnt have been removed from tournament, you do deserve a penalty, like for example, forefiting one of the games which would turn the 2-1 in favor of leugim, so i think you have nothing to do with your removal, im sorry.
I liked very much what Mani and Nazgul said, thats very true. And you should learnt that skill > all is not, as some manner do help. BM fags like you dont deserve to get invited into tournaments, i wonder if thats why you were using a smurf...
for the last thing, its a shame on GG admin attitude as well, he should have stayed professional and consult other referees, but meh, whats done its done.
not an invite tourny, ive played on IdrA in gg.net tournies before, and i do not expect to be treated nicely. not liking being banned because i didnt respond nicely to being annoyed in the middle of a match by the person running the thing is far beyond expecting niceness.
i laugh at the people who argue bm isn't allowed in real life/sporting events. i mean didn't everyone watch that mike tyson interviews? *whiny voice* i'm going to bit your carriers testicals out and spit them in your face. lol sports are just as much about the mental game as physical.
haha idra, are you seriously talking about people " cheating " ? i wonder what people say about you if i create a topic about what you've done to me on our americup matches
The argument that Idra is allowed to do what he wants isn't much of a defense.
If he's allowed to go around insulting people and acting like an internet toughguy, why isn't the tourney leader allowed to kick him out? Why stop at only participants being allowed the right of high faggotry?
On December 30 2006 16:59 DarK]N[exuS wrote: Ok first of all when an opponent is a complete douchebag why should the competition have to suffer through it? Just tell the guy he can't compete. Secondly, insulting the referees is almost ALWAYS punished in any other sport, and SC is no exception; if you're a complete asshole to the referee you deserve to be removed from the game. Add to that having everyone in the tournament hate you, as well as documented douchebaggery within the very evidence you try to save yourself with, and you have someone who should not have a chance at $50 that was submitted for a friendly, nice tournament.
Unfortunately, your analogy is flawed. In a team sport, if one person insults a ref, that person is punished (usually not by throwing him out of a game, but by a technical foul or something, which serves as a warning). The team isn't DQed for one person insulting a ref. However, if in a big boxing match (a 1v1 sport... actually make that a UFC MATCH!!!) a ref DQed a boxer because the boxer insulted him the ref would immediately lose his job and would never be allowed to participate in the sport ever again.
If you made a rule saying GM was required... it would a retarded rule and your tournament would suck.
Idra, you got screwed.
Well if you're going to try to play stupid complicated games here, then your explanation of why my analogy is flawed is flawed. We're not talking about disqualifying a team for an individuals inadequacies. We're talking about disqualifying an individual, which is what happened. No shit, of course an entire team doesn't get disqualified from one member being rude. This isn't a team we're talking about.
And yes, of course, requiring politeness would make a tournament suck. In fact, let's make a requirement that everyone be as rude as fucking possible, you cocksmoking asslicking faggot. How's that? Having courtesy is a boon, not something that would make a tournament bad.
On December 30 2006 16:02 DarK]N[exuS wrote: Sow what you reap Idra. Since I also think (and I know that many other people do as well) that you are one of the rudest "known" players, I don't think I even mind you getting fucked over due to your complete lack of maturity. You ALWAYS call other people "dumb, inferior," or "stupid." You ALWAYS act as if you are somehow intellectually superior when in reality you're some 16 year old brat who must be fucking spoiled rotten. You're turning into one of those players that when people hear they must play versus, they don't want to because it's such a bad experience. You remind me of that "black[light]" guy, only instead of being incoherent in your insults, you're hypocritical.
I wasn't gonna post in this thread until I read this. Dark]n[exus you have to understand the way you behave on this forum have pissed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more people off than anyone else who hasn't gotten banned yet. You're in no position to comment on other people's "manner" from your contact with them through TL. In fact although I never carry grudges from TL to Battlenet, if I ever see you on west I will be more than happy to ignore you, it's just the way you carry yourself. You think everyone else is arrogant and annoying while you piss the shit out of people. If you act this way on the internet God only knows what kind of a person you actually are. Cheers
As for you Zulu, I don't give a rat's ass what you have to say. If I listened to everyone who hated me on the internet I'd probably be stuck in a mental institution. You're an idiot and thus I don't take what you have to say seriously. If you think that insulting my person in real life is going to get you anywhere, you're wrong; one needs only look at Zia to see that online persona and actual life are 100% different. Anonymity changes things. Additionally, I'm only rude to 3-4 people on TL.net, and you're in that group simply because you annoy me so much and I have bad self-control. Don't try to act like the bigger man here; I witnessed you arguing with someone for something like 2 hours a few days ago in tl-west.
As for Idra's cheating in fragbet league, I believe that was when Assem played under Idra's name and then was caught?
I'm not playing stupid, complicated games with you, and I'm not wrong. My point is that messing with refs in a team game might get the player DQed, but the team plays on. And the team is the one playing the game, not the player. In 1v1 stuff, the players have more latitude, because if someone is DQed the game/fight/etc is over, while with teams the games go on.
But I don't really want to argue about it. I think a BW players has the right to be as BM as he wants in a tourney as long as he doesn't spam a channel or hack the tourney or something of that sort. And you don't. And that's cool with me.
On December 30 2006 18:53 IdrA wrote: you made a map that had already been used, that was not allowed. you won anyway.
haha why wont you ask the admin who host the tournament? well anyway, stop complaining, its useless?
i did ask, and thats when i found out it wasnt allowed. its not useless, the majority of the posts in the gg.net thread agreed that the decision is wrong , as did those not obscured by the fact that they hate me on here.
no, i didnt. you won on nostalgia i won on luna you made luna again i asked the admins they said you werent allowed to play same map twice, you made requiem pvted and won.
and no admin would believe that we played a fun game in the middle of a tournament match so that is just stupid. and i never got the prize i won for that tournament either so you can take solice in that.
first I have to say you (idra) are right. You shouldn't be banned because of "BM"
but next time don't be BM to a guy thats wasting his time at a BW tournament where he doesn't get a single cent.. Yeh, are you mad? Probably hes laughting at you.. And know what? theres NOTHING you can do..
If you don't like it, find a lawyer. Other than that, LEARN WITH IT.
apparently they made their decision as i was banned from gg.net, its nice they'll at least stand behind their decision without just trying to make the problem go away. oh wait.
this thread's useless now so you can close it or use it to keep talking about how much of a fag i am or whatever.
I dont know idra and I still feel like its his own fault for being banned, But in this thread he's been very gm and I think some of the people are taking free shots at him..
On December 30 2006 20:32 mK.)) wrote: I dont know idra and I still feel like its his own fault for being banned, But in this thread he's been very gm and I think some of the people are taking free shots at him..
Looks can be deceiving. Did you watch the replays?
On December 30 2006 20:32 mK.)) wrote: I dont know idra and I still feel like its his own fault for being banned, But in this thread he's been very gm and I think some of the people are taking free shots at him..
of course hes being gm because he wants what he wants
Yes and I thought he was VERY bm, like I said it's his own fault and if I was in charge I would of banned him as well.. but in this thread he hasnt said shit to anyone..
EDIT.. So he has been being nice because he wants to get back in tourney?.. k I can get with that.
Opinions of Idra as irrelevnant as has been pointed out. If this were a "legitimate" tournament with sponsors etc, then it would be a feasible argument that bm should or should not be a cause for disqualification. However, given that this is/was a tournamnet organized by some guys with some time on their hands they certainly retain the right to do what ever the fuck they want imho. Certainly theres a standard of ethics that you'd hope they'd strive to achieve, but if a mod at gg.net holds a no "bullshit" policy then theres not much that you can do.
gg.net is not obliged to treat you fairly....hell they could go spend that 50$ on beer and hookers (really cheap ones)
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