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zeo
Serbia6286 Posts
Браво, Одеса. Перлина українського Духу. Батьківщина великих націоналістів Івана та Юрія Лип. Нехай горять чорти у пеклі. Найкращі повстанці це футбольні фани. Браво. English (google translate): Bravo, Odessa. Pearl Ukrainian Spirit. Birthplace of the great nationalist Ivan and Yuri July. Let the devils burn in hell. Top rebels is football fans. Bravo. https://www.facebook.com/IrynaFarion/posts/779547015391702?fref=nf edit: apparently she is a People's Deputy in the Verkhovna Rada | ||
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
On May 04 2014 06:11 zeo wrote: This is what Iryna Farion, a member of the current verhovna rada in Kiev had to say last night after she found out about the deaths of 38 people: English (google translate): https://www.facebook.com/IrynaFarion/posts/779547015391702?fref=nf Well obviously she is a nationalist idiot, what else would you expect from an idiot? | ||
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sgtnoobkilla
Australia249 Posts
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
On May 04 2014 06:11 zeo wrote: edit: apparently she is a People's Deputy in the Verkhovna Rada Aren't all members of Verkhovna Rada called that way? | ||
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zeo
Serbia6286 Posts
On May 04 2014 06:44 Roman666 wrote: Aren't all members of Verkhovna Rada called that way? Ah, misunderstanding. I said she was a member of Verkhovna Rada but wasn't sure exactly what position she held, so I added in the edit. Unimaginable how an elected official can express delight at the deaths of their own citizens | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On May 04 2014 05:34 sgtnoobkilla wrote: Correction: BMPs, not BMDs; they definitely have them stored in the cargo compartment. Also IFF interrogators aren't integrated by default into the launchers, nor do they stop you from locking and firing. As for the giving up thing...well they didn't exactly have much of a choice considering it was a foolish order to begin with. Shouldn't have gone in there in the first place when they knew what was going to happen. + Show Spoiler + In spoilers, since it's a bit offtopic BMP or BMD, doesn't matter. They don't have launchers in their cargo compartment, at least not those which were captured. If you read your link carefully, it says it right there. [..] BMP IFVs carry the SA-7/14/16/18 and AGS-17 weapon systems in the BMP-equipped MRB's air defense platoons [..] You would not dispatch your air-defense platoons to deal with seperatists. Also, if they had IGLAs in the cargo, kiev would've done everything to make that public and use it for "propaganda". Yet, they need to speculate. If i missed something, please tell me. edit: not to mention, i've never heard of an APC (i was gunner in a german one decades ago) that comes stock with AA launchers for all troops. Not even americans (M2 Bradley and M2 Bradley Linebacker as AA etc). | ||
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Mc
332 Posts
And pro-Ukrainian protestors organizing a rescue of pro-Russians from burning union building in Odessa: http://bambuser.com/v/4585457 Video proof is quite clear, human nature at its' worst and best. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
here's a better view of the situation: he's standing right behind the police, who are being peppered by stones and molotov cocktails. not sure if he is firing live rounds, as i doubt the police would sit behind their shields as 2 ppl are using them as cover to fire lethal weaps at protestors, haven't seen any pics of people with gunshot wounds / similar or reports of casualties from this either, but that might change. ![[image loading]](http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/napaki/12851221/125621/125621_original.jpg) | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
 On May 04 2014 01:42 m4ini wrote: Just out of interest, since there wasn't much coverage in here about that.. How exactly did they shoot down two Mi24s? JudicatorHabibi (or smth) might help me out there, but i have my doubts about a Hind being shot down by assault rifles. SBU says "portable missile launchers" were used to down them, and while i wouldn't take their word on something, if you consider the fact that a Hind is near impossible to get down with assault rifles, well. Any thoughts on that? Lol who is Habibi? It's Hammurabi. He was an ancient king. Not some silly extremely overused arab word. I made this username while very drunk and reading about Babylonian history. I don't use it or anything like it anywhere else. Anyways, shooting down Hinds with assault rifles? What is this, Call of Duty? :D lol Of course it was infantry-fired anti-air missiles, ie. MANPADS. MANPADS were apparently found, with images. Rockets were seen to be fired. But, they look like old stuff they probably found in some armory of some kind, so whatever. Now there's the conspiracy theory that they HAD to have gotten these from Russia, because MANPADS obviously do not exist ANYWHERE in Ukraine. Because when revolutionaries practically take over 2 of the more developed/industrialized provinces in a country and among the most militarized areas, I'd like to think that there's some opportunity they'd found some MANPADs some place or another. This is 10000x more likely than the belief that Russia is giving them weapons (which, to date, has not been the case, as the insurgents have been doing nothing but complaining how every plea to Russia for money/weapons/intervention is practically ignored. But the sudden parroting of John Kerry's conspiracy theory from a couple weeks back that Russia is directly backing these guys and that these guys are actually active-duty Russian soldiers is completely not in line with the current events, and it's almost distressing to see it still come up in this thread. On May 04 2014 01:42 ForTehDarkseid wrote: You call me a troll and you don't even know what the civil war is all about? Propaganda or not, financial and military support or not, it's citizens of the same country fighting with each other. You don't even get the message, no sane person thinks that Russia, by some kind of rigged logic, isn't directly guilty of escalating the hot situation. Such conflicts shouldn't be about claiming who's the major villain, it should be about saving as much lives as possible. And my posts is about telling you how hypocritical and untrue to democratic values the people who you support wholeheartedly are acting. Do not worry. He's probably trolling. The fact that he's claiming myths (these guys are being armed by Russia and that these guys are Russian soldiers, the latter being especially ridiculous) that even John Kerry is by now embarrassed to directly state is not exactly writing something with a straight face. All we hear is how these insurgents bitch and whine about how Russia doesn't help them, doesn't give them any money or arms. We have no proof of Russia giving direct support to these guys, and certainly no proof of Russian soldiers. I think if either of these were remotely true, the situation would be radically different. Right now, everything is about as expected as it is of insurgents acting independently. Then again, if there's anything we're famous for, it's that we have many people who care about this stuff who are pretty "religious", and if someone in the govt. says something, no matter how absurd or irrational, tons of people are going to believe it with something akin to unwavering faith. And people give Russians flak for this, lol. @Zeo Glad to see there's misinformation from the other side in this thread as well (sarcasm). Is Tupac alive in Serbia? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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ForTehDarkseid
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You aren't even taking a posibility of provocation by ultranationalists into the consideration, propaganda at its finest. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
seems like insanity. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
Lol who is Habibi? It's Hammurabi. He was an ancient king. Not some silly extremely overused arab word. I made this username while very drunk and reading about Babylonian history. I don't use it or anything like it anywhere else. The hell do i know, i can't spell half the usernames here. Zeo and Mc are pretty easy. That's as far as it gets for me with names. Just looked up habibi, at least it's funnier than your actual name  | ||
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Mc
332 Posts
Finally, a post of yours that I think I agree with I haven't seen evidence of actual gunshot wounds so that would suggest that either his aim was horrible or that he wasn't firing live rounds, until we hear of actual gun-shot wounds. Thanks for pointing that out.As to the video you posted. Could you (or anyone else) explain how it is relevant to the situation? I watched it several times, and it seems like it's just a bunch of cops having shit thrown at them. I don't see any 'shooters' or anything very relevant in it. Thanks! Yes, I did see a chubby cop firing a pistol at the union building a few times. We don't really know who he was firing at or why. I doubt he was just trying to kill random separatists, but was probably targeting some more direct threat. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
your shooter @5:43, big fat guy with bare arms above car in the right of picture. maybe someone can translate what the other shooter is saying? would be much appreciated. youtube note that i think 4-5 people are being reported with cause of death being shooting from odessa, so far, but don't know when, where or under what circumstances. prolly will become clear soon enough. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On May 04 2014 15:24 nunez wrote: @mc your shooter @5:43, big fat guy with bare arms above car in the right of picture. maybe someone can translate what the other shooter is saying? would be much appreciated. youtube note that i think 4-5 people are being reported with cause of death being shooting from odessa, so far, but don't know when, where or under what circumstances. prolly will become clear soon enough. Unfortunately he's speaking Ukranian so I can't understand most of what he's saying. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On May 04 2014 16:06 hunts wrote: Unfortunately he's speaking Ukranian so I can't understand most of what he's saying. They are speaking Russian with an Odessa accent. The people downstairs are screaming in Russian too. They are discussing about leaving, the woman says 'if our things were packed we would have left already', the man says 'watch, when else will you see something like this' [edit] my bad, i misunderstood which link nunez was talking about. I was listening to the video from the balcony of that line First there is a Russian speaking Ukrainian guy says "give us a path and we will do our thing" then the fat guy starts: "it started when ultra wanted pass by foot, but they couldnt do it because pro-Russian activist were here, they were armed, they had molotovs, they had everything, our guys went unarmed, we have four wounded and my leg is too. At first around Rada they blocked our office and then they started attacking the ultras. Then this situation started, a bunch of cars are beat up, there is more of us but we arent allowed to do anything. | ||
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
but i'm pretty sure the likes of Ghan already stated that anti-maidan activists in Odessa burned themselves, am i right? video of one of the leaders of pro-maidan activists shooting at the burning building here is the same man asking police officer to let his guys to do "their work" | ||
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nunez
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