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On March 14 2014 21:36 Ghanburighan wrote:
@Zeo
Am I not European because I play baseball (technically softball, I guess).
Stop spouting nonsense. There is evidence in the media, we presented that evidence in this thread already. But you don't care about evidence. You never respond when we show you cold hard facts which refute your nonsense claims. You never admit that what you say is false and misleading. So why I would I bother re-posting the same stuff over and over again just because you write down a question. Everyone in this thread, including people sympathetic to Russia, know to distance themselves from you.
All you do is put up random tweets from biased sources, show me all the Russian buses in Donetsk and then you can talk about people being bused in.
For now the only people being bused in are the people coming from western Ukraine
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It cannot be taken seriously because it was done by a special interest group. There are many ways to manipulate with polls, from outright making up numbers to biased questions.
That made me laugh. Please, tell me your opinion on the referendum on 16th.
Let me guess: totally not the same, right?
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On March 14 2014 21:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Now people are claiming that Russian citizens living in Russia decided to jump the border to go to Donetsk in Ukraine and beat up some people? Did I miss something?
FFS, all of this has been posted in the thread before. Protest tourists
Edit: or did you mean that you don't know about the pro-Russian protesters killing 3 pro-Ukrainian protesters yesterday in Donetsk. It was discussed extensively in this thread last night (European time).
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On March 14 2014 21:42 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 21:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Now people are claiming that Russian citizens living in Russia decided to jump the border to go to Donetsk in Ukraine and beat up some people? Did I miss something? FFS, all of this has been posted in the thread before. Protest tourists
You act like you have a monopoly on this thread, and only your information is correct, only what you want to talk about matters...
Let people talk about what they want to.
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On March 14 2014 21:44 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 21:42 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 14 2014 21:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Now people are claiming that Russian citizens living in Russia decided to jump the border to go to Donetsk in Ukraine and beat up some people? Did I miss something? FFS, all of this has been posted in the thread before. Protest tourists You act like you have a monopoly on this thread, and only your information is correct, only what you want to talk about matters... Let people talk about what they want to.
Wut? I'm saying that what they claim is FALSE, not off topic.
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On March 14 2014 21:42 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 21:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Now people are claiming that Russian citizens living in Russia decided to jump the border to go to Donetsk in Ukraine and beat up some people? Did I miss something? FFS, all of this has been posted in the thread before. Protest touristsEdit: or did you mean that you don't know about the pro-Russian protesters killing 3 pro-Ukrainian protesters yesterday in Donetsk. It was discussed extensively in this thread last night (European time).
Are you saying that all 10 thousand people at the anti-Maidan were Russian citizans or only a few buses were?
edit: Pro-Ukrainian protesters.. . I laughed for a good minute at that one.
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On March 14 2014 21:38 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 21:35 oneofthem wrote:On March 14 2014 21:29 BronzeKnee wrote:A lot of people have been giving me crap in this thread when I've compared Putin's recent actions to Hitler's in 1938. However, today, Timothy Snyder, a professor of history at Yale did the same thing in his piece to CNN: As with Putin today in Ukraine, Hitler in 1938 in Austria based his claim on the need to protect fellow ethnics. http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/05/opinion/russia-ukraine-austria/?iref=obinsiteHillary Clinton has also made the same comparison. Maybe it isn't so far-fetched. it's not far fetched at all. though putin would not start another world war or mass murder people. the hitler move looks really bad because it was done by hitler, but similar moves have been done elsewhere in history without the subsequent evnts. still, the western weakness due to not wanting to drive away the russian oligarch dirty money is showing. the UK especially is a joke Well, of course not to anyone who has an understanding of history. There is idiotic belief that 1938 was eons ago, when in fact, when you look at the timeline of humanity, it is recent history. It is not even a hundred years ago, many people born before 1938 are still alive today... Sure much has changed in the world, but much is still the same.
but didn't you know everyone outside of the west is a gentile and noble victim of western imperialism. they are all nice to each other in a heavenly kingdom of puff clouds
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On March 14 2014 21:45 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 21:42 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 14 2014 21:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Now people are claiming that Russian citizens living in Russia decided to jump the border to go to Donetsk in Ukraine and beat up some people? Did I miss something? FFS, all of this has been posted in the thread before. Protest touristsEdit: or did you mean that you don't know about the pro-Russian protesters killing 3 pro-Ukrainian protesters yesterday in Donetsk. It was discussed extensively in this thread last night (European time). Are you saying that all 10 thousand people at the anti-Maidan were Russian citizans or only a few buses were? edit: Pro-Ukrainian protesters.. . I laughed for a good minute at that one.
I'm sure you missed it by accident.
What's your opinion on the 16th referendum, based on your comment regarding objectivity of polls etc?
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On March 14 2014 21:49 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 21:45 zeo wrote:On March 14 2014 21:42 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 14 2014 21:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Now people are claiming that Russian citizens living in Russia decided to jump the border to go to Donetsk in Ukraine and beat up some people? Did I miss something? FFS, all of this has been posted in the thread before. Protest touristsEdit: or did you mean that you don't know about the pro-Russian protesters killing 3 pro-Ukrainian protesters yesterday in Donetsk. It was discussed extensively in this thread last night (European time). Are you saying that all 10 thousand people at the anti-Maidan were Russian citizans or only a few buses were? edit: Pro-Ukrainian protesters.. . I laughed for a good minute at that one. I'm sure you missed it by accident. What's your opinion on the 16th referendum, based on your comment regarding objectivity of polls etc?
My opinion on the referendum? They should wait until the self-proclaimed government in Kiev steps down or gets taken down by the people and then become a part of the eastern federation of the future Federation of Ukraine.
Ukraine hasn't broken international law by recognizing Kosovo, recognizing Crimea would be just as stupid as recognizing Kosovo. However the government in Kiev should be condemed for its actions.
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On March 14 2014 21:55 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 21:49 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 21:45 zeo wrote:On March 14 2014 21:42 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 14 2014 21:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Now people are claiming that Russian citizens living in Russia decided to jump the border to go to Donetsk in Ukraine and beat up some people? Did I miss something? FFS, all of this has been posted in the thread before. Protest touristsEdit: or did you mean that you don't know about the pro-Russian protesters killing 3 pro-Ukrainian protesters yesterday in Donetsk. It was discussed extensively in this thread last night (European time). Are you saying that all 10 thousand people at the anti-Maidan were Russian citizans or only a few buses were? edit: Pro-Ukrainian protesters.. . I laughed for a good minute at that one. I'm sure you missed it by accident. What's your opinion on the 16th referendum, based on your comment regarding objectivity of polls etc? My opinion on the referendum? They should wait until the self-proclaimed government in Kiev steps down or gets taken down by the people and then become a part of the eastern federation of the future Federation of Ukraine.
At this point the referendum its inevitable, so this option doesn't work.
Maybe i wrote it misunderstandable. What is your opinion on the referendum as it will take place?
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On March 14 2014 21:55 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 21:49 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 21:45 zeo wrote:On March 14 2014 21:42 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 14 2014 21:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Now people are claiming that Russian citizens living in Russia decided to jump the border to go to Donetsk in Ukraine and beat up some people? Did I miss something? FFS, all of this has been posted in the thread before. Protest touristsEdit: or did you mean that you don't know about the pro-Russian protesters killing 3 pro-Ukrainian protesters yesterday in Donetsk. It was discussed extensively in this thread last night (European time). Are you saying that all 10 thousand people at the anti-Maidan were Russian citizans or only a few buses were? edit: Pro-Ukrainian protesters.. . I laughed for a good minute at that one. I'm sure you missed it by accident. What's your opinion on the 16th referendum, based on your comment regarding objectivity of polls etc? My opinion on the referendum? They should wait until the self-proclaimed government in Kiev steps down or gets taken down by the people and then become a part of the eastern federation of the future Federation of Ukraine. Ukraine hasn't broken international law by recognizing Kosovo, recognizing Crimea would be just as stupid as recognizing Kosovo. However the government in Kiev should be condemed for its actions.
can you please answer? are you against the violence from the pro-russian groups?
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On March 14 2014 21:57 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 21:55 zeo wrote:On March 14 2014 21:49 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 21:45 zeo wrote:On March 14 2014 21:42 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 14 2014 21:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Now people are claiming that Russian citizens living in Russia decided to jump the border to go to Donetsk in Ukraine and beat up some people? Did I miss something? FFS, all of this has been posted in the thread before. Protest touristsEdit: or did you mean that you don't know about the pro-Russian protesters killing 3 pro-Ukrainian protesters yesterday in Donetsk. It was discussed extensively in this thread last night (European time). Are you saying that all 10 thousand people at the anti-Maidan were Russian citizans or only a few buses were? edit: Pro-Ukrainian protesters.. . I laughed for a good minute at that one. I'm sure you missed it by accident. What's your opinion on the 16th referendum, based on your comment regarding objectivity of polls etc? My opinion on the referendum? They should wait until the self-proclaimed government in Kiev steps down or gets taken down by the people and then become a part of the eastern federation of the future Federation of Ukraine. At this point the referendum its inevitable, so this option doesn't work. Maybe i wrote it misunderstandable. What is your opinion on the referendum as it will take place?
I kind of answered but I'll try again. Neither Serbia nor I will recognize Crimea if it becomes its own country. That doesn't absolve the self-proclaimed government in Kiev and Maidan from being responsible for what is happening in Ukraine now.
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On March 14 2014 22:05 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 21:55 zeo wrote:On March 14 2014 21:49 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 21:45 zeo wrote:On March 14 2014 21:42 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 14 2014 21:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Now people are claiming that Russian citizens living in Russia decided to jump the border to go to Donetsk in Ukraine and beat up some people? Did I miss something? FFS, all of this has been posted in the thread before. Protest touristsEdit: or did you mean that you don't know about the pro-Russian protesters killing 3 pro-Ukrainian protesters yesterday in Donetsk. It was discussed extensively in this thread last night (European time). Are you saying that all 10 thousand people at the anti-Maidan were Russian citizans or only a few buses were? edit: Pro-Ukrainian protesters.. . I laughed for a good minute at that one. I'm sure you missed it by accident. What's your opinion on the 16th referendum, based on your comment regarding objectivity of polls etc? My opinion on the referendum? They should wait until the self-proclaimed government in Kiev steps down or gets taken down by the people and then become a part of the eastern federation of the future Federation of Ukraine. Ukraine hasn't broken international law by recognizing Kosovo, recognizing Crimea would be just as stupid as recognizing Kosovo. However the government in Kiev should be condemed for its actions. can you please answer? are you against the violence from the pro-russian groups?
Yeah sorry, I'm writing on my mobile so I can't get to everything. Violance of any kind is bad, of course when 1000 people are bused into your city to cause trouble the people have a right to defend themselves. Normal people don't go across their whole country just to provoke another group.
The end of 3 lives is very sad. I just hope the people that organized them and sent them to provoke violance will one day be sentanced to jail in a court of law.
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The end of 3 lives is very sad. I just hope the people that organized them and sent them to provoke violance will one day be sentanced to jail in a court of law.
See, i don't know where you get your views from (edit: that's a lie, it's pretty obvious), but they're allowed to protest whereever they want to. Russia, germany, serbia, and, who would've thought, their own country. That's part of a democracy. If it's in a "hot zone", police has to be there to protect them (yes, even if they don't like it, or to protect them from themselves). That's how it works. Not russian hooligans knifing them down.
After 3 dead people, i certainly hope some people go to jail, and it's certainly not the people that were protesting. One of the injured in that clash wasn't even a protester, doesn't help your "case". Hoping that the organisators go to jail without losing a single word about the russians who killed just makes you look like a massive asshole. And i mean, massive.
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That idiot needs to be fired if the reports are true as to why those clashes happened in the first place, he is just as much to blame.
OSCE military observiers were in Donetsk to observe the situation, the newly appointed governor thought it was a good idea to show anti-russian sentiment and organized a rally.
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On March 14 2014 22:46 kukarachaa wrote:That idiot needs to be fired if the reports are true as to why those clashes happened in the first place, he is just as much to blame.
I don't understand, which reports?
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On March 14 2014 22:48 kukarachaa wrote:
sorry I updated my post
Thanks, as far as I know, there are no reports on this issue yet on international media. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Although, of course, the true blame lies with the people doing the killing, even if a pro-UKR rally was organized at a poor time without the means to protect the people. (That's something I have been wondering about the most. Why did the police not protect the people being attacked? In the videos, the policemen were just standing there, watching these people be beaten on. There is definitely investigation required into this sordid affair. And I don't know if it will lead to the governor, but it will lead somewhere.)
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On March 14 2014 21:14 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 20:55 Ramong wrote:On March 14 2014 20:41 zeo wrote:
No amount of fake polls and propaganda can take away a persons right to defend their property and city from thugs. Exactly how are that poll fake? Care to elaborate? It cannot be taken seriously because it was done by a special interest group. There are many ways to manipulate with polls, from outright making up numbers to biased questions. Asking 'do you think Yanukovych should have stepped down?', is not the same as 'do you support Maidan?'. There are many people who didn't like Yanukovych, yet despised Maidan and the cowboyism that it brought.
Actually yes, these are the exact same things. "Maidan" was nothing more than getting Yanukovych out of power. That you believe otherwise doesn't make that true.
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