On March 08 2014 03:51 FatCat_13 wrote: Big guy taking a sweety from a small guy. Happens from time to time, let's be real.
The thing is nobody gives a shit about Crimea outside of the Crimea itself. And those poor Crimean guys are smart enough to take an opportunity to get some oily-oily dollars - who's gonna blame them for it?
I am not sure I completely understand the russian interest in taking Crimea into Russia beyond satisfying Putin's ego though. But he's got a big one so I guess it might be true reason.
Don't you think the Russian populace would be very thankful if their country gets bigger? There are countless examples in history where that worked, somehow annexing stuff makes people happy, especially if it's territory that was somehow lost.
We're not in middle ages. Noone here wants to fucking war or other shit because of part of country who is collapsed anyway. Of course, almost everyone has friends, relatives or some links to Ukraine but thing is that if Crimea could be like Taiwan for China, that could be way better.
And one more thing. We can't call it as annexy. It's reunion and there is little difference :p.
Oh, Reunion, what a trick! So you're okay with someone knocking your door and saying they want to take a part of your appartments cause it was theirs like 10 years ago? Cause you know, reunion and all the stuff.
Dude, all my friends and relatives in Ukraine and in Crimea totally don't care. They live same life as before, but they don't mind in what country do they live - Soviet Union, Ukraine, independent Crimea or Russia. They give absolutely no fucks about it, because they know that it's basically same. If they can work, have home, food and stable stuff - that's all what they want. Not fucking war or other shit.
Seems like enough Russian soldiers in the Ukrainian army do care, otherwise they would have followed the example of the ex-Admiral and 'defected.'
. Support every decision which will Ukranian parlament make IF they will finally get their brains and announce impeachment for Yanukovich.
...what?
You really think that their new government is legitimate? Before previous one was dethroned? Like honestly? It's not middle ages when you could kill previous king, make coup d'etat and be new king.
Rada has to announce impeachment for Yanukovich, then Turchinov will have at least some legitimate power. Before it, he's just for lulz there and they can't even switch to 2004 Consitution because president has to sign it.
Who is the new King, the guy who sets up elections for May 25th?
All know that Turchinov is just Timoshenko's puppet :D So you can probably make some conclusions. And it was Rada, who set up elections. But they really could just announce impeachment and made things way easier than right now.
Journalists are having a hard time getting close to the scene, and there have been reports that a cameraman was beaten. Here’s the Telegraph correspondent:
Evilly menacing atmosphere at base entrance. Cameraman got badly bashed up before we got here pic.twitter.com/57JG2NuNyZ
— Roland Oliphant (@RolandOliphant) March 7, 2014 Cossacks and other military irregulars preventing reporters from getting near the stormed Ukraine base, thus no video or photos #Crimea
On March 08 2014 05:10 Sent. wrote: Oh please, do you really think that ordinary Russians will suffer after the West imposes those mythical sanctions? Maybe large Russians companies would lose some income but Russian citizens will be happy that Putin the hero defended their brethren in Crimea.
Polish media report about "storming the Ukrainian base" too but it sounds like an exaggeration since the article doesn't mention any regular combat, just usual muscle flexing.
Russia would probably collapse economically after a few weeks.
maybe alot of dirty russian money gets laundered through western european countries, one fault of western european banks is that don't seem to mind housing the money of dictators or from dubious ventures.
On March 08 2014 05:10 Sent. wrote: Oh please, do you really think that ordinary Russians will suffer after the West imposes those mythical sanctions? Maybe large Russians companies would lose some income but Russian citizens will be happy that Putin the hero defended their brethren in Crimea.
Polish media report about "storming the Ukrainian base" too but it sounds like an exaggeration since the article doesn't mention any regular combat, just usual muscle flexing.
Russia would probably collapse economically after a few weeks.
maybe alot of dirty russian money gets laundered through western european countries, one fault of western european banks is that don't seem to mind housing the money of dictators or from dubious ventures.
On March 08 2014 05:10 Sent. wrote: Oh please, do you really think that ordinary Russians will suffer after the West imposes those mythical sanctions? Maybe large Russians companies would lose some income but Russian citizens will be happy that Putin the hero defended their brethren in Crimea.
Polish media report about "storming the Ukrainian base" too but it sounds like an exaggeration since the article doesn't mention any regular combat, just usual muscle flexing.
Russia would probably collapse economically after a few weeks.
maybe alot of dirty russian money gets laundered through western european countries, one fault of western european banks is that don't seem to mind housing the money of dictators or from dubious ventures.
To be honest, Russia won't collapse. Our "elite" will just lose bunch of flats and houses probably in London, but no more. Noone will freeze so many actives, it might summon random stuff on stock exchanges.
On March 08 2014 05:10 Sent. wrote: Oh please, do you really think that ordinary Russians will suffer after the West imposes those mythical sanctions? Maybe large Russians companies would lose some income but Russian citizens will be happy that Putin the hero defended their brethren in Crimea.
Polish media report about "storming the Ukrainian base" too but it sounds like an exaggeration since the article doesn't mention any regular combat, just usual muscle flexing.
Russia would probably collapse economically after a few weeks.
maybe alot of dirty russian money gets laundered through western european countries, one fault of western european banks is that don't seem to mind housing the money of dictators or from dubious ventures.
Those would be freezed as well right ?
The British government says no in secret notes, publicly it says vague threats instead. Personally I cant imagine the Conservatives forcing the City to do anything. But then again I personally before the crisis began could have never imagined Russian foreign policy being focused on race as the defining characteristic either so.
On March 08 2014 03:51 FatCat_13 wrote: Big guy taking a sweety from a small guy. Happens from time to time, let's be real.
The thing is nobody gives a shit about Crimea outside of the Crimea itself. And those poor Crimean guys are smart enough to take an opportunity to get some oily-oily dollars - who's gonna blame them for it?
I am not sure I completely understand the russian interest in taking Crimea into Russia beyond satisfying Putin's ego though. But he's got a big one so I guess it might be true reason.
Don't you think the Russian populace would be very thankful if their country gets bigger? There are countless examples in history where that worked, somehow annexing stuff makes people happy, especially if it's territory that was somehow lost.
We're not in middle ages. Noone here wants to fucking war or other shit because of part of country who is collapsed anyway. Of course, almost everyone has friends, relatives or some links to Ukraine but thing is that if Crimea could be like Taiwan for China, that could be way better.
And one more thing. We can't call it as annexy. It's reunion and there is little difference :p.
Oh, Reunion, what a trick! So you're okay with someone knocking your door and saying they want to take a part of your appartments cause it was theirs like 10 years ago? Cause you know, reunion and all the stuff.
Dude, all my friends and relatives in Ukraine and in Crimea totally don't care. They live same life as before, but they don't mind in what country do they live - Soviet Union, Ukraine, independent Crimea or Russia. They give absolutely no fucks about it, because they know that it's basically same. If they can work, have home, food and stable stuff - that's all what they want. Not fucking war or other shit.
Seems like enough Russian soldiers in the Ukrainian army do care, otherwise they would have followed the example of the ex-Admiral and 'defected.'
. Support every decision which will Ukranian parlament make IF they will finally get their brains and announce impeachment for Yanukovich.
...what?
You really think that their new government is legitimate? Before previous one was dethroned? Like honestly? It's not middle ages when you could kill previous king, make coup d'etat and be new king.
Rada has to announce impeachment for Yanukovich, then Turchinov will have at least some legitimate power. Before it, he's just for lulz there and they can't even switch to 2004 Consitution because president has to sign it.
Who is the new King, the guy who sets up elections for May 25th?
All know that Turchinov is just Timoshenko's puppet :D So you can probably make some conclusions. And it was Rada, who set up elections. But they really could just announce impeachment and made things way easier than right now.
and Timonsheko is Putins puppet so...Putin couped against his own puppet to put his other puppet in through a puppet...INCEPTION!
On March 08 2014 03:51 FatCat_13 wrote: Big guy taking a sweety from a small guy. Happens from time to time, let's be real.
The thing is nobody gives a shit about Crimea outside of the Crimea itself. And those poor Crimean guys are smart enough to take an opportunity to get some oily-oily dollars - who's gonna blame them for it?
I am not sure I completely understand the russian interest in taking Crimea into Russia beyond satisfying Putin's ego though. But he's got a big one so I guess it might be true reason.
Don't you think the Russian populace would be very thankful if their country gets bigger? There are countless examples in history where that worked, somehow annexing stuff makes people happy, especially if it's territory that was somehow lost.
We're not in middle ages. Noone here wants to fucking war or other shit because of part of country who is collapsed anyway. Of course, almost everyone has friends, relatives or some links to Ukraine but thing is that if Crimea could be like Taiwan for China, that could be way better.
And one more thing. We can't call it as annexy. It's reunion and there is little difference :p.
Oh, Reunion, what a trick! So you're okay with someone knocking your door and saying they want to take a part of your appartments cause it was theirs like 10 years ago? Cause you know, reunion and all the stuff.
Dude, all my friends and relatives in Ukraine and in Crimea totally don't care. They live same life as before, but they don't mind in what country do they live - Soviet Union, Ukraine, independent Crimea or Russia. They give absolutely no fucks about it, because they know that it's basically same. If they can work, have home, food and stable stuff - that's all what they want. Not fucking war or other shit.
Seems like enough Russian soldiers in the Ukrainian army do care, otherwise they would have followed the example of the ex-Admiral and 'defected.'
. Support every decision which will Ukranian parlament make IF they will finally get their brains and announce impeachment for Yanukovich.
...what?
You really think that their new government is legitimate? Before previous one was dethroned? Like honestly? It's not middle ages when you could kill previous king, make coup d'etat and be new king.
Rada has to announce impeachment for Yanukovich, then Turchinov will have at least some legitimate power. Before it, he's just for lulz there and they can't even switch to 2004 Consitution because president has to sign it.
Who is the new King, the guy who sets up elections for May 25th?
All know that Turchinov is just Timoshenko's puppet :D So you can probably make some conclusions. And it was Rada, who set up elections. But they really could just announce impeachment and made things way easier than right now.
and Timonsheko is Putins puppet so...Putin couped against his own puppet to put his other puppet in through a puppet...INCEPTION!
Nah, our elite always supported Yanukovich. They could make big move and find new face after 2004 fail but same as in our domestic politics seems like they failed in it, because of it Yanukovich got chance to fail once more. Thank God, they finally realised it and said that he's retard. They supported Timoshenko a bit, but after she got send into prison, they abandoned this idea.
On March 08 2014 03:51 FatCat_13 wrote: Big guy taking a sweety from a small guy. Happens from time to time, let's be real.
The thing is nobody gives a shit about Crimea outside of the Crimea itself. And those poor Crimean guys are smart enough to take an opportunity to get some oily-oily dollars - who's gonna blame them for it?
I am not sure I completely understand the russian interest in taking Crimea into Russia beyond satisfying Putin's ego though. But he's got a big one so I guess it might be true reason.
Don't you think the Russian populace would be very thankful if their country gets bigger? There are countless examples in history where that worked, somehow annexing stuff makes people happy, especially if it's territory that was somehow lost.
We're not in middle ages. Noone here wants to fucking war or other shit because of part of country who is collapsed anyway. Of course, almost everyone has friends, relatives or some links to Ukraine but thing is that if Crimea could be like Taiwan for China, that could be way better.
And one more thing. We can't call it as annexy. It's reunion and there is little difference :p.
Oh, Reunion, what a trick! So you're okay with someone knocking your door and saying they want to take a part of your appartments cause it was theirs like 10 years ago? Cause you know, reunion and all the stuff.
Dude, all my friends and relatives in Ukraine and in Crimea totally don't care. They live same life as before, but they don't mind in what country do they live - Soviet Union, Ukraine, independent Crimea or Russia. They give absolutely no fucks about it, because they know that it's basically same. If they can work, have home, food and stable stuff - that's all what they want. Not fucking war or other shit.
You're from Moscow or not? If yes, then you probably know how do people react about it here. We will support every decision which will Crimeans make. Support every decision which will Ukranian parlament make IF they will finally get their brains and announce impeachment for Yanukovich. After it i will agree that they're legitimate.
We're not talking about muttons out there. We're talking about people who are able to think it thru and choose between oily money under mr. Putin or ukranian shitty economy. Tough choice but maybe they won't be allowed to even choose.
As of Moscow, yep, I am from Moscow and I can tell - nobody cares. Those demonstration you might be referring to proves nothing cause people will go out for pesky 500 roubles.
On March 08 2014 03:57 Maenander wrote: [quote] Don't you think the Russian populace would be very thankful if their country gets bigger? There are countless examples in history where that worked, somehow annexing stuff makes people happy, especially if it's territory that was somehow lost.
We're not in middle ages. Noone here wants to fucking war or other shit because of part of country who is collapsed anyway. Of course, almost everyone has friends, relatives or some links to Ukraine but thing is that if Crimea could be like Taiwan for China, that could be way better.
And one more thing. We can't call it as annexy. It's reunion and there is little difference :p.
Oh, Reunion, what a trick! So you're okay with someone knocking your door and saying they want to take a part of your appartments cause it was theirs like 10 years ago? Cause you know, reunion and all the stuff.
Dude, all my friends and relatives in Ukraine and in Crimea totally don't care. They live same life as before, but they don't mind in what country do they live - Soviet Union, Ukraine, independent Crimea or Russia. They give absolutely no fucks about it, because they know that it's basically same. If they can work, have home, food and stable stuff - that's all what they want. Not fucking war or other shit.
Seems like enough Russian soldiers in the Ukrainian army do care, otherwise they would have followed the example of the ex-Admiral and 'defected.'
. Support every decision which will Ukranian parlament make IF they will finally get their brains and announce impeachment for Yanukovich.
...what?
You really think that their new government is legitimate? Before previous one was dethroned? Like honestly? It's not middle ages when you could kill previous king, make coup d'etat and be new king.
Rada has to announce impeachment for Yanukovich, then Turchinov will have at least some legitimate power. Before it, he's just for lulz there and they can't even switch to 2004 Consitution because president has to sign it.
Who is the new King, the guy who sets up elections for May 25th?
All know that Turchinov is just Timoshenko's puppet :D So you can probably make some conclusions. And it was Rada, who set up elections. But they really could just announce impeachment and made things way easier than right now.
and Timonsheko is Putins puppet so...Putin couped against his own puppet to put his other puppet in through a puppet...INCEPTION!
Nah, our elite always supported Yanukovich. They could make big move and find new face after 2004 fail but same as in our domestic politics seems like they failed in it, because of it Yanukovich got chance to fail once more. Thank God, they finally realised it and said that he's retard. They supported Timoshenko a bit, but after she got send into prison, they abandoned this idea.
Well ya and now they supported the coup to get her out. Its like two Russian puppets fighting each other through other puppets. Its a matryoshka of puppet shadow battle.
“It’s all over,” the Telegraph correspondent tweets:
It's all over. Two Russian Volga trucks drove off after "talks". Ukrainian officer says about 30 to 40 Rus troops involved
— Roland Oliphant (@RolandOliphant) March 7, 2014 8.46pm GMT The Guardian’s Shaun Walker has been speaking with the deputy commander of the Yukharina Balka post.
Shaun is told that Russian troops stormed a gate and threatened to shoot to kill; the Ukrainians ignored them; local “self-defense” forces arrived and beat journalists on the scene; and the Russians left.
All related to me right now by the deputy commander of the base. Self defence guys dispersed into the night. Dark, really dark.
— Shaun Walker (@shaunwalker7) March 7, 2014
More Heroes of Ukraine medals are going to need to be printed.
On March 08 2014 03:51 FatCat_13 wrote: Big guy taking a sweety from a small guy. Happens from time to time, let's be real.
The thing is nobody gives a shit about Crimea outside of the Crimea itself. And those poor Crimean guys are smart enough to take an opportunity to get some oily-oily dollars - who's gonna blame them for it?
I am not sure I completely understand the russian interest in taking Crimea into Russia beyond satisfying Putin's ego though. But he's got a big one so I guess it might be true reason.
Don't you think the Russian populace would be very thankful if their country gets bigger? There are countless examples in history where that worked, somehow annexing stuff makes people happy, especially if it's territory that was somehow lost.
We're not in middle ages. Noone here wants to fucking war or other shit because of part of country who is collapsed anyway. Of course, almost everyone has friends, relatives or some links to Ukraine but thing is that if Crimea could be like Taiwan for China, that could be way better.
And one more thing. We can't call it as annexy. It's reunion and there is little difference :p.
Oh, Reunion, what a trick! So you're okay with someone knocking your door and saying they want to take a part of your appartments cause it was theirs like 10 years ago? Cause you know, reunion and all the stuff.
Dude, all my friends and relatives in Ukraine and in Crimea totally don't care. They live same life as before, but they don't mind in what country do they live - Soviet Union, Ukraine, independent Crimea or Russia. They give absolutely no fucks about it, because they know that it's basically same. If they can work, have home, food and stable stuff - that's all what they want. Not fucking war or other shit.
You're from Moscow or not? If yes, then you probably know how do people react about it here. We will support every decision which will Crimeans make. Support every decision which will Ukranian parlament make IF they will finally get their brains and announce impeachment for Yanukovich. After it i will agree that they're legitimate.
We're not talking about muttons out there. We're talking about people who are able to think it thru and choose between oily money under mr. Putin or ukranian shitty economy. Tough choice but maybe they won't be allowed to even choose.
As of Moscow, yep, I am from Moscow and I can tell - nobody cares. Those demonstration you might be referring to proves nothing cause people will go out for pesky 500 roubles.
Lel dude, they're not muttons. They dislike Yanukovich and everything what is happening in Ukraine since 93 :D They just don't like big meetings but even they went for some to support stuff when it was peaceful. So, i will be very pleased if you don't say that they're muttons.
No, i'm not speaking of demonstrations, they're ridiculous. It's general, that people are very supportative of Ukranians. They're closer to us than that bunch of illegals, right? :p
(Russian economics btw are going from being totally dependant from oil gas and other stuff which our country has a lot.)
On March 08 2014 05:02 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: [quote]
We're not in middle ages. Noone here wants to fucking war or other shit because of part of country who is collapsed anyway. Of course, almost everyone has friends, relatives or some links to Ukraine but thing is that if Crimea could be like Taiwan for China, that could be way better.
And one more thing. We can't call it as annexy. It's reunion and there is little difference :p.
Oh, Reunion, what a trick! So you're okay with someone knocking your door and saying they want to take a part of your appartments cause it was theirs like 10 years ago? Cause you know, reunion and all the stuff.
Dude, all my friends and relatives in Ukraine and in Crimea totally don't care. They live same life as before, but they don't mind in what country do they live - Soviet Union, Ukraine, independent Crimea or Russia. They give absolutely no fucks about it, because they know that it's basically same. If they can work, have home, food and stable stuff - that's all what they want. Not fucking war or other shit.
Seems like enough Russian soldiers in the Ukrainian army do care, otherwise they would have followed the example of the ex-Admiral and 'defected.'
. Support every decision which will Ukranian parlament make IF they will finally get their brains and announce impeachment for Yanukovich.
...what?
You really think that their new government is legitimate? Before previous one was dethroned? Like honestly? It's not middle ages when you could kill previous king, make coup d'etat and be new king.
Rada has to announce impeachment for Yanukovich, then Turchinov will have at least some legitimate power. Before it, he's just for lulz there and they can't even switch to 2004 Consitution because president has to sign it.
Who is the new King, the guy who sets up elections for May 25th?
All know that Turchinov is just Timoshenko's puppet :D So you can probably make some conclusions. And it was Rada, who set up elections. But they really could just announce impeachment and made things way easier than right now.
and Timonsheko is Putins puppet so...Putin couped against his own puppet to put his other puppet in through a puppet...INCEPTION!
Nah, our elite always supported Yanukovich. They could make big move and find new face after 2004 fail but same as in our domestic politics seems like they failed in it, because of it Yanukovich got chance to fail once more. Thank God, they finally realised it and said that he's retard. They supported Timoshenko a bit, but after she got send into prison, they abandoned this idea.
Well ya and now they supported the coup to get her out. Its like two Russian puppets fighting each other through other puppets. Its a matryoshka of puppet shadow battle.
Lol dude, if Russia did support the coup, i guess then we wouldn't have this shit about Crimea :D But i agree about shadow battle, it's sad that countries can't be independent.
On March 08 2014 01:01 oneofthem wrote: the only thing we don't doubt is that we gotta doubt. not sure if this is worse than simple brainwashing. lol
There are plenty of avenues to learn about the issue for yourself, outside of standard news sources. There's a great deal of history involved with the Crimea (if you were starting there, start with the Crimean War) that ties it to Russia ethnically, historically, and culturally (Tolstoy). In conjunction with major Russian security interests in the region (Sevastopol), and the events leading up the crisis, there's a nexus of interests that make intervention in the Crimea, though a heavy risk for Russia, entirely understandable and consistent.
On above tweet: It's pretty expected, and is not necessarily the result of Russian pressure (and I'd actually be surprised if it was). My guess it was a localized decision and pressuring.
sure. but posters in doubt are mostly already operating with a belief of western conspiracy/manipulation.
doubting western manipulation or are you talking about its extent?
i don't know what some people's conception of 'the west' even is. is it a caricature of Imperialist Pig Americans or something out of the Jewish Illuminati playbook like you hear in ny bars? either way it's this shadowy figure that combats the russians or another opposing actor in a game of risk.
sure, the cia is there in some capacity no doubt. but if you take sides based purely on a framework of west vs russia, you are not looking at the content of their respective influence. the west, for example, may wish for some positive reforms, while putin is engaged in teh old nationalism to combat internal weakness routine.
Western media would be the example that I would point out. OF course they are not as manipulative as Russian ones, but their work with the sources they have is often rather creative and ow they pick their sources is also sometimes suspect.
And by West I mean in general EU(depending on the context it might exclude some/all post-communist countries) + the countries like Switzerland, Norway, Iceland,... + US, Canada, Australia,...
the suspension of judgment required to take an ambivalent stance regarding the actions of putin russia is quite high. this is not relativism yea it is just a cognitive block. as for relativism i only use it becus u guys were using it and as far as i can tell it amounts to either "the west is equally bad" or " the west is equally untrustworthy " with the implicit assumption that the antirussian story is automatically tainted western
Oh, I do not take ambivalent stance on their actions. I take ambivalent stance on different things as I explained in my recent posts. And if you read them you should know that I do not consider West equally as bad in general, purely in international arena I consider them possibly worse (which can change if actual deadly violence erupts in Ukraine) and definitely as big hypocrites as the Russians.
As far as the comparison can be sustained in the purely political sphere, Russia has been merely conducting herself along the standards set by the Americans for the past two decades, albeit on a far more modest scale. However, there is also an unspoken asymmetry in the comparison as well, because for Russia, the West is not only a rival but a model. There is a duality in the way Russia perceives the West which has been a running meme in Russian history since the 18th century; on one hand, fear and suspicion, on the other, envy and imitation. In the warmer periods of association, such as the relationship between Alexander I and Napoleon, between Peter III and Frederick the Great, or even the Stalin's relationships with Hitler and Roosevelt, this esteem has bubbled into outright professions of admiration. How the Western nations conduct themselves with Russia matters, not only because of their responsibility to themselves, but because of their responsibility to all those who will imitate their behaviour.
Russia is right in that the current Ukrainian govt isn't legitimate and they're basically put in power by a bloody and frothing mob. Moving into the crimera to protect their military assets is just a good ol fashioned power play by putin. He cant lose this and won't back down without a fight.
Lel dude, they're not muttons. They dislike Yanukovich and everything what is happening in Ukraine since 93 :D They just don't like big meetings but even they went for some to support stuff when it was peaceful. So, i will be very pleased if you don't say that they're muttons.
No, i'm not speaking of demonstrations, they're ridiculous. It's general, that people are very supportative of Ukranians. They're closer to us than that bunch of illegals, right? :p
(Russian economics btw are going from being totally dependant from oil gas and other stuff which our country has a lot.)
Didn't mean to insult your relatives or anything. Just wanted to make a point of doubt whether the people of Crimea would have that choice with all those gunmen walking nearby.
Russia economy may be very slightly moving toward healthy distribution but still over 56% of budget is revenue from gas, oil and the other resources. We must all pray the invention of the alternative sources of energy is nowhere close otherwise our economy is fucked up which immediately would result in revolution
Lel dude, they're not muttons. They dislike Yanukovich and everything what is happening in Ukraine since 93 :D They just don't like big meetings but even they went for some to support stuff when it was peaceful. So, i will be very pleased if you don't say that they're muttons.
No, i'm not speaking of demonstrations, they're ridiculous. It's general, that people are very supportative of Ukranians. They're closer to us than that bunch of illegals, right? :p
(Russian economics btw are going from being totally dependant from oil gas and other stuff which our country has a lot.)
Didn't mean to insult your relatives or anything. Just wanted to make a point of doubt whether the people of Crimea would have that choice with all those gunmen walking nearby.
Russia economy may be very slightly moving toward healthy distribution but still over 56% of budget is revenue from gas, oil and the other resources. We must all pray the invention of the alternative sources of energy is nowhere close otherwise our economy is fucked up which immediately would result in revolution
Nah dude, no insult :D Just remember first meetings in 2011 when our "opposition" were calling everyone as muttons who hadn't came to meetings when it was -26.
46%, no? But i can be wrong. Ye, i really hope science will develop fast here and thank God we have real future in this especially if our country will finally make absolutely good conditions for them to work. + If weather will be as good as last few years, i guess we can expect lots from our agriculture as well so i'm optimistic here. My friends who work in Skolkovo say that it's good, so we'll see.
Citing a duty officer and Ukraine's defence ministry, the agency said a Kamaz lorry had rammed open the gates of the facility and about 20 "attackers" had entered, throwing stun grenades.
The Ukrainian troops immediately barricaded themselves inside a building and their commander had begun negotiations, it added.
The BBC's Christian Fraser, who is at the scene, said the gates did not appear to have been driven through, and there was no sign that the base had been seized.
There are two trucks from the Russian Black Fleet outside the gates, surrounded by irregular soldiers and a very hostile crowd of pro-Russian demonstrators, he adds.
Two journalists who attempted to take photographs were beaten badly.
“It’s all over,” the Telegraph correspondent tweets:
It's all over. Two Russian Volga trucks drove off after "talks". Ukrainian officer says about 30 to 40 Rus troops involved
— Roland Oliphant (@RolandOliphant) March 7, 2014 8.46pm GMT The Guardian’s Shaun Walker has been speaking with the deputy commander of the Yukharina Balka post.
Shaun is told that Russian troops stormed a gate and threatened to shoot to kill; the Ukrainians ignored them; local “self-defense” forces arrived and beat journalists on the scene; and the Russians left.
All related to me right now by the deputy commander of the base. Self defence guys dispersed into the night. Dark, really dark.
— Shaun Walker (@shaunwalker7) March 7, 2014
More Heroes of Ukraine medals are going to need to be printed.
Indeed. I cant image what it must be like for them. Every instinct in your body telling you to shoot them fear of your own life by knowing that doing so would probably unleash war against your country.
EPT
