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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
September 17 2013 12:33 GMT
#141
On September 17 2013 21:09 Dingodile wrote:
I am wondering if they wanted quit earlier but didnt do because of (respect to) proleague was running or the player aren't/weren't allowed to quit (contract) during the proleague.

I cant think they just realize this/last week "ok no sc2 anymore".


kespa contracts running out and I guess alot of people get a slimmer paycheck. But yes switching to another thing even if it is the same genre has a mass quitting effect always. And while BW and Sc2 are pretty close overall in design, some parts weight differently.
Would have happened even if Sc2 would be the biggest thing in esport.

To bad though really liked light.

I am curious how BW and Sc2 would look right now if kespa wouldn't have tried to sabotage the Sc2 release. Instead of late switching to a game they did permanent damage to trying to take it over and wonder why they fail and why the game is low on interest for them. But maybe it was their plan all along, kill Sc2 and make Blizzard take revenge on BW. Play the victim and go into the final form taking over everything and then switch to LoL. Kefka would be proud.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 17 2013 12:40 GMT
#142
On September 17 2013 21:27 nighcol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2013 20:55 reminisce12 wrote:
On September 17 2013 20:33 herMan wrote:
Fucking sc2 is dying posts make me cringe. It is inevitable for a lot of the kespa guys to retire since they tend to be pretty old bw veterans. What did you expect, Flash playing sc2 when he's 30 years old? People grow up.


except these pplz are not 30, especially someone as young as flying.


Well, in State of Play even Jaedong seemed to be getting comments from his family about already being old for progaming or something and his age was also highlighted at that event for Kespa players in the film. I think there may be some age related pressure based on that.

I guess the elephants weren't as dominant as expected in the SC2 scene and now they're downsizing en masse. We're left guessing at the reasons for these players' retirements but my take would be that it's a little bit of everything: age, less interest in the game, perceived difficulty of making it in SC2, forced choice between retiring or starting to look for a non-Kespa team, Starcraft in general no longer being in the limelight in Korea....


yeah, there was even a scene where he asks himself if that progaming career wasnt just waste of time. (cause his friends go to school, have free time and girlfriends , etc).
It isnt all about the actual gameplay of sc2, i bet most of the time the situation of being a progamer at a certain age in addition to the decline in the starcraft scene (which comes with salary cuts) is reason enough to retire and enjoy some freetime before u go to military. srsly it isnt always about the gamer not enjoying the game..^^
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
September 17 2013 12:40 GMT
#143
Nooooo, sad to see more people go.
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FlukyS
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland485 Posts
September 17 2013 12:48 GMT
#144
Wow Flying retiring is big news he was playing pretty well. Its sad to see these players retiring but I suppose eSF players will get acquired eventually so this is making room for that.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 17 2013 12:50 GMT
#145
On September 17 2013 16:02 RoyaleBrainSlug wrote:
The best terran who never won a tournament retired :C so long Light and GL in the military!

But but... Supernova!
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MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
September 17 2013 12:51 GMT
#146
I miss Light from BW, and Flying was showing promising results in SC2. :[
Good luck in the future.
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lessQQmorePEWPEW
Profile Joined November 2011
Jamaica921 Posts
September 17 2013 12:52 GMT
#147
huehue so many players dippin the scenes. damn
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forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
September 17 2013 13:01 GMT
#148
If WJS falls, it will be devastating for PL.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 17 2013 13:02 GMT
#149
On September 17 2013 16:00 Khai wrote:
T_T When will the bad news end? I hope this doesn't mean Woongjin is disbanding, the sc2 scene has been shrinking way too fast...


We all knew it was coming though with the shrinkage. Only so many roster slots now guys.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
September 17 2013 13:03 GMT
#150
On September 17 2013 22:02 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2013 16:00 Khai wrote:
T_T When will the bad news end? I hope this doesn't mean Woongjin is disbanding, the sc2 scene has been shrinking way too fast...


We all knew it was coming though with the shrinkage. Only so many roster slots now guys.

But Light and Flying were A-teamers.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
September 17 2013 13:05 GMT
#151
More players going to SOSPA, eh?
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
September 17 2013 13:15 GMT
#152
Damn, some shakeups on the KeSPA side of things; not liking this at all.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-17 13:19:13
September 17 2013 13:18 GMT
#153
On September 17 2013 22:03 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2013 22:02 StarStruck wrote:
On September 17 2013 16:00 Khai wrote:
T_T When will the bad news end? I hope this doesn't mean Woongjin is disbanding, the sc2 scene has been shrinking way too fast...


We all knew it was coming though with the shrinkage. Only so many roster slots now guys.

But Light and Flying were A-teamers.

A-teamers that are older(compared to kids like MKP and Leenock) and looking at military service at some point during their lives. I am sure that getting that shit out of the way is always in the back of their minds and they have an exact dollar value that makes it worth it for them to say on a team. This was always going to happen when ESF players and Kespa players all started fighting over the same SC2 dollars.
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Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-17 13:20:05
September 17 2013 13:19 GMT
#154
It's just natural that they retire.
They were pretty decent in SCBW, but never made it through in SC2.
Also the Korean teams aim to reduce their team size.
So all in all, it's no surprise.

Farewell, Light! Liked your SCBW games.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
September 17 2013 13:21 GMT
#155
lol Flying. eSports is the best place to study English...
Sovano
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1503 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-17 13:27:14
September 17 2013 13:26 GMT
#156
On September 17 2013 22:21 c0ldfusion wrote:
lol Flying. eSports is the best place to study English...

That's why so many Koreans progamers can speak English right? /sarcasm (though a few can)
He's probably looking to major in English for his studies then I suppose which isn't a bad choice.
Qualitytime
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden5 Posts
September 17 2013 13:29 GMT
#157
so much bw players retiring
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
September 17 2013 13:31 GMT
#158
i expect news of player departures from kt and cj in coming weeks.
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purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3303 Posts
September 17 2013 13:31 GMT
#159
Welcome back.
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shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
September 17 2013 13:34 GMT
#160
Oh damn,this actually hurts a lot WJ.
RIP MKP
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