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sizcyp
Profile Joined April 2006
145 Posts
July 02 2006 10:01 GMT
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From Siz)Player
Suncow wanted to be recuited into Siz clan. By that time, Siz clan was already in top position on west server, and we didn't let any foreigners join.
But Siz clan tried to stay away from " korean only clan " and create an international clan, so we recuited suncow.
Suncow told me(Siz)player) that he needed help to become a progamer.
Suncow spent more than 10 hours a day to practice by playing, observing and watching replays.
I also love starcraft as much as him, and i thought if any of foreigner start to play in korea, it will give more interest to everyone, including people from other countries.
So i decided to help him. I got him many games with progamers and amatuers. Suncow improved very quickly and he was satisfied with the result also.
Oneday, Suncow told me there is a friend of him who wants to be a pro also and he needs help just like him. I was amazed by his friendship with his friend, so i decided to put both of them into the same team, just like PJ and LX.
So i asked him who that person was and decided to help. He was Draco and i asked him if he is willing to become a progamer, and also if he needed any help.
Draco decided join Siz, and i decided to help him also just like suncow. But very next day, he moved back to Nal clan , so i asked him what the problem was.
He said he was in Nal for 2 years and he couldn't get away from his clan members because he feel them like a family there.
He also said his friends from Nal clan that Siz)player isn't a doctor, he can't help any foreigners, he is just a thief. Draco was very mad at me. Everyone knows that i am a doctor, i am kind and helping many gamers.
It's also true that i am keeping very good relationship between many foreigner gamers, and i keep the promise once its promised.
I understood Draco about how he couldn't leave his old clan, so i decided to keep the madness just to myself and forget about it. I told Draco that I will still help him, even though he is in Nal clan.
After that, I got Draco and Suncow many games and gave them lots of information. I also asked them if they want to be in same progaming team, and they said yes.
So I contacted with Pantech, MBC, Soul team, teams that i have good contact with about testing.
At that time, Slog told me to stop what i was doing, because he will be working with Draco. I told him to do so, and i told him please keep draco and suncow into the same team. I also asked him what team he will get them test games, but he said it was secret.
He just told me everything will go well, so i stopped what i was doing and waited. When all this happened, there was an information out about courage league in korea, but noone has told draco and suncow about the courage league.
So i told draco and suncow about courage league 3 days before the deadline, and they were wiling to play in it. I asked them for their personal information and their past experience in starcraft community. After that, i called E-Sports company and asked them if it was possible to let foreigners play in courage league.
First, they said impossible, but after talking how e-sports could be improved also if any of foreigner become pro, so they allowed them to play in it.
But someday, slog told me that draco wont be participating in courage league, so i only signed up for suncow.
That night, suncow told me that draco is willing to play in it also, so i met with draco asap and decided to sign him up also. But by that time, it was too late to sign him up, so i actually had to go to e-sports buliding and ask them to sign draco up.
I did all the work because i wanted suncow and draco to be successful, not for my own good. Next day, Slog got Draco testing games from Ongamenet Proteam.
He didn't tell them anything about SUncow. I was mad because this kind of actions is betraying suncow and I. I helped them because they needed help. Even though Draco wasn't in Siz clan, I tried my best to help him out.
I always trusted Slog, and because of him, Test games were appointed about a month earlier. But After all these things happened, i was very mad at him. I felt very sorry for Suncow, so I actually had to call Suncow and calm him down.
It's not hard for me to get Suncow testing games, so i will be helping him from now on. I am just mad because of Slog's Greedyness and he only does things for himself.
He is willing to get old pG clan revived, so he is taking Draco back to support himself, thats why he didn't wanted any help from me. He also told me why he should help Suncow out, he thinks Draco is a lot better play than suncow.
Anyone could improve their skills if they practice in good environment, and suncow isn't worse than Draco anymore. This is the reason why i fought with Slog, and i decided to share each other's apology.
Because i dont want to fight with anyone, and if we keep fighting, it will make draco and suncow's relationship worse. When Draco and Suncow come to Korea, i will go visit them and help them if its needed.
Many of foreigner gamres knows that Siz clan has reallly good relationship with many international palyers. We also ahve very good relationship with Mym, tot, Fanatic, smi, etc.
And we let players join if they are willing to become pro. And i was born in 1979 in korea, and i am a korean doctor.
I hope there will be no more misunderstanding. I want to keep godo relationship with everyone.
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-07-02 10:11:05
July 02 2006 10:07 GMT
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dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
July 02 2006 10:09 GMT
#3
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funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
July 02 2006 10:13 GMT
#4
All These stories seems soo fucking unreal. It's like, we have our own SC-Drama right here.

Someone should do phtooshop of this..

Draco and SunCow:
A true story.

;o Well I don't know who to believe, I just want to be informed about the whole situation.

GL to Siz)Player, to Slog, Draco and SunCow.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
StreaK
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada580 Posts
July 02 2006 10:14 GMT
#5
When is the whole tournment to be played?
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FalliNinLove
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Slovakia865 Posts
July 02 2006 10:23 GMT
#6
its good that kors help foreigners... Its cool to have dream and do all to make it real.. I am goin Korea 2007 so beware
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
July 02 2006 10:24 GMT
#7
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miNi
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Korea (South)2010 Posts
July 02 2006 10:26 GMT
#8
It doesn't matter whether Draco is a better player than Suncow; they both flew half way around the globe to get to Korea to try to become pro.

I don't understand Slog's ignorance in helping Draco only. If he has the contacts to get practice games for Draco, why can't he do the same for Suncow?
I understand that Player is trying to help them both, but by looking at the current situation, Slog has better contacts than Player does; Slog got Draco practice games with OGN.

He is ignorant in not helping them both.

Currently, it seems that Draco has help; Suncow does not.

I hope everything works out for both of them.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
July 02 2006 10:27 GMT
#9
ignorant is not the word you are looking for.
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SChasu
Profile Joined October 2003
United States1505 Posts
July 02 2006 10:27 GMT
#10
On July 02 2006 19:13 FunKiE wrote:
All These stories seems soo fucking unreal. It's like, we have our own SC-Drama right here.

Someone should do phtooshop of this..

Draco and SunCow:
A true story.

;o Well I don't know who to believe, I just want to be informed about the whole situation.

GL to Siz)Player, to Slog, Draco and SunCow.
totalbiscuit is awful at casting.
dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
July 02 2006 10:27 GMT
#11
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
July 02 2006 10:28 GMT
#12
Slog said he will help suncow, just after he helps draco, so i dont think he has the means to help them both at once.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
July 02 2006 10:28 GMT
#13
On July 02 2006 19:26 miNi wrote:
It doesn't matter whether Draco is a better player than Suncow; they both flew half way around the globe to get to Korea to try to become pro.

I don't understand Slog's ignorance in helping Draco only. If he has the contacts to get practice games for Draco, why can't he do the same for Suncow?
I understand that Player is trying to help them both, but by looking at the current situation, Slog has better contacts than Player does; Slog got Draco practice games with OGN.

He is ignorant in not helping them both.

Currently, it seems that Draco has help; Suncow does not.

I hope everything works out for both of them.


No, not practice, an actual test game. that's bigger.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
July 02 2006 10:30 GMT
#14
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L!MP
Profile Joined March 2003
Australia2067 Posts
July 02 2006 11:03 GMT
#15
i think the important thing is no malice was intended by either side, bar heat of the moment distress. an ultimatum will have to be met. it will be difficult having two guys trying to run the show, especially when the agendas differ. but i have faith this will work itself out and both players will get their chances in korea.

so are the two in korean now? re: courage tournament
OctoPuSs
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Canada5279 Posts
July 02 2006 11:11 GMT
#16
I can only imagine how such drama can happen at every courage tournaments with korean players. Good to here both sides tho.
Depression is just a sarcastic state of mind. Liquid`HerO Fighting!
Forever(Zerg)
Profile Joined July 2006
4 Posts
July 02 2006 11:37 GMT
#17
Wow they must b going through so much pressure and stress.
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
July 02 2006 11:40 GMT
#18
well this is a pretty big gamble, if you think about it, It's a one shot deal, either they make it or they don't, and these players really fucking want to be progamers.
DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
July 02 2006 11:54 GMT
#19
Good Luck Player, and thx for helping foreigners .
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
July 02 2006 12:02 GMT
#20
very interesting post
thanks for sharing
AUSSIESCUM
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JoMal
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
July 02 2006 12:10 GMT
#21
Player = Manner No discrimination between koreans and foreigners whatsoever. Great dude.
Oh you mad cause i'm stylin on you
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
July 02 2006 12:51 GMT
#22
player and slog are both fucking dumb
why so 진지해?
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