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Deleted User 61629
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:42 Cokefreak wrote: Your last blog got 12.5k views, that's pretty good for a non featured blog :D Destiny + Reddit will do that. | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
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R1CH
Netherlands10341 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:45 Cokefreak wrote: Yeah, it's also at the top of the hot threads on TL even though it's already closed. I feel like that is the recipe for success, call a big name out, know you aren't in trouble, and then profit lol. He even got some moderation in his blog, extra points  . | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
I want to clarify that 100 mbit is not uncommon in Europe. Costs ~ $25 / month. A 100 mbps connection is fairly exceptional as far as I'm aware in the US, especially at the rate of $25 a month (many ISPs don't even offer it at all, and a quick google search of various providers in the US shows prices of $100+ per month being far more typical). You're dismissive of R1CH's statement that 20 mbps or lower connections are common among home users, and maybe that's the case where you live, but certainly not here. I'd guess the majority of American streamers do not have a 100 mbps connection, and very likely do not have the option of getting one (either because it's not available through their ISP or it's beyond their practical budget). | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3809 Posts
On April 09 2013 05:35 TheYango wrote: One thing that bothered me from your original blog, though I didn't get a chance to post: A 100 mbit connection is fairly exceptional as far as I'm aware in the US, especially at the rate of $25 a month (many ISPs don't even offer it at all, and a quick google search of various providers in the US shows prices of $100+ per month being far more typical). You're dismissive of R1CH's statement that 20 Mbps or lower connections are common among home users, and maybe that's the case where you live, but certainly not here. While I can't speak for all of Europe, in Denmark, you can't get 100 down for less than 400 DKK (70$) a month. | ||
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Deleted User 61629
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34494 Posts
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R1CH
Netherlands10341 Posts
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Deleted User 61629
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:07 Inori wrote: Ok it seems that no matter how nicely I try to word it I can't get constructive exchange of messages going, so let's drop the subject. Please close this blog post. You could say the opposite too, you don't really want to listen to arguments either. | ||
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Deleted User 61629
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Ficetool
Germany165 Posts
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Deleted User 61629
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HollowLord
United States3862 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:13 Inori wrote: What arguments? That 2-3 Gbps botnets for $20 / month are a real thing? Show me where they are. Well after a google search for "online shell booter" I found this website. http://xrshellbooter.com/ After registering, it appears to be a website where you purchase access to shell booters. Extremely massive ones (for the script kiddie who wants to take down a website like a hardcore haxx0r) seem to cost 50-100 dollars a month, whereas small ones (for the script kiddie who thinks ddosing stephano is LE EPIK TROLES) cost 15, 25, dollars a month. Please, at least google it. Edit: If I shouldn't have linked the website, a mod can please feel free to remove it. | ||
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Penev
28485 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:19 HollowLord wrote: Well after a google search for "online shell booter" I found this website. http://xrshellbooter.com/ After registering, it appears to be a website where you purchase access to shell booters. Extremely massive ones (for the script kiddie who wants to take down a website like a hardcore haxx0r) seem to cost 50-100 dollars a month, whereas small ones (for the script kiddie who thinks ddosing stephano is LE EPIK TROLES) cost 15, 25, dollars a month. Please, at least google it. Edit: If I shouldn't have linked the website, a mod can please feel free to remove it. Ok, now to prove Destiny's claim, buy one and try it out. You've got the IP of Inori. I don't know. I'm not an authority on the subject but I can recognize when people aren't completely fair and I'm not talking about Inori. Not hating. | ||
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HollowLord
United States3862 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:28 Penev wrote: Ok, now to prove Destiny's claim, buy one and try it out. You've got the IP of Inori. I don't know. I'm not an authority on the subject but I can recognize when people aren't completely fair and I'm not talking about Inori. Not hating. Well, I'm not going to buy it because there's really nothing to accomplish from me doing that. If Inori wants to try it on his system then that's his prerogative, I'm just responding to his claim that these websites didn't exist. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:18 Inori wrote: Except for the part where nobody managed to prove me wrong even with very generous opportunities. Or the part where in the whole previous blog post I saw maybe 3 people that actually knew the topic well enough to talk about it. Ah damn it now I made 2 additional posts in a blog I wanted to be closed. Not posting on this topic anymore regardless if it's closed or not. Why are you doing? R1ch basically went through an explained to you why your internet connected was specifically resistant to DDoSing and then provided you with details as to why that is not available to most people(I have 5 mgs down, for example, not 100 mgs). What more to you need? Either you accept the expertise of people who are known for being experts in their field, or you don't. Demanding proof be provided in a form that you will accept is not an argument. You are just demanding something from people and you will decide when they have provided it. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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Penev
28485 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:30 HollowLord wrote: Well, I'm not going to buy it because there's really nothing to accomplish from me doing that. If Inori wants to try it on his system then that's his prerogative, I'm just responding to his claim that these websites didn't exist. He said a couple of times that he thinks that those sites are a scam. It's obviously possible to ddos but not for that price (is what he's claiming). | ||
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HollowLord
United States3862 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:34 Penev wrote: He said a couple of times that he thinks that those sites are a scam. It's obviously possible to ddos but not for that price (is what he's claiming). Well if that's his claim then it's his burden to back that up with evidence. Otherwise he's making an argument from ignorance. Edit: Argument from ignorance in the John Locke terminology, not the "fucking ignorant noob gg no re" sense. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:37 HollowLord wrote: Well if that's his claim then it's his burden to back that up with evidence. Otherwise he's making an argument from ignorance. Edit: Argument from ignorance in the John Locke terminology, not the "fucking ignorant noob gg no re" sense. Or you could just try it yourself and make $35 if you think he's so obviously wrong. Nobody's done it yet. I have to say 100Mbps is pretty exceptional speed though; I'm not sure any home ISP in the US offers that, aside from maybe Verizon. ~10Mbps is what the vast majority of gamers will have. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:44 Cel.erity wrote: I have to say 100Mbps is pretty exceptional speed though; I'm not sure any home ISP in the US offers that, aside from maybe Verizon. ~10Mbps is what the vast majority of gamers will have. A couple American ISPs offer it at exorbitant prices (if you're willing to pay $100+ a month for your internet). | ||
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HollowLord
United States3862 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:44 Cel.erity wrote: Or you could just try it yourself and make $35 if you think he's so obviously wrong. Nobody's done it yet. I have to say 100Mbps is pretty exceptional speed though; I'm not sure any home ISP in the US offers that, aside from maybe Verizon. ~10Mbps is what the vast majority of gamers will have. To be perfectly honest I don't trust him to pay up if he's wrong. Even if he did, I would rather not give my credit card or paypal information to some shady haxxor website. | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3809 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:44 TheYango wrote: I mean, we also established that Inori's connection is a lot better than what any NA streamer is going to have available to them. He dismissed this saying that 100 mbps connections are common in Europe, but given that Destiny isn't a European streamer, nor is a significant portion of Destiny's target audience with that reddit post--that isn't a valid counterpoint. I disagree that they are common, just available. | ||
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Penev
28485 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:37 HollowLord wrote: Well if that's his claim then it's his burden to back that up with evidence. Otherwise he's making an argument from ignorance. Edit: Argument from ignorance in the John Locke terminology, not the "fucking ignorant noob gg no re" sense. Well he made a bet and so far nobody accepted the challenge. I guess no one dares to make use of the services provided by those sites (I don't blame them). Inori has not been to unreasonable in these 2 threads and I'm sure if anyone does take the bet and at least create a disturbance in his matrix he'll post that here. Or would have because it seems all bets are of. | ||
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Penev
28485 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:46 Grovbolle wrote: I disagree that they are common, just available. In the Netherlands its becoming quite common. They just keep upping the speed. My ISP: https://www.ziggo.nl/#producten/alles-in-1/ This is with digital television and dedicated phone line. | ||
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Shirin
Hungary11 Posts
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LaSt)ChAnCe
United States2179 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:18 Inori wrote: Except for the part where nobody managed to prove me wrong even with very generous opportunities. Or the part where in the whole previous blog post I saw maybe 3 people that actually knew the topic well enough to talk about it. Ah damn it now I made 2 additional posts in a blog I wanted to be closed. Not posting on this topic anymore regardless if it's closed or not. i think you are conceited and a little ignorant. with that said, let's clarify exactly what you are trying to get "proven wrong" 1. are you saying that home networks cannot be DDoS'd? 2. are you saying that you can't be DDoS'd? 3. are you trying to say that the average streamer can't be DDoS'd? 4. are you saying that it is not possible to find a service to DDoS you for a certain price? ($25? $50?) 5. are you saying that in order for someone to actually be correct, they have to take an action to prove you wrong, instead of just providing you with logical evidence? just so that we are clear, since you seem to be arguing a lot of different things throughout the threads and reddit | ||
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JackDT
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FlaShFTW
United States10203 Posts
1. basically no1 agrees with you 2. ddos is a very real threat. 3. people are crazy and will have so much free time on their hands to start randomly ddosing people. one such example of number 3 is the fact that league and community established by 4chan for HAXBALL (YES THAT STUPID FLASH GAME WHERE YOU RUN AROUND AS A DOT KICKING A BALL) had people ddosing players. LOL. yeah. so please learn your information first and actually attempt to do some research before making unintelligent remarks how "ddosing is not real" and "is an excuse for people getting ddosed" EDIT: my mistake. the other guy said the "excuse" stuff. however my point still stands. ddos is a real threat, dont act like you know everything about it if you haven't actually experienced it. destiny has upwards of 5,000 dollars in revenue lost due to ddos. | ||
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icydergosu
528 Posts
--- 90.191.167.138 ping statistics --- 21 packets transmitted, 13 received, 38% packet loss, time 20075ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 59.359/70.332/85.635/10.978 ms --- 90.191.167.138 ping statistics --- 51 packets transmitted, 23 received, 54% packet loss, time 50233ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 59.361/69.993/81.286/10.021 ms | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
On April 09 2013 13:54 FlaShFTW wrote: the funniest part about this is that this "inori" kid says that basically EVERY PERSON WITH DDOS PROBLEMS is using DDoS as AN EXCUSE. LOLOLOL. im sorry inori, go ahead and report me, i dont care, but someone who is trying to act in an intelligent manner is failing quit hard. 1. basically no1 agrees with you 2. ddos is a very real threat. 3. people are crazy and will have so much free time on their hands to start randomly ddosing people. one such example of number 3 is the fact that league and community established by 4chan for HAXBALL (YES THAT STUPID FLASH GAME WHERE YOU RUN AROUND AS A DOT KICKING A BALL) had people ddosing players. LOL. yeah. so please learn your information first and actually attempt to do some research before making unintelligent remarks how "ddosing is not real" and "is an excuse for people getting ddosed" EDIT: my mistake. the other guy said the "excuse" stuff. however my point still stands. ddos is a real threat, dont act like you know everything about it if you haven't actually experienced it. destiny has upwards of 5,000 dollars in revenue lost due to ddos. despite the unfortunately awful presentation of this post, I find myself agreeing. Inori clearly can't possibly actually have factual information on the subject or he just wouldn't be spewing this trash unless it was the best troll of all time (which would be great if he knew something like this would really rustle up Destiny). If you don't understand it, don't talk about it like you do. Pretty simple. | ||
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whiteguycash
United States476 Posts
This blog exists solely due to Inori's inability to comprehend root causes of Ddos issues with streamers, regardless of all the actual information out there. I find it ridiculous that someone could come this far down the rabbit hole and still be ignorant of their own misgivings. | ||
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FromShouri
United States862 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:07 Inori wrote: Ok it seems that no matter how nicely I try to word it I can't get constructive exchange of messages going, so let's drop the subject. Please close this blog post. | ||
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