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zheng
Profile Joined September 2010
United States23 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 21:37:40
March 28 2013 21:36 GMT
#1
i don't understand why people haven't brought this up since it was present in beta, but for tvp this is completely broken, and ill explain why.

assuming t plays standard = 1rax fe gasless or 1rax fe with a reaper for scout. this leads to situations if proper scouting your gonna notice 2 gas and everything else similar from the protoss side, and 2 gas is very ambigous.if the reaper/scv/random marine scouts the proxy stargate, YOU CANNOT RESPOND BY KILLING THE PYLON powering the stargate, usually the proxy location is at a 3rd expansion and travel time takes like 30seconds just to walk there, and you run the risk of geting intercepted or powered throu your front door.this goes into = 1 chronoboosted oracle rallied straight into your base that comes around the 5-6 mark. this results in you losing 11 scvs if you sit there, or if you pull scvs youll lose about 4. and YOU CANNOT PARK MARINES BY THE MINERAL PATCH if its only 3-4 marines theyll simply kill the marines, puting too many results in them powering throu the frontdoor on the bottom.

turrets at this time is theoritically possible but if you do make turrets youd literally have no units.theyre allowed to literally just nexus right out of this, a counter attack will not work vs a decent protoss with purifier and core + zealots, and if you fail the counter you lose the game.

its a lose lose situation for the terran and if you do survive it you play the game from that point on at a extremely heavy advantage. p is basicly left unchecked and they can safely tech to storm at no risk or do anything else they want, grab more bases, sit on 2base and when you move out they kill you, or play standard.i explained the situation in detail above to the lower league players, if your in the higher leagues you already know this

replays from fellow terran players at the master level vs variations of proxy oracle follow up that results in the terran winning is greatly appreciate it

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Extenz
Profile Joined October 2011
Italy822 Posts
March 28 2013 21:43 GMT
#2
it depends which proxy, i often do a 3.50 proxy (before wg or stalker) and if they get a reaper in my base everytime gets slowed down a lot for me even if my oracle does a lot of dmg in his main, eventually it will run out of energy and he can get marines before i regen and due to the reaper the second oracle is slowed down.

for the other proxy, 4.30 terran has much more time to get mines out and turrets.
Forte11
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany26 Posts
March 28 2013 21:46 GMT
#3
It's our late revenge for 1/1/1 :D
No seriously its really strong. Another way to recognize it is the lack of a 3rd pylon in the Protoss' Base btw.
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
March 28 2013 21:47 GMT
#4
i'll try to put together a replaypack against up to mid gm protoss players

i honestly don't think it's that difficult to hold
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8477 Posts
March 28 2013 21:49 GMT
#5
Please read the strategy forum guidelines. All threads must be tagged in accordance with the guidelines. In addition, this topic does not qualify for a [D] Discussion topic. If you still wish to ask this question after reading the guidelines, the appropriate place is in the Simple Questions Simple Answers thread or one of the Race Specific Help Me Threads:
  • The Terran Help Me Thread
  • The Zerg Help Me Thread
  • The Protoss Help Me Thread
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IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
March 28 2013 21:50 GMT
#6
It's far from broken and honestly its not much stronger then the proxy voidray all in genius used to do vs gasless expands. Oracles have been shutdown fairly well by widows mines and don't need a nerf at this time
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