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Instead of always trying to join bureaucratic, undemocratic and often times anti-freedom international organizations, why not simply enlarge the United States? The United States is the greatest form of governance ever imagined, we already have the perfect framework in place to let other countries and territories join us.
We could actively work over the course of the next few decades to build very close relations with other countries. If these countries agree to uphold the Constitution, protect freedom (free speech, bearing arms, freedom of religion, etc.) and maintain a democratic/republican form of government then there is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to join. Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico have all decided to become American states, even though they aren't connected to the contiguous 48 states, making precedent. These new states would be able to keep their unique culture, politics and identity, much like current states do.
Of course these countries wouldn't join the United States overnight, as we would first have to build very close relations with both their people and their governments, before holding a referendum on their entry into the federation. Countries that are already federations or have unique cultural groups in them could offer to join as several different states (i.e. each canton of Switzerland could become it's own state) if they wish to do so.
What do you think of this proposal? Which countries do you think are the best potential candidates for joining the federation? Do you think we should allow monarchic countries (i.e. Japan, Sweden, United Kingdom, etc.) to join or should we wait until they become republics?
Poll: Which country should join the United States first?Korea (10) 26% Israel (5) 13% Canada (4) 11% Ghana (3) 8% United Kingdom (2) 5% United Arab Emirates (2) 5% Germany (2) 5% Taiwan (1) 3% Switzerland (1) 3% Japan (1) 3% Albania & Former Yugoslav States (1) 3% Australia & New Zealand (1) 3% France (1) 3% Finland, Norway, Sweden (1) 3% Central America & Caribbean (1) 3% Bulgaria, Greece, Hungary, Romania (1) 3% Greenland & Iceland (1) 3% Czech Republic & Slovakia (0) 0% Poland (0) 0% Turkey (0) 0% Belgium, Luxembourg, Netherlands (0) 0% 38 total votes Your vote: Which country should join the United States first? (Vote): Albania & Former Yugoslav States
(Vote): Australia & New Zealand
(Vote): Belgium, Luxembourg, Netherlands
(Vote): Bulgaria, Greece, Hungary, Romania
(Vote): Canada
(Vote): Central America & Caribbean
(Vote): Czech Republic & Slovakia
(Vote): Finland, Norway, Sweden
(Vote): France
(Vote): Germany
(Vote): Greenland & Iceland
(Vote): Ghana
(Vote): Israel
(Vote): Japan
(Vote): Korea
(Vote): Poland
(Vote): Switzerland
(Vote): Taiwan
(Vote): Turkey
(Vote): United Arab Emirates
(Vote): United Kingdom
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I'll be very concerned if Korea doesn't win this vote
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>US has the best form of government in the world and should expand.
>So far in debt that we probably will never pay it off and most of the world hates it.
On March 16 2013 14:21 YourAdHere wrote:
I'll be very concerned if Korea doesn't win this vote
Does that include North Korea too?
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oh my god
swedish players under US banner
finally some good US players 
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Hey why don't you guys just annex the entire african continent ? Great idea if you ask me ...
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Obama ruined the US didn't you get the memo?
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On March 16 2013 14:17 Arctic Daishi wrote:
Instead of always trying to join bureaucratic, undemocratic and often times anti-freedom international organizations, why not simply enlarge the United States? The United States is the greatest form of governance ever imagined, we already have the perfect framework in place to let other countries and territories join us.
We could actively work over the course of the next few decades to build very close relations with other countries. If these countries agree to uphold the Constitution, protect freedom (free speech, bearing arms, freedom of religion, etc.) and maintain a democratic/republican form of government then there is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to join.
Shouldn't our government do that first before trying to get other countries to do it?
and I hate to tell you this, but the US is a failed experiment in human freedom. They had the right ideas, but unfortunately, they got completely raped and pillaged by greedy men who decided they needed to run the world. I'm not going to say that this is how the world will always be, but there isn't much evidence of change, and in fact I would say that it's quite the opposite. If anything, our government system is about to collapse on itself, and you think it's a bright idea to invite other countries into this collapse?
We should probably wait until we reform our government to cope with modern day technology and ways of thinking.
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Either 12 or... not sure if srs. :/
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On March 16 2013 14:28 hoby2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 14:17 Arctic Daishi wrote:
Instead of always trying to join bureaucratic, undemocratic and often times anti-freedom international organizations, why not simply enlarge the United States? The United States is the greatest form of governance ever imagined, we already have the perfect framework in place to let other countries and territories join us.
We could actively work over the course of the next few decades to build very close relations with other countries. If these countries agree to uphold the Constitution, protect freedom (free speech, bearing arms, freedom of religion, etc.) and maintain a democratic/republican form of government then there is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to join.
Shouldn't our government do that first before trying to get other countries to do it? and I hate to tell you this, but the US is a failed experiment in human freedom. They had the right ideas, but unfortunately, they got completely raped and pillaged by greedy men who decided they needed to run the world. I'm not going to say that this is how the world will always be, but there isn't much evidence of change, and in fact I would say that it's quite the opposite. If anything, our government system is about to collapse on itself, and you think it's a bright idea to invite other countries into this collapse? We should probably wait until we reform our government to cope with modern day technology and ways of thinking.
Who is to say we can't restore the Constitution and work to build closer relations with other nations at the same time?
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Sweden33719 Posts
Sometimes you guys make it really hard to not be one of those US bashing idiots.......
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The entire world should be the United States. Murica!
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On March 16 2013 14:29 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Sometimes you guys make it really hard to not be one of those US bashing idiots.......
You have no idea if OP is even from the US though. I guess you are a mod so you can IP check, but most of the time I don't take country settings as truth.
And we're just trying to give you freedom you heathen,
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No way dude. No country is better off than any other country. Claiming that we're better off than Europe shows you don't understand how the world economy works. If one country is going down, they all go down at the same time. Remember how Greece was in a lot of debt? And now France is? This isn't a coincedence.
And how you can you say most of the world holds a positive view based on a wikipedia article? Which people are they interviewing? We're practically terrorists. The US is honestly no different than most countries in the middle east that are stirring up wars there. Centered around mostly one religion (Freedom of religion exists in the US, but it's dominated by christian sects), perceive us as being the bad guy, consistently tring to invade other countries.
God, it's really pathetic sometimes that people honestly believe that the US is looked well upon. No it's not. Not even close. We are an empire now, and like every empire, we will crumble eventually.
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On March 16 2013 14:30 L0L wrote:
The entire world should be the United States. Murica!
You haven't given the subject any thought whatsoever, yet you think you're so cool because you can drop by a thread and make a one-line post bashing America. You're so cool, I want to be just like you when I grow up.
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Isn't there a smaller Spanish-speaking country close to Mexico that was looking into this (and I mean seriously looking into this) a while ago? Sorry if my knowledge of geopolitics isn't up-to-date.
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" If these countries agree to uphold the Constitution, protect freedom (free speech, bearing arms, freedom of religion, etc.)"
Then I saw Israel is tied with Korea with 2 votes and I'm confused.
This sounds like some kind of mutual imperialism with assumptions I don't really agree with. In my ideal future, North America becomes equivocal to what the Europe is. North America, Europe, Asia, etc. cooperate under an entity similar to the United Nations. Why should other countries join the U.S. Why shouldn't the U.S. join another country? I don't think there should be a leading country but a coalition of leading unions.
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The United Kingdom should clearly become part of the United States. We have such a rich history of friendship and have never had a major quarrel of any kind.
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On March 16 2013 14:29 Arctic Daishi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 14:28 hoby2000 wrote:On March 16 2013 14:17 Arctic Daishi wrote:
Instead of always trying to join bureaucratic, undemocratic and often times anti-freedom international organizations, why not simply enlarge the United States? The United States is the greatest form of governance ever imagined, we already have the perfect framework in place to let other countries and territories join us.
We could actively work over the course of the next few decades to build very close relations with other countries. If these countries agree to uphold the Constitution, protect freedom (free speech, bearing arms, freedom of religion, etc.) and maintain a democratic/republican form of government then there is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to join.
Shouldn't our government do that first before trying to get other countries to do it? and I hate to tell you this, but the US is a failed experiment in human freedom. They had the right ideas, but unfortunately, they got completely raped and pillaged by greedy men who decided they needed to run the world. I'm not going to say that this is how the world will always be, but there isn't much evidence of change, and in fact I would say that it's quite the opposite. If anything, our government system is about to collapse on itself, and you think it's a bright idea to invite other countries into this collapse? We should probably wait until we reform our government to cope with modern day technology and ways of thinking. Who is to say we can't restore the Constitution and work to build closer relations with other nations at the same time?
Tell me the last time progress was made in Congress, the Senate, or the House of Representatives. It's the same old dudes who have been in their, making the same choices. They just have different faces and different names. They've manipulated our system so they can literally put whoever they need in replacement of their spot. If that's not obvious, or you think I'm crazy, look at how much hasn't changed in the past 50 years. War on Drugs started in the 70's, we've been sending troops to Kuwait, Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, among others, and our economy is a constant state of flux. While fluxes are normal for economies, we experience increased booms and busts every time either happens.
And this has all been going on for at least 50 years, if not longer.
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Let's talk when you have put that 51st star on your flag for Puerto Rico.
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I can't believe this is a topic lol... -__-
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On March 16 2013 14:17 Arctic Daishi wrote:
... The United States is the greatest form of governance ever imagined, we already have the perfect framework in place to let other countries and territories join us.
That's all, and thanks for the lols...
Seriously, if you're serious, you SERIOUSLY need to travel. What I think you are trying to say is that WITH the perfect form of governance, all the people of the world should reap the benefits of that government. However. That is a very different statement.
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There is absolutely no way Canada will join the United States lol.
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On March 16 2013 14:31 hoby2000 wrote:No way dude. No country is better off than any other country. Claiming that we're better off than Europe shows you don't understand how the world economy works. If one country is going down, they all go down at the same time. Remember how Greece was in a lot of debt? And now France is? This isn't a coincedence. And how you can you say most of the world holds a positive view based on a wikipedia article? Which people are they interviewing? We're practically terrorists. The US is honestly no different than most countries in the middle east that are stirring up wars there. Centered around mostly one religion (Freedom of religion exists in the US, but it's dominated by christian sects), perceive us as being the bad guy, consistently tring to invade other countries. God, it's really pathetic sometimes that people honestly believe that the US is looked well upon. No it's not. Not even close. We are an empire now, and like every empire, we will crumble eventually.
I never said America is "better" than any other country, merely that the Constitution is the greatest form of government possible. We have the framework to create a free and prosperous world and it would be crime against humanity to not utilize it.
Something tells me all of the polling data from reputable polling sources is more reliable than a 12 year old kid from Denmark. Not once did I mention anything about invading other countries or "stirring up wars," yet you still attack me fervently based on your misconceptions. You need to abandon your biases, instead of lashing out against people and concepts you do not understand, perhaps you should take the time out to think critically and seriously consider ideas placed before you.
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Because most of the time people don't know/understand about USA's economy/politics/racial diverse,....., for example, most people I talk to don't even know that USA has 13% of population is Africans, 5% is Asian, all of them think USA is 100% white. You'd be surprised to know that up until Obama became the President, a lot of people discover that there are African American in USA. Because of that US has always been the Promise Land, everybody seems to want to live the American Dream, until they move to USA and be deeply disappointed.
Don't get me wrong. USA is still a great country, but to me it's just the standard of the standard. It's not the best in every fields out there but certainly not the worst.
And yeah, fuk no gun control...
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Cons:
No gun control
Corrupt political system
Worst education and health system per national wealth in the world
Slave labour in prisons
Large amounts of racism and religious/sexual etc intolerance.
Large portions of the world quite angry with it due to brutish foriegn policies
Pros:
Has Day[9]
Woo! America! Sign me up!
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On March 16 2013 14:34 Narfin wrote:
The United Kingdom should clearly become part of the United States. We have such a rich history of friendship and have never had a major quarrel of any kind.
Your sarcasm aside, I think if you did research on the subject, you would find that we have a close relationship unrivaled by any other.
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Obviously the UK. They copied our language and get all wet when the president calls them a friend.
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When I went back to Vancouver from San Francisco's airport, I went to the international side and asked them to check my luggage. They told me that Canada was on the domestic side. I asked them was Canada the 51th state.
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On March 16 2013 14:40 Arctic Daishi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 14:31 hoby2000 wrote:No way dude. No country is better off than any other country. Claiming that we're better off than Europe shows you don't understand how the world economy works. If one country is going down, they all go down at the same time. Remember how Greece was in a lot of debt? And now France is? This isn't a coincedence. And how you can you say most of the world holds a positive view based on a wikipedia article? Which people are they interviewing? We're practically terrorists. The US is honestly no different than most countries in the middle east that are stirring up wars there. Centered around mostly one religion (Freedom of religion exists in the US, but it's dominated by christian sects), perceive us as being the bad guy, consistently tring to invade other countries. God, it's really pathetic sometimes that people honestly believe that the US is looked well upon. No it's not. Not even close. We are an empire now, and like every empire, we will crumble eventually. I never said America is "better" than any other country, merely that the Constitution is the greatest form of government possible. We have the framework to create a free and prosperous world and it would be crime against humanity to not utilize it. Something tells me all of the polling data from reputable polling sources is more reliable than a 12 year old kid from Denmark. Not once did I mention anything about invading other countries or "stirring up wars," yet you still attack me fervently based on your misconceptions. You need to abandon your biases, instead of lashing out against people and concepts you do not understand, perhaps you should take the time out to think critically and seriously consider ideas placed before you.
No, the constitution is not the "greatest form of government possible." That's a very asinine assumption to make, seeing how you're discounting any future government ideas. It has great ideas, but ultimately it still lends it's hand to those who want power and fame. I gave examples such as invading other countries, forcing religious laws down people's throats, and taking away freedoms one by one (police drones, partiot act, whatver makes it now so Obama can kill someone without reason) because it shows that the constitution is inherently flawed. It's not the greatest outline for a government, and it never will be. There are a lot of improvements ot be made, and alot of rethinking to be done.
And your assumption that I haven't done my critical thinking shows more about you than it does about me. I gave you very good reasons as to why our government is not a good basis to go off of, and you discarded them because they looked like random points, but they weren't. Those actions are relative to how our country works. Even more so, the fact that you're defending it tooth and nail shows you're being more biased than I am.
I live in the same country as you, and have read a lot of books about not just politics, but also psychology, sociology, and philosophy because they all relate to each other. I'm not saying this because I want the US to be destroyed or fall - I'm saying this because that's the way it's headed, and I want to change it too, but reviving the Constitution is not the answer.
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Canada, let's give Russia a run for it's money in the area of largest country in the world.
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Hnnnng, on the very edge of being flamed. I like my country just fine thanks, almighty american.
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On March 16 2013 14:31 hoby2000 wrote:No way dude. No country is better off than any other country. Claiming that we're better off than Europe shows you don't understand how the world economy works. If one country is going down, they all go down at the same time. Remember how Greece was in a lot of debt? And now France is? This isn't a coincedence. And how you can you say most of the world holds a positive view based on a wikipedia article? Which people are they interviewing? We're practically terrorists. The US is honestly no different than most countries in the middle east that are stirring up wars there. Centered around mostly one religion (Freedom of religion exists in the US, but it's dominated by christian sects), perceive us as being the bad guy, consistently tring to invade other countries. God, it's really pathetic sometimes that people honestly believe that the US is looked well upon. No it's not. Not even close. We are an empire now, and like every empire, we will crumble eventually.
Really no country is better off than any other country? I mean I'm all for equality, but I don't think North Korean immigration is exactly turning people away
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On March 16 2013 14:49 feanor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 14:31 hoby2000 wrote:No way dude. No country is better off than any other country. Claiming that we're better off than Europe shows you don't understand how the world economy works. If one country is going down, they all go down at the same time. Remember how Greece was in a lot of debt? And now France is? This isn't a coincedence. And how you can you say most of the world holds a positive view based on a wikipedia article? Which people are they interviewing? We're practically terrorists. The US is honestly no different than most countries in the middle east that are stirring up wars there. Centered around mostly one religion (Freedom of religion exists in the US, but it's dominated by christian sects), perceive us as being the bad guy, consistently tring to invade other countries. God, it's really pathetic sometimes that people honestly believe that the US is looked well upon. No it's not. Not even close. We are an empire now, and like every empire, we will crumble eventually. Really no country is better off than any other country? I mean I'm all for equality, but I don't think North Korean immigration is exactly turning people away
I meant economy wise. Had you read the whole paragraph, instead of the first sentence, you would have understood what I meant.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
get the johto region. and also cayman islands
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On March 16 2013 14:37 ThePol002 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 14:17 Arctic Daishi wrote:
... The United States is the greatest form of governance ever imagined, we already have the perfect framework in place to let other countries and territories join us.
That's all, and thanks for the lols... Seriously, if you're serious, you SERIOUSLY need to travel. What I think you are trying to say is that WITH the perfect form of governance, all the people of the world should reap the benefits of that government. However. That is a very different statement.
The greatest.
There ever was.
And will ever be.
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On March 16 2013 14:31 Jonoman92 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 14:29 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Sometimes you guys make it really hard to not be one of those US bashing idiots....... You have no idea if OP is even from the US though. I guess you are a mod so you can IP check, but most of the time I don't take country settings as truth. And we're just trying to give you freedom you heathen,
Given the fact that it says US right next to his name you can assume....
not sure if troll or serious
On March 16 2013 14:53 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 14:37 ThePol002 wrote:On March 16 2013 14:17 Arctic Daishi wrote:
... The United States is the greatest form of governance ever imagined, we already have the perfect framework in place to let other countries and territories join us.
That's all, and thanks for the lols... Seriously, if you're serious, you SERIOUSLY need to travel. What I think you are trying to say is that WITH the perfect form of governance, all the people of the world should reap the benefits of that government. However. That is a very different statement. The greatest. There ever was. And will ever be.
ASH KETCHUM was the greatest....
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Is this thread a fucking joke. Even as an American I can say that there is no fucking way in hell this is the "greatest country in the world" all the patriotic bullshit tries to get its citizens to believe. We don't need to be dragging other countries down with us, we need to sort out our own problems first.
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No other country in the world wants to be part of the ridiculousness that goes on in that country.
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You can only have one of those countries if you can locate it on a global map <3
The fact that this thread was made, goes hand in hand with why other countries would rather just stick it out alone haha
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On March 16 2013 14:55 SmileZerg wrote:
Is this thread a fucking joke. Even as an American I can say that there is no fucking way in hell this is the "greatest country in the world" all the patriotic bullshit tries to get its citizens to believe. We don't need to be dragging other countries down with us, we need to sort out our own problems first.
Just to clarify, he did say we had the greatest government, not country. Not much of a difference, but one none the less.
I agree though. I read the OP, and prayed that no one agreed with it. For once, TL.net did not make me want to throw up in disgust.
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On March 16 2013 14:55 -Kaiser- wrote:
No other country in the world wants to be part of the ridiculousness that goes on in that country.
But the OP says that everyone thinks of us so well!
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Actually, you can have Quebec. But that's it.
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On March 16 2013 14:43 Zrana wrote:
Cons:
No gun control
Corrupt political system
Worst education and health system per national wealth in the world
Slave labour in prisons
Large amounts of racism and religious/sexual etc intolerance.
Large portions of the world quite angry with it due to brutish foriegn policies
Pros:
Has Day[9]
Woo! America! Sign me up!
I don't think you know anything about the United States.
>You're joking right? There's far too much draconian gun control in the United States. Rest assured however, we the people are fighting to restore our gun rights.
>Transparency International ranks the United States above most European countries and the same as your own. This is irrelevant, however, as each state has it's own election laws, so countries that join us can keep their electoral system.
>Education/healthcare/welfare are state issues. Countries that join the United States can keep their own education/healthcare/welfare system.
>??? State issue.
>I don't think you know anything about the United States. Even if it were true, it wouldn't matter, unless of course you think being part of the same organization as Chicago will automatically turn all of your citizens into racist anti-Semites.
>Already debunked this on page 1. Largely irrelevant however, as I already outlined our foreign policy in the original post.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Keep garbage like this off TL plz.
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