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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 01 2018 14:16 GMT
#199801
Example 3,328 on how Capitalism is not sustainable in the Healthcare field.

In the face of surging prescription drug prices, some US states are proposing to import medicines in bulk from Canada, where many drugs are cheaper thanks to government price controls.

Vermont lawmakers are considering legislation to create an agency which would buy popular prescription medicines in bulk from Canada, and then distribute to pharmacies in the state. Utah, Oklahoma and West Virginia have proposed similar measures.

The state senator Ginny Lyons, who sponsored the Vermont bill, said that without government price controls, “pharmaceutical companies are getting away with murder,” in the US.

“People are making choices between food and prescription drugs. We can’t allow that to continue, so we’re trying to take matters into our own hands,” she said.

Lyons acknowledged the bill is a “first step” to reign in spending, but hopes it will spur Congress to act. The federal government would need to approve any bulk importing program.

“When a lot of little fish get together, it has meaning for the members of Congress.”

The desperate move comes as the cost of pharmaceuticals is expected to grow faster than other US healthcare spending in the next decade.

Meanwhile, unpredictable – and sometimes dramatic – increases in drug costs make it nearly impossible for states to budget year-to-year.

Medicaid, the public health program that insures 70 million poor and disabled Americans, is jointly run by the state and federal government. But states have a limited number of tools legally available to negotiate drug prices with manufacturers.

As a result, mid-year drug approvals and steep price hikes can throw a state’s entire health budget off course.

For example, between 2014 and 2015m Medicaid drug spending increased by $3.7bn or 13% year-over-year. That jump was largely attributed to two new hepatitis C drugs which each cost more than $80,000 per treatment.

One of those hepatitis C drugs, called Sovaldi, is a good example of how prices can vary between countries. In the US, a course of Sovaldi lasts 12 weeks and costs $90,000 US retail.

American insurers typically negotiate a discount of 41%, according to a Bloomberg News analysis. That puts the cost of the drug at $17,700 per month in the US.

But in the United Kingdom, that drug costs $16,770 per month, and in Canada $14,493.

For an even more dramatic example, consider Gleevec, a leukemia drug. It costs $10,122 in the US, $2,645 in the UK, and $2,420 in Canada.

“Our Medicaid drug prices, particularly for specialty drugs, are way over the top,” said Lyons. “So, we’re trying to identify those drugs where the cost has escalated in the past few years, or the payment per dose is very high as compared with Canada.”

The United States has the most expensive health system in the world; Americans pay on average three times more than British people for top-selling prescription drugs.

Prescription drugs are be no means cheap in Canada: surveys suggest it is one of the most expensive countries in the world after the US, and a recent study found that nearly 1 million Canadians per year sacrifice groceries or heating to afford pharmaceuticals.

Canadian drug policy experts warned that importing drugs from Canada is unlikely to provide nationwide relief in America.

Dr Joel Lexchin, a former emergency department physician and drug policy expert from York University in Toronto, Canada, said that it’s “fine for an individual” to drive up to Canada and buy drugs, but that the US government needs to tackle drug pricing for a sustainable solution.

“Even if the US bought every pill in Canada, you have almost 10 times the population. This is not going to solve the problem of drug prices in the United States,” said Lexchin. “The solution is for the US to start regulating its own prices. And you can do that.”

Officials at Health Canada said they were aware of the proposals but said it was too early to comment.

Pharmaceutical lobbyists vehemently oppose importing drugs from Canada, and have argued the drugs are not safe. The industry spent $277m on attempts to influence members of Congress in 2017 alone.


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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 01 2018 15:16 GMT
#199802




Prepare for the international knife fight, because it starts later today.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7917 Posts
March 01 2018 15:36 GMT
#199803
On March 01 2018 21:20 a_flayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2018 19:49 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On March 01 2018 19:41 a_flayer wrote:
If only he could have killed himself sooner so he wouldn't have wasted precious medical resources, right?

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/28/criminalization-of-debt-imprisonment-aclu-report/

On Christmas Eve in 2013, an out-of-work welder named Rex Iverson was rushed to a Utah hospital. He survived, but was hit with a hefty bill for the ambulance ride. There is a widespread assumption that that indigent patients never have to pay emergency room bills they can’t afford, and instead the cost is passed on to those with insurance.

But in fact, companies and municipalities pursue such debts aggressively. In Iverson’s case, the city operating the ambulance service won a $2,300 judgement against him in small claims court, but he had no wages to garnish. A judge issued a warrant for Iverson when he didn’t return to court to discuss the unpaid debt.

“We go to great lengths to never arrest anybody on these warrants,” Box Elder County Chief Deputy Sheriff Dale Ward later said. “But we make every effort to resolve the issues without making an arrest on a civil bench warrant. The reason we do that is we don’t want to run a debtors’ prison. There is no reason for someone to be rotting in jail on a bad debt.”

In January 2016, a deputy sheriff knocked on Iverson’s door and arrested him. The judge had set a $350 bail, which Iverson told jail officials he could not pay. Later the same day, Iverson, 45, was found dead in a holding cell, an all-too-common occurrence in American jails. An investigation determined that he had killed himself by ingesting strychnine poison.


The full Intercept article also links to an interesting report by the ACLU:

https://www.aclu.org/report/pound-flesh-criminalization-private-debt

This is the kind of thing that makes me think things like "corporatocracy" and "class- or economic warfare/terrorism".

This is beyond horrifying.

And it won't change until the people who bear responsibility for this sort of thing (economic terrorism) feel the same kind of pressure as that man felt while he was in prison. I reckon that won't be until their head is stuck between two poles with a sharp bit of metal at the top coming down at a rapid pace. They have no concept of empathy, so they simply must be forced to feel the same kind of terror and helplessness as someone who is willing to kill himself over his economic troubles.

I just don't get where the abysmal lack of empathy is coming from. The whole system motto could really be "fuck the weak"
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
March 01 2018 15:56 GMT
#199804
On March 01 2018 12:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


The timing of the tweet, in which Trump first mentioned Hillary's missing emails, gives it away. Shortly afterwards (several weeks) is when Trump publicly asked Russia to hack into Hillary's missing emails. That Trump intended to encourage Russia to hack Hillary's emails is pretty much undeniable.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-01 16:13:31
March 01 2018 16:08 GMT
#199805
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
March 01 2018 16:11 GMT
#199806
On March 02 2018 01:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/TalKopan/status/969231740316381184


Need context, was it a joke? I could see that line getting a laugh
Something witty
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 01 2018 16:13 GMT
#199807
Eh... i guess.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21960 Posts
March 01 2018 16:15 GMT
#199808
On March 02 2018 01:11 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2018 01:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/TalKopan/status/969231740316381184


Need context, was it a joke? I could see that line getting a laugh
Bit of yes and a bit of no.
The guy is playing nurse to a manchild.
for someone of his stature that is probably more then a little humiliating and definitely a punishment from god.
But someone has to do it to keep the country afloat.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-01 16:27:55
March 01 2018 16:26 GMT
#199809
The damage has pretty much been done, guarantee Mexico is already looking towards Brazil not only for Corn, and Beef, but now Steel.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
March 01 2018 16:28 GMT
#199810
On March 02 2018 01:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The damage has pretty much been done, guarantee Mexico is already looking towards Brazil not only for Corn, and Beef, but now Steel.

https://twitter.com/ReutersBiz/status/969247200579551232


But Plansix promised me a knife fight
Something witty
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-01 16:32:41
March 01 2018 16:31 GMT
#199811
On March 02 2018 01:28 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2018 01:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The damage has pretty much been done, guarantee Mexico is already looking towards Brazil not only for Corn, and Beef, but now Steel.

https://twitter.com/ReutersBiz/status/969247200579551232


But Plansix promised me a knife fight

This is the knife fight. Steel gets jobs, corn gets fucked, the EU goes after whisky. Its countries just cutting each other over and over until everyone realizes this is a terrible idea. Or it escalates further. Countries are going to slap the US just to make sure we knock it off.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-01 16:32:50
March 01 2018 16:32 GMT
#199812
On March 02 2018 01:31 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2018 01:28 IyMoon wrote:
On March 02 2018 01:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The damage has pretty much been done, guarantee Mexico is already looking towards Brazil not only for Corn, and Beef, but now Steel.

https://twitter.com/ReutersBiz/status/969247200579551232


But Plansix promised me a knife fight

This is the knife fight. Steel gets jobs, corn gets fucked, the EU goes after whisky. Its countries just cutting each other over and over until everyone realizes this is a terrible idea. Or it escalates further.

It isn't exactly what they want and you prefaced it as something else. I bet it was intentional, shame on you. You should apologize. /s
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 01 2018 16:34 GMT
#199813
On March 02 2018 01:32 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2018 01:31 Plansix wrote:
On March 02 2018 01:28 IyMoon wrote:
On March 02 2018 01:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The damage has pretty much been done, guarantee Mexico is already looking towards Brazil not only for Corn, and Beef, but now Steel.

https://twitter.com/ReutersBiz/status/969247200579551232


But Plansix promised me a knife fight

This is the knife fight. Steel gets jobs, corn gets fucked, the EU goes after whisky. Its countries just cutting each other over and over until everyone realizes this is a terrible idea. Or it escalates further.

It isn't exactly what they want and you prefaced it as something else. I bet it was intentional, shame on you. You should apologize. /s

Sorry, I thought it was self evident that knife fights are terrible ideas. And even if you win a protracted knife fight, you still get super fucked up.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 01 2018 16:34 GMT
#199814
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
March 01 2018 16:44 GMT
#199815
On March 02 2018 01:34 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2018 01:32 Gahlo wrote:
On March 02 2018 01:31 Plansix wrote:
On March 02 2018 01:28 IyMoon wrote:
On March 02 2018 01:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The damage has pretty much been done, guarantee Mexico is already looking towards Brazil not only for Corn, and Beef, but now Steel.

https://twitter.com/ReutersBiz/status/969247200579551232


But Plansix promised me a knife fight

This is the knife fight. Steel gets jobs, corn gets fucked, the EU goes after whisky. Its countries just cutting each other over and over until everyone realizes this is a terrible idea. Or it escalates further.

It isn't exactly what they want and you prefaced it as something else. I bet it was intentional, shame on you. You should apologize. /s

Sorry, I thought it was self evident that knife fights are terrible ideas. And even if you win a protracted knife fight, you still get super fucked up.


What is that saying about knife fights? One goes to the morgue, one goes home to die slower
Something witty
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 01 2018 16:49 GMT
#199816
TRADE WARS

wonder how big the hit to the economy will be. poor jerome powell might want to rethink those interest rate hikes.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 01 2018 16:53 GMT
#199817
Now this is what we’ve been waiting since November ‘16 for. Go forth, Trump man, and make us proud!
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 01 2018 16:55 GMT
#199818
And all of this while China is about to have a large meltdown in economy...
Life?
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
March 01 2018 17:00 GMT
#199819
On March 02 2018 01:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
And all of this while China is about to have a large meltdown in economy...


What gives you that idea?
Something witty
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21960 Posts
March 01 2018 17:03 GMT
#199820
People have predicated the economic collapse of China for years, at some point they are bound to be right.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
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