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On February 15 2018 02:53 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2018 02:50 Plansix wrote:
Everyone involved at the FBI being fired when the IG’s report comes out sounds like some equally wishful thinking, TBH. But I agree that the whole Russia investigation should be discussed once it completes. The problem is there is an active effort preempt the IG’s report through discrediting the FBI. And the whole endless leaks about Trump looking to fire Mueller. It's not that everyone will be fired when the IG report comes out. Everyone already has been fired. The only senior guy left is Bill Priestap, whom some believe has been ratting out Comey, McCabe, Strzok, et al.
We can take that implying wrong doing. Though considering Trump fired Comey to end the Russian investigation, I don’t think that is 100% the case.
Another thing to consider is that the FBI has been used to investigate political opponents twice in short succession. First with Clinton and now Trump. In both case, the members of the party that controls congress are less than happy with the first investigation. Now, they can claim bias in the FBI, but that is a claim that greatly benefits them and criminal charges against a political opponent(Clinton) would also benefit the Republicans.
This is the current problem, the party bringing the claims against the FBI has reaped a windfall of political power based on the FBIs previous work and now some of them are trying to undercut the FBI in a clear effort to support the president.
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When GH, LL and xDaunt all agree on something Russia related, you can be 100% sure they are right. Orrrrrrr....
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On February 15 2018 03:04 Mohdoo wrote:
When GH, LL and xDaunt all agree on something Russia related, you can be 100% sure they are right. Orrrrrrr....
This is pathetic.
If you want to lump me in with xDaunt&LL on this you could at least have the decency to actually address the specific criticism I made of what you posted.
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The notion that Comey needed to be "ratted out" for something and then was fired is pretty silly. And there's no evidence to suggest the others improperly conducted the Russia investigation.
The FBI investigation of Trump and his campaign, of course, continues.
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On February 15 2018 02:50 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2018 02:43 Mohdoo wrote:On February 15 2018 02:41 xDaunt wrote:
GH is generally right in that y'all on the left would be better served to ignore the Russia collusion stuff. There's a very good chance that it boomerangs hard against democrats when the IG report comes out, particularly when you consider that pretty much everyone involved at the FBI has been terminated or forced to resign. This all may end up being a political boon to the democrats, but I think that possibility is becoming more remote. When the time comes, don't say I didn't warn you. Also very likely this whole uranium thing blows up, right? Do you remember the language you used when people doubted you then? Last I checked, the investigation into Uranium One has continued to escalate since I made those initial posts. And the big difference between Uranium One and the Russia/Trump collusion thing is that we can actually see money changing hands with regards to Uranium One. No such transactions have been surfaced on the Russia/Trump story. All we have are some contacts and a highly questionable dossier. More importantly, the media leaks that we have seeing regarding Mueller investigation have been stating for months that Mueller is more focused on obstruction of justice-type charges than some type of nefarious collusion. Again, we'll see how it shakes out, but I wouldn't hold your breath.
In the history of the world, has anybody tried so hard to end/slow down/discredit an investigation which would prove their innocence?
The idea that there is literally nothing to hide doesn't pass the eye test.
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On February 15 2018 03:08 Doodsmack wrote:
The notion that Comey needed to be "ratted out" for something and then was fired is pretty silly. And there's no evidence to suggest the others improperly conducted the Russia investigation.
The FBI investigation of Trump and his campaign, of course, continues.
Whoa there. Did you miss the part where members of the FBI hold political beliefs? The FBI, known for having extremely relaxed protocols regarding professionalism and procedure, is exactly the kind of place where people will conduct investigations based on their voting preference. Everyone basically just looks for criminals of opposing political beliefs.
Also important to point out the average education level of an FBI agent. Pretttty low! These are not the kinds of people you can expect to use any amount of critical thinking or discipline. It's just not how the FBI operates. It is the reason they basically never convict anyone.
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I just want to point out it is straight up illegal for the FBI/Justice/any Government agency to ask about someone political affiliation during the hiring process. It is assumed that anyone applying for the job will avoid letting their political opinions interfere with their work and they can be fired if they let that happen. And this topic barely came up during the what felt like decades of the Clinton investigation.
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On February 15 2018 03:09 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2018 02:50 xDaunt wrote:On February 15 2018 02:43 Mohdoo wrote:On February 15 2018 02:41 xDaunt wrote:
GH is generally right in that y'all on the left would be better served to ignore the Russia collusion stuff. There's a very good chance that it boomerangs hard against democrats when the IG report comes out, particularly when you consider that pretty much everyone involved at the FBI has been terminated or forced to resign. This all may end up being a political boon to the democrats, but I think that possibility is becoming more remote. When the time comes, don't say I didn't warn you. Also very likely this whole uranium thing blows up, right? Do you remember the language you used when people doubted you then? Last I checked, the investigation into Uranium One has continued to escalate since I made those initial posts. And the big difference between Uranium One and the Russia/Trump collusion thing is that we can actually see money changing hands with regards to Uranium One. No such transactions have been surfaced on the Russia/Trump story. All we have are some contacts and a highly questionable dossier. More importantly, the media leaks that we have seeing regarding Mueller investigation have been stating for months that Mueller is more focused on obstruction of justice-type charges than some type of nefarious collusion. Again, we'll see how it shakes out, but I wouldn't hold your breath. In the history of the world, has anybody tried so hard to end/slow down/discredit an investigation which would prove their innocence? The idea that there is literally nothing to hide doesn't pass the eye test.
The issue stopped being about whether Trump is innocent/guilty as soon as became obvious he and all of his crew are guilty. Notice xD doesn't talk any more about whether or not he is guilty. Its just about how good he is at hiding evidence and intimidating people with his office.
In the meantime, all the DNC/Uranium stuff is the most obvious distraction anyone has ever seen. Its mindblowing how determined people seem to be to carry on with a distraction tactic so utterly transparent.
Everyone can see what xDaunt is doing, everyone is saying it and has been for months, but he carries on anyway. I'll let you guys figure out what that means.
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On February 15 2018 03:04 Mohdoo wrote:
When GH, LL and xDaunt all agree on something Russia related, you can be 100% sure they are right. Orrrrrrr....
I have to say it's quite a shame you've mostly devolved into just peddling whatever feel-good crap makes you feel better in the moment and not expending any effort on judging things for correctness. I suppose a full year of Trump being in power with an inept Democratic party makes it easy to take that route. They too mostly find the "foreign devil" approach best for explaining away anything and everything else.
Then again, you must be the only person I've ever seen for whom the DNC leaks were news, rather than just blatant confirmation of what was obvious from the outset. So I shouldn't be surprised.
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On February 15 2018 02:41 xDaunt wrote:
GH is generally right in that y'all on the left would be better served to ignore the Russia collusion stuff. There's a very good chance that it boomerangs hard against democrats when the IG report comes out, particularly when you consider that pretty much everyone involved at the FBI has been terminated or forced to resign. This all may end up being a political boon to the democrats, but I think that possibility is becoming more remote. When the time comes, don't say I didn't warn you.
Is this like the Nunes memo again?
Remind me how that ended.
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On February 15 2018 03:20 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2018 03:04 Mohdoo wrote:
When GH, LL and xDaunt all agree on something Russia related, you can be 100% sure they are right. Orrrrrrr.... I have to say it's quite a shame you've mostly devolved into just peddling whatever feel-good crap makes you feel better in the moment and not expending any effort on judging things for correctness. I suppose a full year of Trump being in power with an inept Democratic party makes it easy to take that route. They too mostly find the "foreign devil" approach best for explaining away anything and everything else. Then again, you must be the only person I've ever seen for whom the DNC leaks were news, rather than just blatant confirmation of what was obvious from the outset. So I shouldn't be surprised.
I think the problem is we didn't get to have our beliefs about the RNC confirmed, despite the fact that they were also hacked.
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On February 15 2018 03:18 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2018 03:09 On_Slaught wrote:On February 15 2018 02:50 xDaunt wrote:On February 15 2018 02:43 Mohdoo wrote:On February 15 2018 02:41 xDaunt wrote:
GH is generally right in that y'all on the left would be better served to ignore the Russia collusion stuff. There's a very good chance that it boomerangs hard against democrats when the IG report comes out, particularly when you consider that pretty much everyone involved at the FBI has been terminated or forced to resign. This all may end up being a political boon to the democrats, but I think that possibility is becoming more remote. When the time comes, don't say I didn't warn you. Also very likely this whole uranium thing blows up, right? Do you remember the language you used when people doubted you then? Last I checked, the investigation into Uranium One has continued to escalate since I made those initial posts. And the big difference between Uranium One and the Russia/Trump collusion thing is that we can actually see money changing hands with regards to Uranium One. No such transactions have been surfaced on the Russia/Trump story. All we have are some contacts and a highly questionable dossier. More importantly, the media leaks that we have seeing regarding Mueller investigation have been stating for months that Mueller is more focused on obstruction of justice-type charges than some type of nefarious collusion. Again, we'll see how it shakes out, but I wouldn't hold your breath. In the history of the world, has anybody tried so hard to end/slow down/discredit an investigation which would prove their innocence? The idea that there is literally nothing to hide doesn't pass the eye test. The issue stopped being about whether Trump is innocent/guilty as soon as became obvious he and all of his crew are guilty. Notice xD doesn't talk any more about whether or not he is guilty. Its just about how good he is at hiding evidence and intimidating people with his office. In the meantime, all the DNC/Uranium stuff is the most obvious distraction anyone has ever seen. Its mindblowing how determined people seem to be to carry on with a distraction tactic so utterly transparent. Everyone can see what xDaunt is doing, everyone is saying it and has been for months, but he carries on anyway. I'll let you guys figure out what that means.
Fake skepticism has historically been the best way to make other people skeptical and lose faith/hope in existing beliefs. It is the same thing Russian trolls have done on Reddit/Twitter/etc. Spreading skepticism of existing ideas is much harder than getting people to subscribe to new ideas.
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On February 15 2018 03:18 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2018 03:09 On_Slaught wrote:On February 15 2018 02:50 xDaunt wrote:On February 15 2018 02:43 Mohdoo wrote:On February 15 2018 02:41 xDaunt wrote:
GH is generally right in that y'all on the left would be better served to ignore the Russia collusion stuff. There's a very good chance that it boomerangs hard against democrats when the IG report comes out, particularly when you consider that pretty much everyone involved at the FBI has been terminated or forced to resign. This all may end up being a political boon to the democrats, but I think that possibility is becoming more remote. When the time comes, don't say I didn't warn you. Also very likely this whole uranium thing blows up, right? Do you remember the language you used when people doubted you then? Last I checked, the investigation into Uranium One has continued to escalate since I made those initial posts. And the big difference between Uranium One and the Russia/Trump collusion thing is that we can actually see money changing hands with regards to Uranium One. No such transactions have been surfaced on the Russia/Trump story. All we have are some contacts and a highly questionable dossier. More importantly, the media leaks that we have seeing regarding Mueller investigation have been stating for months that Mueller is more focused on obstruction of justice-type charges than some type of nefarious collusion. Again, we'll see how it shakes out, but I wouldn't hold your breath. In the history of the world, has anybody tried so hard to end/slow down/discredit an investigation which would prove their innocence? The idea that there is literally nothing to hide doesn't pass the eye test. The issue stopped being about whether Trump is innocent/guilty as soon as became obvious he and all of his crew are guilty. Notice xD doesn't talk any more about whether or not he is guilty. Its just about how good he is at hiding evidence and intimidating people with his office. In the meantime, all the DNC/Uranium stuff is the most obvious distraction anyone has ever seen. Its mindblowing how determined people seem to be to carry on with a distraction tactic so utterly transparent. Everyone can see what xDaunt is doing, everyone is saying it and has been for months, but he carries on anyway. I'll let you guys figure out what that means.
I'm not sure why you think that it is "obvious" that Trump is guilty of collusion. It certainly isn't obvious to anyone else who isn't hallucinating. I'm still waiting for some evidence showing whether the dossier is true or false. One thing to note is that Buzzfeed has been sued for defamation by some people named in the dossier. Buzzfeed is currently scrambling to find evidence corroborating the dossier, going so far as to sue the DNC to find such evidence. In short, the Buzzfeed defamation suit may be our first chance to see how true the dossier is.
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On February 15 2018 03:23 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2018 03:20 LegalLord wrote:On February 15 2018 03:04 Mohdoo wrote:
When GH, LL and xDaunt all agree on something Russia related, you can be 100% sure they are right. Orrrrrrr.... I have to say it's quite a shame you've mostly devolved into just peddling whatever feel-good crap makes you feel better in the moment and not expending any effort on judging things for correctness. I suppose a full year of Trump being in power with an inept Democratic party makes it easy to take that route. They too mostly find the "foreign devil" approach best for explaining away anything and everything else. Then again, you must be the only person I've ever seen for whom the DNC leaks were news, rather than just blatant confirmation of what was obvious from the outset. So I shouldn't be surprised. I think the problem is we didn't get to have our beliefs about the RNC confirmed, despite the fact that they were also hacked.
Yeah but on the bright side you did get pussygate which should more or less make up for it.
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On February 15 2018 03:23 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2018 03:20 LegalLord wrote:On February 15 2018 03:04 Mohdoo wrote:
When GH, LL and xDaunt all agree on something Russia related, you can be 100% sure they are right. Orrrrrrr.... I have to say it's quite a shame you've mostly devolved into just peddling whatever feel-good crap makes you feel better in the moment and not expending any effort on judging things for correctness. I suppose a full year of Trump being in power with an inept Democratic party makes it easy to take that route. They too mostly find the "foreign devil" approach best for explaining away anything and everything else. Then again, you must be the only person I've ever seen for whom the DNC leaks were news, rather than just blatant confirmation of what was obvious from the outset. So I shouldn't be surprised. I think the problem is we didn't get to have our beliefs about the RNC confirmed, despite the fact that they were also hacked.
Clearly there was nothing salacious in the RNC hacked files. No way Russian hackers didn't release them because it was contrary to their agenda. /s
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I am excited to see that defamation case fail, just like the majority of defamation cases against news papers do.
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On February 15 2018 03:25 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2018 03:18 Jockmcplop wrote:On February 15 2018 03:09 On_Slaught wrote:On February 15 2018 02:50 xDaunt wrote:On February 15 2018 02:43 Mohdoo wrote:On February 15 2018 02:41 xDaunt wrote:
GH is generally right in that y'all on the left would be better served to ignore the Russia collusion stuff. There's a very good chance that it boomerangs hard against democrats when the IG report comes out, particularly when you consider that pretty much everyone involved at the FBI has been terminated or forced to resign. This all may end up being a political boon to the democrats, but I think that possibility is becoming more remote. When the time comes, don't say I didn't warn you. Also very likely this whole uranium thing blows up, right? Do you remember the language you used when people doubted you then? Last I checked, the investigation into Uranium One has continued to escalate since I made those initial posts. And the big difference between Uranium One and the Russia/Trump collusion thing is that we can actually see money changing hands with regards to Uranium One. No such transactions have been surfaced on the Russia/Trump story. All we have are some contacts and a highly questionable dossier. More importantly, the media leaks that we have seeing regarding Mueller investigation have been stating for months that Mueller is more focused on obstruction of justice-type charges than some type of nefarious collusion. Again, we'll see how it shakes out, but I wouldn't hold your breath. In the history of the world, has anybody tried so hard to end/slow down/discredit an investigation which would prove their innocence? The idea that there is literally nothing to hide doesn't pass the eye test. The issue stopped being about whether Trump is innocent/guilty as soon as became obvious he and all of his crew are guilty. Notice xD doesn't talk any more about whether or not he is guilty. Its just about how good he is at hiding evidence and intimidating people with his office. In the meantime, all the DNC/Uranium stuff is the most obvious distraction anyone has ever seen. Its mindblowing how determined people seem to be to carry on with a distraction tactic so utterly transparent. Everyone can see what xDaunt is doing, everyone is saying it and has been for months, but he carries on anyway. I'll let you guys figure out what that means. I'm not sure why you think that it is "obvious" that Trump is guilty of collusion. It certainly isn't obvious to anyone else who isn't hallucinating. I'm still waiting for some evidence showing whether the dossier is true or false. One thing to note is that Buzzfeed has been sued for defamation by some people named in the dossier. Buzzfeed is currently scrambling to find evidence corroborating the dossier, going so far as to sue the DNC to find such evidence. In short, the Buzzfeed defamation suit may be our first chance to see how true the dossier is.
Its not all about the dossier, but I can see why you would want our attention pointed in that direction. Nice try.
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On February 15 2018 03:26 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2018 03:23 Plansix wrote:On February 15 2018 03:20 LegalLord wrote:On February 15 2018 03:04 Mohdoo wrote:
When GH, LL and xDaunt all agree on something Russia related, you can be 100% sure they are right. Orrrrrrr.... I have to say it's quite a shame you've mostly devolved into just peddling whatever feel-good crap makes you feel better in the moment and not expending any effort on judging things for correctness. I suppose a full year of Trump being in power with an inept Democratic party makes it easy to take that route. They too mostly find the "foreign devil" approach best for explaining away anything and everything else. Then again, you must be the only person I've ever seen for whom the DNC leaks were news, rather than just blatant confirmation of what was obvious from the outset. So I shouldn't be surprised. I think the problem is we didn't get to have our beliefs about the RNC confirmed, despite the fact that they were also hacked. Yeah but on the bright side you did get pussygate which should more or less make up for it.
I don't think it does really. Paul Ryan's super tasty extra mild chili recipe and "how to do a keg stand while planning to gut Medicare" will forever be beyond my reach now. Plus all the endless dirt we would have on how much money they took in from billionaires.
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On February 15 2018 03:28 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2018 03:25 xDaunt wrote:On February 15 2018 03:18 Jockmcplop wrote:On February 15 2018 03:09 On_Slaught wrote:On February 15 2018 02:50 xDaunt wrote:On February 15 2018 02:43 Mohdoo wrote:On February 15 2018 02:41 xDaunt wrote:
GH is generally right in that y'all on the left would be better served to ignore the Russia collusion stuff. There's a very good chance that it boomerangs hard against democrats when the IG report comes out, particularly when you consider that pretty much everyone involved at the FBI has been terminated or forced to resign. This all may end up being a political boon to the democrats, but I think that possibility is becoming more remote. When the time comes, don't say I didn't warn you. Also very likely this whole uranium thing blows up, right? Do you remember the language you used when people doubted you then? Last I checked, the investigation into Uranium One has continued to escalate since I made those initial posts. And the big difference between Uranium One and the Russia/Trump collusion thing is that we can actually see money changing hands with regards to Uranium One. No such transactions have been surfaced on the Russia/Trump story. All we have are some contacts and a highly questionable dossier. More importantly, the media leaks that we have seeing regarding Mueller investigation have been stating for months that Mueller is more focused on obstruction of justice-type charges than some type of nefarious collusion. Again, we'll see how it shakes out, but I wouldn't hold your breath. In the history of the world, has anybody tried so hard to end/slow down/discredit an investigation which would prove their innocence? The idea that there is literally nothing to hide doesn't pass the eye test. The issue stopped being about whether Trump is innocent/guilty as soon as became obvious he and all of his crew are guilty. Notice xD doesn't talk any more about whether or not he is guilty. Its just about how good he is at hiding evidence and intimidating people with his office. In the meantime, all the DNC/Uranium stuff is the most obvious distraction anyone has ever seen. Its mindblowing how determined people seem to be to carry on with a distraction tactic so utterly transparent. Everyone can see what xDaunt is doing, everyone is saying it and has been for months, but he carries on anyway. I'll let you guys figure out what that means. I'm not sure why you think that it is "obvious" that Trump is guilty of collusion. It certainly isn't obvious to anyone else who isn't hallucinating. I'm still waiting for some evidence showing whether the dossier is true or false. One thing to note is that Buzzfeed has been sued for defamation by some people named in the dossier. Buzzfeed is currently scrambling to find evidence corroborating the dossier, going so far as to sue the DNC to find such evidence. In short, the Buzzfeed defamation suit may be our first chance to see how true the dossier is. Its not all about the dossier, but I can see why you would want our attention pointed in that direction. Nice try.
All the same people you are arguing with believed Flynn was 100% clean at one point. The goal post will just keep moving until "We all knew this was possible".
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On February 15 2018 03:01 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2018 02:41 xDaunt wrote:
GH is generally right in that y'all on the left would be better served to ignore the Russia collusion stuff. There's a very good chance that it boomerangs hard against democrats when the IG report comes out, particularly when you consider that pretty much everyone involved at the FBI has been terminated or forced to resign. This all may end up being a political boon to the democrats, but I think that possibility is becoming more remote. When the time comes, don't say I didn't warn you. Ok, well since you said so.
I believe a good piece of legal advice is "don't take advice from opposing counsel". 
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