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On January 26 2018 07:43 Plansix wrote:
It is funding for the wall and some other immigration concession. No merit based system, but they want to stop immigrants from bringing over parents(?). I’m pretty sure the parent thing is DOA. They also want to speed up deportations and increase the number of deportations. And there is a quote form ICE floating around where they straight up say “After March 5th, we will deport Dreamers if we come in contact with them.” The part that is left out is they have the address of ever person protected by DACA.
Its seems like a lot of concessions, but most of this stuff Trump could do on his own. There might be a chance to cut this deal if Trump can keep Miller from fucking it up.
According to the BBC, Miller is the one who announced the deal, so unlikely he would stop it. IMO the Dems run with this. You can always try and fix the parents thing another time. Getting protection for those 1.8 million is much more important atm.
The wall is whatever at this point. Let it sink the administration when it's a disaster or never gets done because it's in court forever.
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On January 26 2018 07:47 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 07:43 Plansix wrote:
It is funding for the wall and some other immigration concession. No merit based system, but they want to stop immigrants from bringing over parents(?). I’m pretty sure the parent thing is DOA. They also want to speed up deportations and increase the number of deportations. And there is a quote form ICE floating around where they straight up say “After March 5th, we will deport Dreamers if we come in contact with them.” The part that is left out is they have the address of ever person protected by DACA.
Its seems like a lot of concessions, but most of this stuff Trump could do on his own. There might be a chance to cut this deal if Trump can keep Miller from fucking it up. According to the BBC, Miller is the one who announced the deal, so unlikely he would stop it. IMO the Dems run with this. You can always try and fix the parents thing another time. Getting protection for those 1.8 million is much more important atm. The wall is whatever at this point. Let it sink the administration when it's a disaster or never gets done because it's in court forever.
I am 100% down with the wall we pay for just so I can point out how we are paying for it to every trump supporter I know
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Well it seems the wall isn't the issue but rather the crackdown and immigration change parts. A lot of Dems already saying no to the deal. I suppose those could be Pandora box. Still, I'm not sure how much better a deal the Dems could get. You can always return to those policies once you've taken back the government (however long that takes...).
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Is there a write up on this deal I can read?
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Double post, please delete
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On January 26 2018 07:59 IyMoon wrote:
Is there a write up on this deal I can read?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-immigration-plan-white-house.html
The crack down on immigration in writing seems a bit much. Trump controls ICE, so it isn't necessary. Speeding up deportations will be a problem as well, mostly because ICE has a bad habit of trying to deport US citizens/greencard holders.
Frankly, the wall is the easy part.
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On January 26 2018 07:03 KwarK wrote:
Next GH is going to allege that the CIA fucked up polio eradication efforts by using polio vaccination as a front to hunt for Bin Laden, or that the head of the CIA personally directed that missile parts be sent to Iran in payment for their intercession with Hezbollah.
Don't worry, you'll all be back to Russia, the last dumb thing Trump said and the panic it caused in no time. Meanwhile they'll keep extracting an overwhelming share of the wealth and concentrating it in fewer hands.
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There's no way you're going to get a DREAM bill passed in the current Congress without stopping the children who were brought here illegally from giving their parents a shortcut to the head of the citizenship/green card application line. It's just not going to happen. Worse, it flies in the face of all the Democrat messaging on the issue.
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The Dreamer expansion is huge (~800k --> 2 mil). Democrats should jump on this. I need to see if that chain migration offer is just for Dreamers or not. For 1.8 mil people it should be for immigration generally.
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On January 26 2018 08:08 Introvert wrote:https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/956660935976017921The Dreamer expansion is huge (~800k --> 2 mil). Democrats should jump on this. I need to see if that chain migration offer is just for Dreamers or not. For 1.8 mil people it should be for immigration generally.
Sign me up. All of this is totally fine by me.
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If the "chain migration" fix is only for the DACA/DREAM folks I don't see much of a problem. If it's all immigration it's quite a terrible idea (married people have talent and merit too).
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Also, we know the CIA and DEA wanted to go after Hezbollah drug businesses but we're stopped by the admin for the Iran deal. I'm going to go with, no, the CIA isn't helping run drug farms.
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On January 26 2018 08:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
If the "chain migration" fix is only for the DACA/DREAM folks I don't see much of a problem. If it's all immigration it's quite a terrible idea (married people have talent and merit too).
Read the tweet again. Spouses and minor children exempted.
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On January 26 2018 08:13 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 08:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
If the "chain migration" fix is only for the DACA/DREAM folks I don't see much of a problem. If it's all immigration it's quite a terrible idea (married people have talent and merit too). Read the tweet again. Spouses and minor children exempted.
Oh, definitely saw "including." My bad.
People with dependent parents are also people with talent and merit, though
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On January 26 2018 08:12 Introvert wrote:
Also, we know the CIA and DEA wanted to go after Hezbollah drug businesses but we're stopped by the admin for the Iran deal. I'm going to go with, no, the CIA isn't helping run drug farms.
Do you ever wonder why the US's attempts to stop drugs domestically or abroad almost always end with wealthy drug dealers, dead/imprisoned poor people, and an increase in drug use but the Taliban eradicated the entire poppy production in a year?
I know, I know, miraculous coincidence and incompetence.
It's not a pattern unique to the drug trade. There's a wide plethora of problems that the US has an uncanny way of fixing by both making them worse for oppressed people and more profitable for those on the top.
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Parents are a weird cut off, but I guess its because they came here illegal to begin with, so it sort of makes sense. I feel like if the parent is so ill they can no longer care for themselves, there should be an exception. If the Dreamer becomes a citizen, that is.
On January 26 2018 08:14 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 08:13 Introvert wrote:On January 26 2018 08:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
If the "chain migration" fix is only for the DACA/DREAM folks I don't see much of a problem. If it's all immigration it's quite a terrible idea (married people have talent and merit too). Read the tweet again. Spouses and minor children exempted. Oh, definitely saw "including." My bad. People with dependent parents are also people with talent and merit, though
The dreamers were brought here illegally by their parents, so it kinda makes sense. Not really "chain migration", though.
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On January 26 2018 08:16 Plansix wrote:Parents are a weird cut off, but I guess its because they came here illegal to begin with, so it sort of makes sense. I feel like if the parent is so ill they can no longer care for themselves, there should be an exception. If the Dreamer becomes a citizen, that is. Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 08:14 TheTenthDoc wrote:On January 26 2018 08:13 Introvert wrote:On January 26 2018 08:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
If the "chain migration" fix is only for the DACA/DREAM folks I don't see much of a problem. If it's all immigration it's quite a terrible idea (married people have talent and merit too). Read the tweet again. Spouses and minor children exempted. Oh, definitely saw "including." My bad. People with dependent parents are also people with talent and merit, though The dreamers were brought here illegally by their parents, so it kinda makes sense. Not really "chain migration", though.
Oh, I am totally fine with getting DREAM status including relinquishing the right to let your parent get an easier green card. I'm just not sure it makes sense to remove that ability for all citizens (birth or naturalized).
They're easier and more nuanced ways to deal with "birth tourism" imo.
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On January 26 2018 08:10 Mohdoo wrote:Sign me up. All of this is totally fine by me.
I would take this deal in a heartbeat. The dems should jump and claim a huge victory
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On January 26 2018 08:19 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 08:16 Plansix wrote:Parents are a weird cut off, but I guess its because they came here illegal to begin with, so it sort of makes sense. I feel like if the parent is so ill they can no longer care for themselves, there should be an exception. If the Dreamer becomes a citizen, that is. On January 26 2018 08:14 TheTenthDoc wrote:On January 26 2018 08:13 Introvert wrote:On January 26 2018 08:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
If the "chain migration" fix is only for the DACA/DREAM folks I don't see much of a problem. If it's all immigration it's quite a terrible idea (married people have talent and merit too). Read the tweet again. Spouses and minor children exempted. Oh, definitely saw "including." My bad. People with dependent parents are also people with talent and merit, though The dreamers were brought here illegally by their parents, so it kinda makes sense. Not really "chain migration", though. Oh, I am totally fine with getting DREAM status including relinquishing the right to let your parent get an easier green card. I'm just not sure it makes sense to remove that ability for all citizens (birth or naturalized).
Yes. That should only be for the dreamers, not for immigrants at large. That is another good way to kill immigration to this country, baring people from caring for their parents.
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On January 26 2018 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 08:12 Introvert wrote:
Also, we know the CIA and DEA wanted to go after Hezbollah drug businesses but we're stopped by the admin for the Iran deal. I'm going to go with, no, the CIA isn't helping run drug farms. Do you ever wonder why the US's attempts to stop drugs domestically or abroad almost always end with wealthy drug dealers, dead/imprisoned poor people, and an increase in drug use but the Taliban eradicated the entire poppy production in a year? I know, I know, miraculous coincidence and incompetence. It's not a pattern unique to the drug trade. There's a wide plethora of problems that the US has an uncanny way of fixing by both making them worse for oppressed people and more profitable for those on the top.
This is why people don't take your arguments seriously.
So, take half a second and answer: What happened to the Taliban after 2001?
You answer that and you know why they're growing opium now instead of stomping it out. There's no coincidence and no conspiracy.
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