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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43676 Posts
January 18 2018 15:06 GMT
#194361
So the cartels have trebuchet technology now? The wall surely cannot last.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18855 Posts
January 18 2018 15:06 GMT
#194362
Clearly, we just need to setup some kind of massive tower defense game along the border.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
January 18 2018 15:07 GMT
#194363
On January 19 2018 00:03 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2018 23:59 Acrofales wrote:
Why are we believing stuff posted on The Intercept and nowhere else?

I’ve seen that story for almost a year now, in different versions and publications. It has to be the brain child of some White House staffer that just won’t die.

Uh, I've seen "Erik Prince wants to take a private army into Afghanistan and strip mine the country" stories for a while, but I've never seen the "hire spies to spy on the real spies" before.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
January 18 2018 15:08 GMT
#194364
I still don't understand why he thinks the wall has to be transparent.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43676 Posts
January 18 2018 15:08 GMT
#194365
On January 19 2018 00:08 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
I still don't understand why he thinks the wall has to be transparent.

So you can see the trebuchets coming.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
January 18 2018 15:09 GMT
#194366
On January 19 2018 00:08 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2018 00:08 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
I still don't understand why he thinks the wall has to be transparent.

So you can see the trebuchets coming.

But you could stand on top of a solid nontransparent wall with a spyglass or a camera and see far across the border anyways....
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 18 2018 15:14 GMT
#194367
On January 19 2018 00:08 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
I still don't understand why he thinks the wall has to be transparent.

he's an idiot, why bother trying to understand it?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43676 Posts
January 18 2018 15:15 GMT
#194368
On January 19 2018 00:09 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2018 00:08 KwarK wrote:
On January 19 2018 00:08 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
I still don't understand why he thinks the wall has to be transparent.

So you can see the trebuchets coming.

But you could stand on top of a solid nontransparent wall with a spyglass or a camera and see far across the border anyways....

yes, but you asked why Trump thinks the walls have to be transparent. Trump thinks the walls have to be transparent so you can see the trebuchets before it starts raining 60lb bags of heroin upon the good people manning the wall with devastating effect.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 18 2018 15:16 GMT
#194369
On January 19 2018 00:06 farvacola wrote:
Clearly, we just need to setup some kind of massive tower defense game along the border.

Do we use towers with high range or low range but high damage?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
January 18 2018 15:16 GMT
#194370
On January 19 2018 00:08 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
I still don't understand why he thinks the wall has to be transparent.

So he can just make a simple fence and be done with it
Neosteel Enthusiast
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-18 15:21:25
January 18 2018 15:21 GMT
#194371
I’m slowing coming around on the wall. Of all the Trump plans, it is the least harmful to real life humans and I want the 32 billion ball and chain for the GOP. Just this staggering monument to stupid. Plus I want to see the concept drawings for the see through wall.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23713 Posts
January 18 2018 15:26 GMT
#194372
On January 19 2018 00:21 Plansix wrote:
I’m slowing coming around on the wall. Of all the Trump plans, it is the least harmful to real life humans and I want the 32 billion ball and chain for the GOP. Just this staggering monument to stupid. Plus I want to see the concept drawings for the see through wall.


Pretty sure best case scenario (meaning he get's the most he can) is essentially the same as what Democrats have been pitching for years.

That said, it'll be seen as a colossal waste by Dems and "better than nothing" from Republicans.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43676 Posts
January 18 2018 15:26 GMT
#194373
I just pray that the cartels don't realize that their bottleneck on the trebuchet assault on this nation is their insistence on only using bags of heroin as projectiles. Just imagine the casualty figures if they start using rocks.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-18 15:30:10
January 18 2018 15:28 GMT
#194374
On January 19 2018 00:21 Plansix wrote:
I’m slowing coming around on the wall. Of all the Trump plans, it is the least harmful to real life humans and I want the 32 billion ball and chain for the GOP. Just this staggering monument to stupid. Plus I want to see the concept drawings for the see through wall.


Isn't the wall, if built, an ecological disaster?

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mg9eaq/wall-on-mexico-border-would-be-an-ecological-disaster


According to a US Fish and Wildlife Service provisional report released last year, a Trump wall covering the entire 2,000-mile border, with approximately 1,000 feet of developed space on either side,would potentially impact 111 endangered species, 108 species of migratory birds, four wildlife refuges and fish hatcheries, and an unknown number of protected wetlands.


I guess that it's technically not harm to humans, but it seems pretty damaging.
Logo
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 18 2018 15:32 GMT
#194375
On January 19 2018 00:28 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2018 00:21 Plansix wrote:
I’m slowing coming around on the wall. Of all the Trump plans, it is the least harmful to real life humans and I want the 32 billion ball and chain for the GOP. Just this staggering monument to stupid. Plus I want to see the concept drawings for the see through wall.


Isn't the wall, if built, an ecological disaster?

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mg9eaq/wall-on-mexico-border-would-be-an-ecological-disaster

Show nested quote +

According to a US Fish and Wildlife Service provisional report released last year, a Trump wall covering the entire 2,000-mile border, with approximately 1,000 feet of developed space on either side,would potentially impact 111 endangered species, 108 species of migratory birds, four wildlife refuges and fish hatcheries, and an unknown number of protected wetlands.

You see, this where coming from Massachusetts gives me insight into the reality of a project like that and how they pan out. It will never be finished, it might never get started. It will just be this blight on the national budget and a monument to the sunken loss fallacy for years until it is finally put down.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
January 18 2018 15:32 GMT
#194376
On January 19 2018 00:32 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2018 00:28 Logo wrote:
On January 19 2018 00:21 Plansix wrote:
I’m slowing coming around on the wall. Of all the Trump plans, it is the least harmful to real life humans and I want the 32 billion ball and chain for the GOP. Just this staggering monument to stupid. Plus I want to see the concept drawings for the see through wall.


Isn't the wall, if built, an ecological disaster?

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mg9eaq/wall-on-mexico-border-would-be-an-ecological-disaster


According to a US Fish and Wildlife Service provisional report released last year, a Trump wall covering the entire 2,000-mile border, with approximately 1,000 feet of developed space on either side,would potentially impact 111 endangered species, 108 species of migratory birds, four wildlife refuges and fish hatcheries, and an unknown number of protected wetlands.

You see, this where coming from Massachusetts gives me insight into the reality of a project like that and how they pan out. It will never be finished, it might never get started. It will just be this blight on the national budget and a monument to the sunken loss fallacy for years until it is finally put down.


The big dig finished... eventually... kinda...
Logo
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 18 2018 15:34 GMT
#194377
On January 19 2018 00:26 KwarK wrote:
I just pray that the cartels don't realize that their bottleneck on the trebuchet assault on this nation is their insistence on only using bags of heroin as projectiles. Just imagine the casualty figures if they start using rocks.

Or hire engineers to build the most lit trebuchets in human history. And then use rocks. Or old cars.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 18 2018 15:35 GMT
#194378
On January 19 2018 00:32 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2018 00:32 Plansix wrote:
On January 19 2018 00:28 Logo wrote:
On January 19 2018 00:21 Plansix wrote:
I’m slowing coming around on the wall. Of all the Trump plans, it is the least harmful to real life humans and I want the 32 billion ball and chain for the GOP. Just this staggering monument to stupid. Plus I want to see the concept drawings for the see through wall.


Isn't the wall, if built, an ecological disaster?

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mg9eaq/wall-on-mexico-border-would-be-an-ecological-disaster


According to a US Fish and Wildlife Service provisional report released last year, a Trump wall covering the entire 2,000-mile border, with approximately 1,000 feet of developed space on either side,would potentially impact 111 endangered species, 108 species of migratory birds, four wildlife refuges and fish hatcheries, and an unknown number of protected wetlands.

You see, this where coming from Massachusetts gives me insight into the reality of a project like that and how they pan out. It will never be finished, it might never get started. It will just be this blight on the national budget and a monument to the sunken loss fallacy for years until it is finally put down.


The big dig finished... eventually... kinda...

It was one state fighting with itself. And then the big dig killed a couple people. It was a PR nightmare and barely managed to be completed. This will be a fight all the states on the southern border.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7992 Posts
January 18 2018 16:01 GMT
#194379
He should have asked the chinese about that wall business. If their 21,196 km wall couldn't hold Gengis Khan, it's unlikely his plexiglass fence will be enough against the doomtide of mexican rapists coming for white men's coal jobs (I have to make a how to Trump tutorial).
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-18 16:06:56
January 18 2018 16:04 GMT
#194380
On January 19 2018 00:28 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2018 00:21 Plansix wrote:
I’m slowing coming around on the wall. Of all the Trump plans, it is the least harmful to real life humans and I want the 32 billion ball and chain for the GOP. Just this staggering monument to stupid. Plus I want to see the concept drawings for the see through wall.


Isn't the wall, if built, an ecological disaster?

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mg9eaq/wall-on-mexico-border-would-be-an-ecological-disaster

Show nested quote +

According to a US Fish and Wildlife Service provisional report released last year, a Trump wall covering the entire 2,000-mile border, with approximately 1,000 feet of developed space on either side,would potentially impact 111 endangered species, 108 species of migratory birds, four wildlife refuges and fish hatcheries, and an unknown number of protected wetlands.


I guess that it's technically not harm to humans, but it seems pretty damaging.

It would never get completed or even close. This shitty 10% completed wall would just end up being a monument to GOP stupidity.

I can see the political memes now. Dude standing next to the edge of the wall, freely walking by it, with a caption under that says 50 Billion Dollars" or some shit.


Edit: Holy shit I just read about what you guys are on about with this transparency stuff:



Trump went on to say that the wall needs one thing: transparency. “You have to be able to see through it,” he explained. “In other words, if you can’t see through that wall—so it could be a steel wall with openings, but you have to have openings because you have to see what’s on the other side of the wall.”

The wall needs to be see-through, the president continued, because drug dealers may otherwise throw large bags of drugs over the wall to the other side, and hit innocent passers-by. “As horrible as it sounds, when they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don’t see them—they hit you on the head with 60 pounds of stuff? It’s over,” he added. “As crazy as that sounds, you need transparency through that wall. But we have some incredible designs.”


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