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On December 14 2017 10:21 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 10:15 TheTenthDoc wrote:On December 14 2017 10:13 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 10:11 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 14 2017 10:05 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 09:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 14 2017 09:53 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 09:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
You might want to try this yourself. I was objecting to the notion that Rome and Greece weren't/aren't central to concepts of western culture and that you were spreading long deaded propaganda about Egypt. I'm pretty sure that I'm the only one who is following the argument -- and really I should say arguments given how many different points are being thrown at me. And where did I say that Rome and Greece weren't/aren't central concepts of Western culture? There's a very big difference between acknowledging their roles in the formation of Western culture and arguing that they're the pinnacles of Western culture. You need to pay attention to the words that are being used. They matter. Fair enough, I thought you imagined Greece and Rome as the paragon of western culture in their respective times. Who are your better examples? Does this mean you knew slaves didn't build the Pyramids or that's something you just learned today? Sure, I agree that Rome and Greece were the paragons of Western culture in their respective times, but there is a big difference between acknowledging them as such and acknowledging them as being the paragon of Western culture for all times. I really don't know who built the Pyramids. All I know is that Egypt was a slave-oriented society. Well then that's a simple miscommunication on the first part. As to the Pyramids and Egypt, no. Egypt has an incredibly long history, when are you suggesting you "know that Egypt was a slave-oriented society"? I'm presuming that the TheTenthDoc was referring to ancient Egypt. I mean, I was referring to Egypt as a pre-colonial African nation with a suite of large-scale civilization accomplishments. And a better place to live than a lot of the world at the time (or pretty much anywhere else). I didn't realize you were talking about a specific time window when Africa was worse off than the rest of the world as an excuse to say Western civilization is the bestest, silly me. Should have expected it by now. Well, ancient Egypt is really the only Egypt that makes sense in the context of your original post, particularly given that there was really nothing "African" about Egypt other than its location after it went through the ringer of ownership by the Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, and Arabs.
This narrows down the time a bit but I'd still like some more clarification.
Also, when you are saying "slave oriented" that means the same thing as "entirely based and built upon the institution of slavery" right?
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On December 14 2017 10:15 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 10:13 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 10:11 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 14 2017 10:05 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 09:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 14 2017 09:53 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 09:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
You might want to try this yourself. I was objecting to the notion that Rome and Greece weren't/aren't central to concepts of western culture and that you were spreading long deaded propaganda about Egypt. I'm pretty sure that I'm the only one who is following the argument -- and really I should say arguments given how many different points are being thrown at me. And where did I say that Rome and Greece weren't/aren't central concepts of Western culture? There's a very big difference between acknowledging their roles in the formation of Western culture and arguing that they're the pinnacles of Western culture. You need to pay attention to the words that are being used. They matter. Fair enough, I thought you imagined Greece and Rome as the paragon of western culture in their respective times. Who are your better examples? Does this mean you knew slaves didn't build the Pyramids or that's something you just learned today? Sure, I agree that Rome and Greece were the paragons of Western culture in their respective times, but there is a big difference between acknowledging them as such and acknowledging them as being the paragon of Western culture for all times. I really don't know who built the Pyramids. All I know is that Egypt was a slave-oriented society. Well then that's a simple miscommunication on the first part. As to the Pyramids and Egypt, no. Egypt has an incredibly long history, when are you suggesting you "know that Egypt was a slave-oriented society"? I'm presuming that the TheTenthDoc was referring to ancient Egypt. I mean, I was referring to Egypt as a pre-colonial African nation with a suite of large-scale civilization accomplishments. And a better place to live than a lot of the world at the time (or pretty much anywhere else). I didn't realize you were talking about a specific time window when Africa was worse off than the rest of the world as an excuse to say Western civilization is the bestest, silly me. Should have expected it by now.
So you wouldn't have any issue living in say, South Africa, where White farmers are being hunted like cattle thanks to Jacob Zuma and his communist cohorts? Within five years there will either be a mass exodus of Whites from that place or civil war. This will be a litmus test for what Whites have to look forward to world-wide once they inevitably become minorities in their homelands, thanks to forced demographic replacement. That's what happens when your media oulets, academic institutions, and social apparatus in general promotes identity politics for everyone except Whites.
The only question is, how will Leftists preserve their narrative when in this case, Whites are clearly the victims of racism on a mass scale? I reckon they will ignore it entirely.
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In Russia news, this Peter Strzok guy looks like a winner. He headlined Hillary staffer interviews and Michael Flynn interviews ... and texts about the Russia investigation being an insurance policy if his gal doesn’t win the election.
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I don't actually think I can express my opinions on the shit xdaunt has said in the last few pages ("gifted"... fucking hell) without breaking\ my laptop... but... wow.
I really wish there was a block feature, I like a fair portion of the discussion here, but when 3 pages disappear to arguing with a literal white supremacist my blood pressure doesn't do too well trying to sift through it.
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On December 14 2017 10:27 Mohdoo wrote:
Then how did the societies get wiped out? What did they do wrong?
A lot of internal strife (continuous battles between close tribes), but mostly external factors. When suddenly Dutch, Portuguese, French, English, German and Belgian people start strong arming you because they want the largest piece of the pie or want to squeeze out every ounce of resource, you have a problem. They didn't do anything wrong per se, they just got invaded by people with superior military technology.
I mean, come on, how did the US become colonized and all the indigenous people get wiped out, except for a few token ones?
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On December 14 2017 10:32 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I don't actually think I can express my opinions on the shit xdaunt has said in the last few pages ("gifted"... fucking hell) without breaking\ my laptop... but... wow.
I really wish there was a block feature, I like a fair portion of the discussion here, but when 3 pages disappear to arguing with a literal white supremacist my blood pressure doesn't do too well trying to sift through it.
Blocking or banning the kind of trolls that think other ideas are white supremacy would save time and pages of scrolling.
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On December 14 2017 10:19 Uldridge wrote:Also, pre-colonial Africa had a fuckton of thriving societies/kingdoms. It's actually insane what we wiped out. Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 10:17 ShakeN_blake wrote:
Just because this sort of harsh reality triggers you doesn't make it any less true. A cursory glance at Zimbabwe's 20th century history alone vindicates XDaunt's argument:
1) Zimbabwe becomes the "bread-basket of Africa" with the help of White farmers, whom are the most successful
2) Mugabe drives all the Whites out in a violent purge
3) Zimbabwe's economy then collapses beyond repair and earns itself the most worthless currency on our planet.
It's sadly reminiscent of how Josef Stalin purged the Kulaks of Ukraine in what led to the Holodomor, just with a greater emphasis on promoting racial strife versus equity and class warfare. I'm glad Mugabe's finally been ousted from power but the damage has already been done. Fuck off with your shit post colonial bullshit. Why don't you look at everything before a handful of European interests started to fuck it up?
He literally begged the White farmers to come back you fool.
https://qz.com/458137/mugabe-is-asking-back-the-white-farmers-he-chased-away/
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On December 14 2017 10:38 Uldridge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 10:27 Mohdoo wrote:
Then how did the societies get wiped out? What did they do wrong?
A lot of internal strife (continuous battles between close tribes), but mostly external factors. When suddenly Dutch, Portuguese, French, English, German and Belgian people start strong arming you because they want the largest piece of the pie or want to squeeze out every ounce of resource, you have a problem. They didn't do anything wrong per se, they just got invaded by people with superior military technology. I mean, come on, how did the US become colonized and all the indigenous people get wiped out, except for a few token ones?
Depends on who you ask, some may say they were "gifted" by Europeans with new immunities and some of them made good use of them and others didn't.
Just going to say I hope xDaunt inspires more less clever and articulate people who subscribe to similar beliefs, to go ahead make themselves and their beliefs clear.
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You don't need to hope, it has already happened lol
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On December 14 2017 10:32 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I don't actually think I can express my opinions on the shit xdaunt has said in the last few pages ("gifted"... fucking hell) without breaking\ my laptop... but... wow.
I really wish there was a block feature, I like a fair portion of the discussion here, but when 3 pages disappear to arguing with a literal white supremacist my blood pressure doesn't do too well trying to sift through it.
"Gifted" sounds right to me. Through the process of colonial imperialism, Africans were given immediate access to knowledge that took the Europeans centuries upon centuries to accumulate. Contrast what the Africans did with that knowledge to what the Japanese did with it during the nineteenth and twentieth centuries.
Also, I'm going to be charitable and presume that you do in fact like facts. As such, I encourage you to check some of your premises regarding my arguments and what you think you know.
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On December 14 2017 10:30 ShakeN_blake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 10:15 TheTenthDoc wrote:On December 14 2017 10:13 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 10:11 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 14 2017 10:05 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 09:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 14 2017 09:53 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 09:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
You might want to try this yourself. I was objecting to the notion that Rome and Greece weren't/aren't central to concepts of western culture and that you were spreading long deaded propaganda about Egypt. I'm pretty sure that I'm the only one who is following the argument -- and really I should say arguments given how many different points are being thrown at me. And where did I say that Rome and Greece weren't/aren't central concepts of Western culture? There's a very big difference between acknowledging their roles in the formation of Western culture and arguing that they're the pinnacles of Western culture. You need to pay attention to the words that are being used. They matter. Fair enough, I thought you imagined Greece and Rome as the paragon of western culture in their respective times. Who are your better examples? Does this mean you knew slaves didn't build the Pyramids or that's something you just learned today? Sure, I agree that Rome and Greece were the paragons of Western culture in their respective times, but there is a big difference between acknowledging them as such and acknowledging them as being the paragon of Western culture for all times. I really don't know who built the Pyramids. All I know is that Egypt was a slave-oriented society. Well then that's a simple miscommunication on the first part. As to the Pyramids and Egypt, no. Egypt has an incredibly long history, when are you suggesting you "know that Egypt was a slave-oriented society"? I'm presuming that the TheTenthDoc was referring to ancient Egypt. I mean, I was referring to Egypt as a pre-colonial African nation with a suite of large-scale civilization accomplishments. And a better place to live than a lot of the world at the time (or pretty much anywhere else). I didn't realize you were talking about a specific time window when Africa was worse off than the rest of the world as an excuse to say Western civilization is the bestest, silly me. Should have expected it by now. So you wouldn't have any issue living in say, South Africa, where White farmers are being hunted like cattle thanks to Jacob Zuma and his communist cohorts? Within five years there will either be a mass exodus of Whites from that place or civil war. This will be a litmus test for what Whites have to look forward to world-wide once they inevitably become minorities in their homelands, thanks to forced demographic replacement. That's what happens when your media oulets, academic institutions, and social apparatus in general promotes identity politics for everyone except Whites. The only question is, how will Leftists preserve their narrative when in this case, Whites are clearly the victims of racism on a mass scale? I reckon they will ignore it entirely. Right, because the situation in South Africa is because blacks just inherently hate whites and will hunt them down if they ever gain power.
And totally not because of centuries of abuse and exploitation.
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On December 14 2017 10:40 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 10:32 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I don't actually think I can express my opinions on the shit xdaunt has said in the last few pages ("gifted"... fucking hell) without breaking\ my laptop... but... wow.
I really wish there was a block feature, I like a fair portion of the discussion here, but when 3 pages disappear to arguing with a literal white supremacist my blood pressure doesn't do too well trying to sift through it. Blocking or banning the kind of trolls that think other ideas are white supremacy would save time and pages of scrolling.
If you want to put this quote in the "other ideas" basket and defend it as such, you are no better.
The Dark Ages were certainly a bad time, too, but the point is that Europe got past them. Africa never did, in spite of being essentially "gifted" with all of the know-how of how to do so during the colonial period. I'm not in favor reestablishing colonialism in Africa because I don't think that you can forcibly "civilize" a people (just look at all of the disasters of American "nation-building"), but it doesn't change the fact that Kipling was onto something with his poem.
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On December 14 2017 10:43 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 10:32 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I don't actually think I can express my opinions on the shit xdaunt has said in the last few pages ("gifted"... fucking hell) without breaking\ my laptop... but... wow.
I really wish there was a block feature, I like a fair portion of the discussion here, but when 3 pages disappear to arguing with a literal white supremacist my blood pressure doesn't do too well trying to sift through it. "Gifted" sounds right to me. Through the process of colonial imperialism, Africans were given immediate access to knowledge that took the Europeans centuries upon centuries to accumulate. Contrast what the Africans did with that knowledge to what the Japanese did with it during the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. Also, I'm going to be charitable and presume that you do in fact like facts. As such, I encourage you to check some of your premises regarding my arguments and what you think you know.
I dont remember the West occupying Japan, enslaving them and dividing their island willy nilly between themselves.
But then my Asian history is alittle spotty.
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On December 14 2017 10:46 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 10:43 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 10:32 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I don't actually think I can express my opinions on the shit xdaunt has said in the last few pages ("gifted"... fucking hell) without breaking\ my laptop... but... wow.
I really wish there was a block feature, I like a fair portion of the discussion here, but when 3 pages disappear to arguing with a literal white supremacist my blood pressure doesn't do too well trying to sift through it. "Gifted" sounds right to me. Through the process of colonial imperialism, Africans were given immediate access to knowledge that took the Europeans centuries upon centuries to accumulate. Contrast what the Africans did with that knowledge to what the Japanese did with it during the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. Also, I'm going to be charitable and presume that you do in fact like facts. As such, I encourage you to check some of your premises regarding my arguments and what you think you know. I dont remember the West occupying Japan, enslaving them and dividing their island willy nilly between themselves. But then my Asian history is alittle spotty.
Actually, I think it can be argued that Japan had it worse than Africa. Sure, Japan escaped immediate occupation during the 19th and early 20th century, during which time it accumulated and employed Western knowledge to enrich and empower itself. But it was utterly destroyed during World War 2, and had to be rebuilt from scratch. Contrast that experience with Colonial Africa, where European nations built its African colonies up from pretty much nothing -- supplying infrastructure, legal institutions, and a developed economy -- and then turned over the keys to the Africans after World War 2, who then promptly squandered what they were given.
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On December 14 2017 10:30 ShakeN_blake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 10:15 TheTenthDoc wrote:On December 14 2017 10:13 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 10:11 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 14 2017 10:05 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 09:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 14 2017 09:53 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 09:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
You might want to try this yourself. I was objecting to the notion that Rome and Greece weren't/aren't central to concepts of western culture and that you were spreading long deaded propaganda about Egypt. I'm pretty sure that I'm the only one who is following the argument -- and really I should say arguments given how many different points are being thrown at me. And where did I say that Rome and Greece weren't/aren't central concepts of Western culture? There's a very big difference between acknowledging their roles in the formation of Western culture and arguing that they're the pinnacles of Western culture. You need to pay attention to the words that are being used. They matter. Fair enough, I thought you imagined Greece and Rome as the paragon of western culture in their respective times. Who are your better examples? Does this mean you knew slaves didn't build the Pyramids or that's something you just learned today? Sure, I agree that Rome and Greece were the paragons of Western culture in their respective times, but there is a big difference between acknowledging them as such and acknowledging them as being the paragon of Western culture for all times. I really don't know who built the Pyramids. All I know is that Egypt was a slave-oriented society. Well then that's a simple miscommunication on the first part. As to the Pyramids and Egypt, no. Egypt has an incredibly long history, when are you suggesting you "know that Egypt was a slave-oriented society"? I'm presuming that the TheTenthDoc was referring to ancient Egypt. I mean, I was referring to Egypt as a pre-colonial African nation with a suite of large-scale civilization accomplishments. And a better place to live than a lot of the world at the time (or pretty much anywhere else). I didn't realize you were talking about a specific time window when Africa was worse off than the rest of the world as an excuse to say Western civilization is the bestest, silly me. Should have expected it by now. So you wouldn't have any issue living in say, South Africa, where White farmers are being hunted like cattle thanks to Jacob Zuma and his communist cohorts? Within five years there will either be a mass exodus of Whites from that place or civil war. This will be a litmus test for what Whites have to look forward to world-wide once they inevitably become minorities in their homelands, thanks to forced demographic replacement. That's what happens when your media oulets, academic institutions, and social apparatus in general promotes identity politics for everyone except Whites. The only question is, how will Leftists preserve their narrative when in this case, Whites are clearly the victims of racism on a mass scale? I reckon they will ignore it entirely.
Mother fucker, do you not know what Apartheid was? Do you understand how hard white people fucked South Africa? Not eve lay long ago.
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On December 14 2017 10:46 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 10:40 Danglars wrote:On December 14 2017 10:32 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I don't actually think I can express my opinions on the shit xdaunt has said in the last few pages ("gifted"... fucking hell) without breaking\ my laptop... but... wow.
I really wish there was a block feature, I like a fair portion of the discussion here, but when 3 pages disappear to arguing with a literal white supremacist my blood pressure doesn't do too well trying to sift through it. Blocking or banning the kind of trolls that think other ideas are white supremacy would save time and pages of scrolling. If you want to put this quote in the "other ideas" basket and defend it as such, you are no better. Show nested quote +The Dark Ages were certainly a bad time, too, but the point is that Europe got past them. Africa never did, in spite of being essentially "gifted" with all of the know-how of how to do so during the colonial period. I'm not in favor reestablishing colonialism in Africa because I don't think that you can forcibly "civilize" a people (just look at all of the disasters of American "nation-building"), but it doesn't change the fact that Kipling was onto something with his poem.
This is really your stopping off place for white supremacy? An opinion on civilizational low points between locations? It’s a wonder you think anything is worthy of debate, or that you’d survive in society thinking so many are practically Nazis surrounding you. But this does illustrate internet tough guy memes, when you actually behave less absurd in your own bubble.
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On December 14 2017 10:31 Danglars wrote:https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/940973190637113345In Russia news, this Peter Strzok guy looks like a winner. He headlined Hillary staffer interviews and Michael Flynn interviews ... and texts about the Russia investigation being an insurance policy if his gal doesn’t win the election.
There was a reason he was fired. The interviews he did will likely be worthless. But if that one agent can tank the investigation, it never had legs anyways.
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On December 14 2017 10:50 xDaunt wrote:
Actually, I think it can be argued that Japan had it worse than Africa. Sure, Japan escaped immediate occupation during the 19th and early 20th century, during which time it accumulated and employed Western knowledge to enrich and empower itself. But it was utterly destroyed during World War 2, and had to be rebuilt from scratch. Contrast that experience with Colonial Africa, where European nations built its African colonies up from pretty much nothing -- supplying infrastructure, legal institutions, and a developed economy -- and then turned over the keys to the Africans after World War 2, who then promptly squandered what they were given.
I can't believe you're saying this. I. Just. Can't. Believe. It.
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On December 14 2017 10:53 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 10:46 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On December 14 2017 10:40 Danglars wrote:On December 14 2017 10:32 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I don't actually think I can express my opinions on the shit xdaunt has said in the last few pages ("gifted"... fucking hell) without breaking\ my laptop... but... wow.
I really wish there was a block feature, I like a fair portion of the discussion here, but when 3 pages disappear to arguing with a literal white supremacist my blood pressure doesn't do too well trying to sift through it. Blocking or banning the kind of trolls that think other ideas are white supremacy would save time and pages of scrolling. If you want to put this quote in the "other ideas" basket and defend it as such, you are no better. The Dark Ages were certainly a bad time, too, but the point is that Europe got past them. Africa never did, in spite of being essentially "gifted" with all of the know-how of how to do so during the colonial period. I'm not in favor reestablishing colonialism in Africa because I don't think that you can forcibly "civilize" a people (just look at all of the disasters of American "nation-building"), but it doesn't change the fact that Kipling was onto something with his poem. This is really your stopping off place for white supremacy? An opinion on civilizational low points between locations? It’s a wonder you think anything is worthy of debate, or that you’d survive in society thinking so many are practically Nazis surrounding you. But this does illustrate internet tough guy memes, when you actually behave less absurd in your own bubble.
Pretty sure people only think two racists constantly visit this thread.
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On December 14 2017 10:55 Uldridge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 10:50 xDaunt wrote:
Actually, I think it can be argued that Japan had it worse than Africa. Sure, Japan escaped immediate occupation during the 19th and early 20th century, during which time it accumulated and employed Western knowledge to enrich and empower itself. But it was utterly destroyed during World War 2, and had to be rebuilt from scratch. Contrast that experience with Colonial Africa, where European nations built its African colonies up from pretty much nothing -- supplying infrastructure, legal institutions, and a developed economy -- and then turned over the keys to the Africans after World War 2, who then promptly squandered what they were given. I can't believe you're saying this. I. Just. Can't. Believe. It.
Xdaunt is a lawyer, not a historian. His understanding of world history has some classic American gaps, which he is demonstrating.
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