|
Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up! NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious. Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action. |
On December 14 2017 09:05 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 08:37 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:29 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:22 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:17 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:13 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 07:19 On_Slaught wrote:On December 14 2017 06:44 Nevuk wrote:
also from deep in the twitter sphere :
"Some very fine people on both sides." Again: Racist in the US long ago adopted the topic secret super power of saying they were not really racists. Western Culture is the new States Rights, which was the new White Man’s Burden. A quick look at the current state of post-colonial Africa suggests that Kipling may have had a point. At this point this post by you doesn’t even shock me. And if we hadn’t spent well over 200 years fucking with Africa, I might agree. But imperialism leaves it mark. So how would you explain away the shittiness of pre-colonial Africa? Its fucking super hot there and its hard to grow crops. The same with some regions of North America pre colonies, except harsh winters were the real killer. Civilizations advanced at different rates depending on the environment they existed in. That super dope regions where Greece and Rome started, prime early civilization real estate. That land by the river in Egypt, also prime early civilization real estate. On December 14 2017 08:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 14 2017 08:29 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:22 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:17 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:13 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 07:19 On_Slaught wrote:"Some very fine people on both sides." Again: Racist in the US long ago adopted the topic secret super power of saying they were not really racists. Western Culture is the new States Rights, which was the new White Man’s Burden. A quick look at the current state of post-colonial Africa suggests that Kipling may have had a point. At this point this post by you doesn’t even shock me. And if we hadn’t spent well over 200 years fucking with Africa, I might agree. But imperialism leaves it mark. So how would you explain away the shittiness of pre-colonial Africa? Like compared to the Dark Ages of Europe? The dark ages were super shit. People overlook that era and the 20 crusades just to export warlords and assholes to the south. Climate was a constant throughout the good and bad times, so I don't think you're going to find much refuge there for your argument. The Dark Ages were certainly a bad time, too, but the point is that Europe got past them. Africa never did, in spite of being essentially "gifted" with all of the know-how of how to do so during the colonial period. I'm not in favor reestablishing colonialism in Africa because I don't think that you can forcibly "civilize" a people (just look at all of the disasters of American "nation-building"), but it doesn't change the fact that Kipling was onto something with his poem.
The ongoing historical and anthropological theory is that diverse climates and land that would support consistent growing seasons is where early civilizations thrived. There were sections of Africa that could support that, but most that land mass harsh for early humans. The few civilizations that were rolling along got steamrolled by imperial Europe. So they might have gotten there, but the white man fucked it up.
|
On December 14 2017 09:06 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 08:53 TheTenthDoc wrote:On December 14 2017 08:37 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:29 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:22 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:17 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:13 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 07:19 On_Slaught wrote:"Some very fine people on both sides." Again: Racist in the US long ago adopted the topic secret super power of saying they were not really racists. Western Culture is the new States Rights, which was the new White Man’s Burden. A quick look at the current state of post-colonial Africa suggests that Kipling may have had a point. At this point this post by you doesn’t even shock me. And if we hadn’t spent well over 200 years fucking with Africa, I might agree. But imperialism leaves it mark. So how would you explain away the shittiness of pre-colonial Africa? Its fucking super hot there and its hard to grow crops. The same with some regions of North America pre colonies, except harsh winters were the real killer. Civilizations advanced at different rates depending on the environment they existed in. That super dope regions where Greece and Rome started, prime early civilization real estate. That land by the river in Egypt, also prime early civilization real estate. On December 14 2017 08:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 14 2017 08:29 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:22 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:17 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:13 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 07:19 On_Slaught wrote:"Some very fine people on both sides." Again: Racist in the US long ago adopted the topic secret super power of saying they were not really racists. Western Culture is the new States Rights, which was the new White Man’s Burden. A quick look at the current state of post-colonial Africa suggests that Kipling may have had a point. At this point this post by you doesn’t even shock me. And if we hadn’t spent well over 200 years fucking with Africa, I might agree. But imperialism leaves it mark. So how would you explain away the shittiness of pre-colonial Africa? Like compared to the Dark Ages of Europe? The dark ages were super shit. People overlook that era and the 20 crusades just to export warlords and assholes to the south. I don't think xDaunt thinks Egypt counts as Africa. That or he doesn't believe the Code of Hammurabi was a big deal. Do you really want to rely upon dictatorial states that were entirely based and built upon the institution of slavery for your rebuttal?
You mean Greece and Rome?
|
On December 14 2017 09:09 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 09:06 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:53 TheTenthDoc wrote:On December 14 2017 08:37 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:29 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:22 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:17 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:13 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 07:19 On_Slaught wrote:"Some very fine people on both sides." Again: Racist in the US long ago adopted the topic secret super power of saying they were not really racists. Western Culture is the new States Rights, which was the new White Man’s Burden. A quick look at the current state of post-colonial Africa suggests that Kipling may have had a point. At this point this post by you doesn’t even shock me. And if we hadn’t spent well over 200 years fucking with Africa, I might agree. But imperialism leaves it mark. So how would you explain away the shittiness of pre-colonial Africa? Its fucking super hot there and its hard to grow crops. The same with some regions of North America pre colonies, except harsh winters were the real killer. Civilizations advanced at different rates depending on the environment they existed in. That super dope regions where Greece and Rome started, prime early civilization real estate. That land by the river in Egypt, also prime early civilization real estate. On December 14 2017 08:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 14 2017 08:29 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:22 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:17 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:13 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 07:19 On_Slaught wrote:
[quote]
"Some very fine people on both sides." Again: Racist in the US long ago adopted the topic secret super power of saying they were not really racists. Western Culture is the new States Rights, which was the new White Man’s Burden. A quick look at the current state of post-colonial Africa suggests that Kipling may have had a point. At this point this post by you doesn’t even shock me. And if we hadn’t spent well over 200 years fucking with Africa, I might agree. But imperialism leaves it mark. So how would you explain away the shittiness of pre-colonial Africa? Like compared to the Dark Ages of Europe? The dark ages were super shit. People overlook that era and the 20 crusades just to export warlords and assholes to the south. I don't think xDaunt thinks Egypt counts as Africa. That or he doesn't believe the Code of Hammurabi was a big deal. Do you really want to rely upon dictatorial states that were entirely based and built upon the institution of slavery for your rebuttal? Buddy I got to let you know about these people called kings and Caesars.
Good thing no one is holding up Rome or the kingdoms of medieval Europe as paragons of Western civilization!
|
Western culture: whatever Euro-American stuff can be conveniently white washed at any given time.
|
On December 14 2017 09:18 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 09:09 Sermokala wrote:On December 14 2017 09:06 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:53 TheTenthDoc wrote:On December 14 2017 08:37 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:29 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:22 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:17 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:13 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 07:19 On_Slaught wrote:
[quote]
"Some very fine people on both sides." Again: Racist in the US long ago adopted the topic secret super power of saying they were not really racists. Western Culture is the new States Rights, which was the new White Man’s Burden. A quick look at the current state of post-colonial Africa suggests that Kipling may have had a point. At this point this post by you doesn’t even shock me. And if we hadn’t spent well over 200 years fucking with Africa, I might agree. But imperialism leaves it mark. So how would you explain away the shittiness of pre-colonial Africa? Its fucking super hot there and its hard to grow crops. The same with some regions of North America pre colonies, except harsh winters were the real killer. Civilizations advanced at different rates depending on the environment they existed in. That super dope regions where Greece and Rome started, prime early civilization real estate. That land by the river in Egypt, also prime early civilization real estate. On December 14 2017 08:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 14 2017 08:29 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:22 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:17 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:13 Plansix wrote:
[quote]
Again: Racist in the US long ago adopted the topic secret super power of saying they were not really racists. Western Culture is the new States Rights, which was the new White Man’s Burden. A quick look at the current state of post-colonial Africa suggests that Kipling may have had a point. At this point this post by you doesn’t even shock me. And if we hadn’t spent well over 200 years fucking with Africa, I might agree. But imperialism leaves it mark. So how would you explain away the shittiness of pre-colonial Africa? Like compared to the Dark Ages of Europe? The dark ages were super shit. People overlook that era and the 20 crusades just to export warlords and assholes to the south. I don't think xDaunt thinks Egypt counts as Africa. That or he doesn't believe the Code of Hammurabi was a big deal. Do you really want to rely upon dictatorial states that were entirely based and built upon the institution of slavery for your rebuttal? Buddy I got to let you know about these people called kings and Caesars. Good thing no one is holding up Rome or the kingdoms of medieval Europe as paragons of Western civilization!
Except Western Civilization...
We all know the Pyramids weren't built by slaves (or Jews) right?
|
Its pretty well established that Europe was gifted with winning the evolution lottery by getting Prime domesticated animals. Horses are superior to Zebras and lamas. This made their crop selection better as potatoes and wheat were easier to produce when you have beasts of burden instead of relying on labor intensive rice crops.
So blame evolution for racism. checkmate atheists.
|
The fuck is going on here.
XDaunt is on a roll today.
"All the problems in Africa are because black people suck at everything"
"White men gave them the solutions to their dark age problems during colonisation, but since they are stupid black people, when the white men left, they got back to the dark ages."
Seriously. What is this shit. You should read some stuff about africa during colonisation. That shit that xDaunt is saying is utterly disgusting.
|
On December 14 2017 09:18 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 09:09 Sermokala wrote:On December 14 2017 09:06 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:53 TheTenthDoc wrote:On December 14 2017 08:37 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:29 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:22 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:17 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:13 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 07:19 On_Slaught wrote:
[quote]
"Some very fine people on both sides." Again: Racist in the US long ago adopted the topic secret super power of saying they were not really racists. Western Culture is the new States Rights, which was the new White Man’s Burden. A quick look at the current state of post-colonial Africa suggests that Kipling may have had a point. At this point this post by you doesn’t even shock me. And if we hadn’t spent well over 200 years fucking with Africa, I might agree. But imperialism leaves it mark. So how would you explain away the shittiness of pre-colonial Africa? Its fucking super hot there and its hard to grow crops. The same with some regions of North America pre colonies, except harsh winters were the real killer. Civilizations advanced at different rates depending on the environment they existed in. That super dope regions where Greece and Rome started, prime early civilization real estate. That land by the river in Egypt, also prime early civilization real estate. On December 14 2017 08:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 14 2017 08:29 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:22 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:17 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:13 Plansix wrote:
[quote]
Again: Racist in the US long ago adopted the topic secret super power of saying they were not really racists. Western Culture is the new States Rights, which was the new White Man’s Burden. A quick look at the current state of post-colonial Africa suggests that Kipling may have had a point. At this point this post by you doesn’t even shock me. And if we hadn’t spent well over 200 years fucking with Africa, I might agree. But imperialism leaves it mark. So how would you explain away the shittiness of pre-colonial Africa? Like compared to the Dark Ages of Europe? The dark ages were super shit. People overlook that era and the 20 crusades just to export warlords and assholes to the south. I don't think xDaunt thinks Egypt counts as Africa. That or he doesn't believe the Code of Hammurabi was a big deal. Do you really want to rely upon dictatorial states that were entirely based and built upon the institution of slavery for your rebuttal? Buddy I got to let you know about these people called kings and Caesars. Good thing no one is holding up Rome or the kingdoms of medieval Europe as paragons of Western civilization!
Buddy man. We really really do. The adaptive culture that allowed us to capitalist on Chinese advancements as they came over the silk road and the ancient writings that the Romans held during the dark ages to spark the Renaissance is all Rome all the time.
|
On December 14 2017 09:20 Simberto wrote:
The fuck is going on here.
XDaunt is on a roll today.
"All the problems in Africa are because black people suck at everything"
"White men gave them the solutions to their dark age problems during colonisation, but since they are stupid black people, when the white men left, they got back to the dark ages."
Seriously. What is this shit. You should read some stuff about africa during colonisation. That shit that xDaunt is saying is utterly disgusting.
I think it would be more obvious for people if he were doing this historical revisionism (a euphemism at best) with the Holocaust. But yeah, it's thoroughly repugnant.
|
On December 14 2017 09:20 Simberto wrote:
The fuck is going on here.
XDaunt is on a roll today.
"All the problems in Africa are because black people suck at everything"
"White men gave them the solutions to their dark age problems during colonisation, but since they are stupid black people, when the white men left, they got back to the dark ages."
Seriously. What is this shit. You should read some stuff about africa during colonisation. That shit that xDaunt is saying is utterly disgusting.
What else is new? I mostly read it because I like to know how racists how racists delude themselves. Mostly with wildly inaccurate history. Like calling Egypt a dictatorship when the concept of a dictatorship didn't exist yet. Good stuff.
|
On December 14 2017 09:23 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 09:20 Simberto wrote:
The fuck is going on here.
XDaunt is on a roll today.
"All the problems in Africa are because black people suck at everything"
"White men gave them the solutions to their dark age problems during colonisation, but since they are stupid black people, when the white men left, they got back to the dark ages."
Seriously. What is this shit. You should read some stuff about africa during colonisation. That shit that xDaunt is saying is utterly disgusting. What else is new? I mostly read it because I like to know how racists how racists delude themselves. Mostly with wildly inaccurate history. Like calling Egypt a dictatorship when the concept of a dictatorship didn't exist yet. Good stuff.
How would you describe Ancient Egypt's form of government?
|
|
|
On December 14 2017 09:20 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 09:18 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 09:09 Sermokala wrote:On December 14 2017 09:06 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:53 TheTenthDoc wrote:On December 14 2017 08:37 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:29 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:22 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:17 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:13 Plansix wrote:
[quote]
Again: Racist in the US long ago adopted the topic secret super power of saying they were not really racists. Western Culture is the new States Rights, which was the new White Man’s Burden. A quick look at the current state of post-colonial Africa suggests that Kipling may have had a point. At this point this post by you doesn’t even shock me. And if we hadn’t spent well over 200 years fucking with Africa, I might agree. But imperialism leaves it mark. So how would you explain away the shittiness of pre-colonial Africa? Its fucking super hot there and its hard to grow crops. The same with some regions of North America pre colonies, except harsh winters were the real killer. Civilizations advanced at different rates depending on the environment they existed in. That super dope regions where Greece and Rome started, prime early civilization real estate. That land by the river in Egypt, also prime early civilization real estate. On December 14 2017 08:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 14 2017 08:29 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:22 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:17 xDaunt wrote:
[quote]
A quick look at the current state of post-colonial Africa suggests that Kipling may have had a point. At this point this post by you doesn’t even shock me. And if we hadn’t spent well over 200 years fucking with Africa, I might agree. But imperialism leaves it mark. So how would you explain away the shittiness of pre-colonial Africa? Like compared to the Dark Ages of Europe? The dark ages were super shit. People overlook that era and the 20 crusades just to export warlords and assholes to the south. I don't think xDaunt thinks Egypt counts as Africa. That or he doesn't believe the Code of Hammurabi was a big deal. Do you really want to rely upon dictatorial states that were entirely based and built upon the institution of slavery for your rebuttal? Buddy I got to let you know about these people called kings and Caesars. Good thing no one is holding up Rome or the kingdoms of medieval Europe as paragons of Western civilization! Except Western Civilization... We all know the Pyramids weren't built by slaves (or Jews) right?
You know, you need to get over yourself and accept that slavery was pretty much a universal institution globally for most of human history. It was one of the few constants among all cultures globally up until just a few hundred years ago (with few exceptions). So pointing out the West's history of slavery isn't particularly illuminating for the purposes of our current discussion.
|
I'm actually laughing at the comments. Can't believe he's saying these things.
Colonialism was basically a battle between European countries trying to get as much resources out of an area as possible. Oh, we also kind of drew the borders at their expense. Let's divide Africa with lottery tickets and reap what you can!
Who knows what would've happened if we'd left them alone. Alas, at the time they were too technologically disadvantaged to cope with the invasion of Europe.
I guess this is kind of what the European drive was though: competition between nations. In Africa you have so much space and such a wealth or resources at some parts that it's not needed to compete with other nations, trying to get ahead. When you have 10+ entities on such a small area trying to ... whatever it was they were trying to get, you'll exploit a nation or two for your own gain in those times I guess. Especially when they're "unmanned and uncultured people, right? (last bit was sarcasm, just to clarify lol)
|
Theocratic-Monarchy is the best. I am sure someone has written a better theory. Egypt predates most of the concepts of goverment. Many of the foundations of goverment were created by Greece/Egypt and Rome. Dictatorships are super post enlightenment.
|
United States24757 Posts
On December 13 2017 12:35 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 12:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Prepare for the illegal vote Trump tweet train to leave the station, with a potential smattering of "full birth abortion." He is going to be real mad. Alternately, he might pretend he never endorsed Moore and say this was why he supported Strange. I think that's less likely but he has no shame and anything is possible.
Looks like I was half right.
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/UJxyA1b.png)
Uhhh am I missing something here...?
|
On December 14 2017 09:20 Simberto wrote:
The fuck is going on here.
XDaunt is on a roll today.
"All the problems in Africa are because black people suck at everything"
"White men gave them the solutions to their dark age problems during colonisation, but since they are stupid black people, when the white men left, they got back to the dark ages."
Seriously. What is this shit. You should read some stuff about africa during colonisation. That shit that xDaunt is saying is utterly disgusting.
the usual; you can try using the report system or website feedback if you wish.
|
In other news regarding yesterday's trump Space Policy announcement...
|
On December 14 2017 09:23 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 09:18 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 09:09 Sermokala wrote:On December 14 2017 09:06 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:53 TheTenthDoc wrote:On December 14 2017 08:37 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:29 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:22 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:17 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:13 Plansix wrote:
[quote]
Again: Racist in the US long ago adopted the topic secret super power of saying they were not really racists. Western Culture is the new States Rights, which was the new White Man’s Burden. A quick look at the current state of post-colonial Africa suggests that Kipling may have had a point. At this point this post by you doesn’t even shock me. And if we hadn’t spent well over 200 years fucking with Africa, I might agree. But imperialism leaves it mark. So how would you explain away the shittiness of pre-colonial Africa? Its fucking super hot there and its hard to grow crops. The same with some regions of North America pre colonies, except harsh winters were the real killer. Civilizations advanced at different rates depending on the environment they existed in. That super dope regions where Greece and Rome started, prime early civilization real estate. That land by the river in Egypt, also prime early civilization real estate. On December 14 2017 08:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 14 2017 08:29 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2017 08:22 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2017 08:17 xDaunt wrote:
[quote]
A quick look at the current state of post-colonial Africa suggests that Kipling may have had a point. At this point this post by you doesn’t even shock me. And if we hadn’t spent well over 200 years fucking with Africa, I might agree. But imperialism leaves it mark. So how would you explain away the shittiness of pre-colonial Africa? Like compared to the Dark Ages of Europe? The dark ages were super shit. People overlook that era and the 20 crusades just to export warlords and assholes to the south. I don't think xDaunt thinks Egypt counts as Africa. That or he doesn't believe the Code of Hammurabi was a big deal. Do you really want to rely upon dictatorial states that were entirely based and built upon the institution of slavery for your rebuttal? Buddy I got to let you know about these people called kings and Caesars. Good thing no one is holding up Rome or the kingdoms of medieval Europe as paragons of Western civilization! Buddy man. We really really do. The adaptive culture that allowed us to capitalist on Chinese advancements as they came over the silk road and the ancient writings that the Romans held during the dark ages to spark the Renaissance is all Rome all the time.
For as advanced as Rome was for its time, no one is going to argue that it represents the pinnacle of Western civilization. It was merely a stepping stone for the larger things to come. Humanity has advanced far, far beyond where it was in Rome 2000 years ago. This is why it is ridiculous (as I keep pointing out) to raise as examples all of these pre-industrial societies in rebuttal to my arguments.
|
On December 14 2017 09:32 Uldridge wrote:
I'm actually laughing at the comments. Can't believe he's saying these things.
Colonialism was basically a battle between European countries trying to get as much resources out of an area as possible. Oh, we also kind of drew the borders at their expense. Let's divide Africa with lottery tickets and reap what you can!
Who knows what would've happened if we'd left them alone. Alas, at the time they were too technologically disadvantaged to cope with the invasion of Europe.
I guess this is kind of what the European drive was though: competition between nations. In Africa you have so much space and such a wealth or resources at some parts that it's not needed to compete with other nations, trying to get ahead. When you have 10+ entities on such a small area trying to ... whatever it was they were trying to get, you'll exploit a nation or two for your own gain in those times I guess. Especially when they're "unmanned and uncultured people, right? (last bit was sarcasm, just to clarify lol)
Ok, so our garbage US education system doesn't' teach EU history. Like at all. And we don't talk about how you call went crazy all over Africa and pretty much halted any cultural progress they ever made. So now that "Western Civilization" is the new hotness, people have some WILD theories about how European history happened. Apparently you all went from Rome right to the Enlightenment and the Ottoman Empire didn't exist.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
